yep, one dose in the morning and on workout days one preworkout. That's it for me.Originally posted by Nicolai
so, most of you are just doin 1 dose on non w/o days and 2 on workout days... i have not seen any of ya post weather or not you are throwing any extra creatine in post work out?
I think it's great! ... (especially if you've compared it to bung-swole )... bummer. tried it in grape juice once as well, thought it was fucking awesome... can see where it would be too sweet for people though.i got a bottle of the orange v-12 im sick of already 2 servings were used if anyone is interested pm me the taste is something i cant take
I like to know why you think this. I saw the ingredients. It doesn't look that impressive at all. Looks to me its just to counter V-12 since it seems to be taking some sales away from Swole.Well, for me personally, Swole worked better than V-12, but I have a few friends that like V-12 better. V-12 is basically swole with AKG, so maybe that is the reason some seem to like it better. That being said, at the end of this month Swole v.2 will be out and after checking out its ingredients I think hands down it will be better than V-12.
Umm...I don't think so. Derek went off about people using glycocyamine without a methylating agent yet isomatrix doesn't have one. Syntrax representatives have been caugh over at bb.com posting under several names with the same IP badmouthing V-12 saying it didn't work at all. He calimed that V-12 didn't have a methylating agent but it has Betaine also known as Tri-Methylglycine.Like I said before, Swole works better for me than V-12 does. The new formula will be better by adding GPA and taurine. V-12 doesn't have Glucuronolactone which I find to be a very good addition to swoles ingredient list. Its just a personal preference, plus I don't really like SAN because of their Loaded product, which now has GPA, but no creatine in it, which is really dangerous. Heart problems galore down the line. I think SAN is irresponsible.
Actually I'm not because I saw the trace and what the IP was registered too. THey also thought they could hide by using proxy servers but there are ways around that and we saw that also. But you won't here anyone mentioniong that since both companies sell products on the board. When it happened, people knew it. Now they just deny it. Beleive what you want. You can go read the posts over there and see for yourself. I think the reason was that several people registered under different names with small post counts bashing SAN. So obviously it looked suspicious and proved to be right. Beleive what you want, I know what happened.actually bobo ur dead wrong about people in syntrax posting over at bb.com ,dont believe me ask ryan,.....i too prefer swole over v-12 but some like chocolate other vanilla and some strawberry.. nag was ripped off by san from syntrax and theres a lawsuit pending because of it.(believe me i am familar with the name u were going to drop hes a good guy ).isomatrix is being reformulated to remove the glyco just a fyi....
Actually they say its best used with V-12. Why? They are all insulin mimickers and of course it would work well with creatine.Are you telling me Bobo that GPA doesn't displace creatine in the muscle? Cause I've read the studies that show that it does. I will find them and post them. How do you think your heart is going to react once the creatine is gone or severly depleted? Hey if you feel fine about, more power to you, but I will refrain from using their products. All SAN had to do with Loaded, is either add a little creatine to it or just put on the bottle to take some with it. Simple.
One problem. Glycocyamine does the same exact thing. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but that its nothing new that will increase this product that much. Simple as that. ALA will do the same and is a much better anti-oxidant than all those combined.Creatine Uptake in Isolated Soleus Muscle:
Kinetics and Dependence on Sodium, but not on Insulin
C.A. WILLOTT, M.E. YOUNG, B. LEIGHTON, G.J. KEMP, E.A. BOEHM,
G.K. RADDA and K. CLARKE
Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford, South Parks Road, Oxford, UK
The increased use of creatine by athletes as a dietary supplement to improve their physical performance assumes that increased serum creatine levels will increase intracellular skeletal muscle creatine. Despite this common assumption, skeletal muscle creatine uptake awaits full characterization. Consequently, we have investigated. C-labelled creatine uptake in isolated, incubated rat soleus (type 1) muscle preparations at 37° C. We found that the apparent Km for creatine uptake was 73 μM and the Vmax was 77nmol h gww. Creatine uptake was 82% inhibited by 2mM β-guanidinopropionic acid, the structural analogue of creatine. In addition, a decrease in buffer Na concentration, from 145 to 25mM, reduced the rate of C-labelled creatine uptake by 77%, indicating that uptake is largely Na dependent in soleus muscle. Insulin had no effect on the rate of creatine uptake in vitro. The total creatine content was 34% lower, but the rate of creatine uptake in the presence of 100 μM extracellular creatine was 45% higher, in soleus than in extensor digitorum longus (type II) muscle. However, at 1 mM extracellular creatine, the maximal rate of uptake was not significantly different for the two muscle types, implying that soleus muscle has a lower Km for creatine uptake. We suggest that intracellular creatine levels may play a role in the regulation of skeletal muscle creatine uptake.
This shows GPA is great, when used with extra creatine. I also found a couple of studies showing that GPA with creatine greatly retards certain cancer cell growth, and enhances chemotherapy for cancer. I will post more when I find them.
What was your ? about glycocamine(sp?) again?
The disclaimer is on every bottle just like every prohormone bottle and creatine supplement. Your having tunnel vision here. Plus your assumption about heart problems is completely false anyway so its a moot point.All I'm saying is that SAN could have done a couple of simple things to protect the consumer, but they chose to just worry about the money, customers health be damned.
Its a completely different type bro. Its a voluntary vs. involuntary and thats the most general explanation. You can't just assume GPA will do the same with your heart. Thats a HUGE leap. I don't think they are irresponsible. Every supp company out there does the exact same thing. I've already shown how syntrax does it. If you hold SAN to those standards, hold Syntrax to the same. Thats all I ask.First I never said SAN had a bad rep. I stated my opinion that they are irresponsible. If skeletal muscle can be depleted of creatine then so can cardiac tissue, with use of GPA.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Good debate though, enjoyed it. This is what I love about this board, one can argue with another, without it getting flamy.
I have to go to bed now, hitting the gym at 6am. Thanks for the debate Bobo.