Ralox Saves the Day

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So I upped my TRT to 200mg weekly and my masteron to 400mg weekly the last few weeks.

Woke up about 3 days ago with an insanely burning sensitive left nipple and huge swelling(hello Mr gyno).

Immediately opened my emergency ralox stash and took 120mg that morning and 120mg the next. Today I only took 60mg and the swelling is completely gone and my nip sensitivity is 99% gone.

Getting blood work Thursday to figure out WTF happened. Either my body decided the extra 25mg a week is just too much, or my mast is really test, which is gonna piss me off. I'm on 1.5mg adex weekly so 200mg test a week absolutely should not have done this,.my last bloods had my estrogen slap in the middle of the reference range.

Might have to abuse @Smont and his discount code tbh to get a bottle. I've got a months worth of pharma ralox, but I kinda want to run two months just to kill any ideas of it flaring up again.

AND I can ease my mind and send it out for testing so I can finally trust a RC company on a personal level.

Just venting a little haha... And maybe informative just Incase anyone was looking for anecdotal stuff on how good ralox works for gyno issues, besides all the legit medical studies on its ability to reverse gyno and prevent.
 
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Good post. This is the kind of stuff that scares the crap out of me lol. Also there’s a new Netflix show called Florida man, I’ll probably be starting that one soon.
 

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ive been on ralox for like 4 months now at 30mg trying to control some gyno, I just got off and within a week my gyno actually looks heaps better... like ralox improved it heaps, but i started to feel like i was getting sides for being on far too long, general aches etc... and now it looks much much better
 

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ive been on ralox for like 4 months now at 30mg trying to control some gyno, I just got off and within a week my gyno actually looks heaps better... like ralox improved it heaps, but i started to feel like i was getting sides for being on far too long, general aches etc... and now it looks much much better
Yeah, ralox is a bit of a wonder drug for gyno. Honestly the last time I used it on cycle for about that long, but my body is one giant ache and pain so idk if I did ever get any sides from it hahaha
 

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200mgs of test and 400mgs of mast while running 1.5mgs of adex and that caused a gyno flare like that? That's pretty sensitive.... or something is maybe off. I don't know if it's the AI, the mast or what but that's a bit surprising to me. Glad to hear you knocked it out though!
 

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200mgs of test and 400mgs of mast while running 1.5mgs of adex and that caused a gyno flare like that? That's pretty sensitive.... or something is maybe off. I don't know if it's the AI, the mast or what but that's a bit surprising to me. Glad to hear you knocked it out though!
Exactly what I thought, I figured I'd have crashed my estrogen tbh... Which is why I think my mast might not be mast, which boggles my mind to think about, but who knows.

What sucks is that I won't know for like 2 weeks. Bloods Thursday and results usually ain't available for 5-7 days after
 

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Yea I agree somethings not right, that should NOT have happened with those doses and you're an experienced user so you would no if anything is awry
 
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So I upped my TRT to 200mg weekly and my masteron to 400mg weekly the last few weeks.

Woke up about 3 days ago with an insanely burning sensitive left nipple and huge swelling(hello Mr gyno).

Immediately opened my emergency ralox stash and took 120mg that morning and 120mg the next. Today I only took 60mg and the swelling is completely gone and my nip sensitivity is 99% gone.

Getting blood work Thursday to figure out WTF happened. Either my body decided the extra 25mg a week is just too much, or my mast is really test, which is gonna piss me off. I'm on 1.5mg adex weekly so 200mg test a week absolutely should not have done this,.my last bloods had my estrogen slap in the middle of the reference range.

Might have to abuse @Smont and his discount code tbh to get a bottle. I've got a months worth of pharma ralox, but I kinda want to run two months just to kill any ideas of it flaring up again.

AND I can ease my mind and send it out for testing so I can finally trust a RC company on a personal level.

Just venting a little haha... And maybe informative just Incase anyone was looking for anecdotal stuff on how good ralox works for gyno issues, besides all the legit medical studies on its ability to reverse gyno and prevent.
200 test / 400mast and you have high estrogen?

That's nuts, ralox definitely works. I'm sure you saw at least once when I put up pictures of a gyno flare up I had, actual lumps and I can make them dissappear in about 6 weeks on raloxifene. I haven't had visible gyno In a while now, hope I didn’t just jinx myself. I had to go up to 120mg for the first 2 weeks and 60 for the next 4 weeks last time and it worked like a charm. If I use a 19nor I usually have to Start ralox at the same time. I'm actually on npp right now and decided to keep test at trt/150, eq at 450 and npp at 150 and no problems. It's not a very potent cycle but I'm trying to learn how to use less test and use more e1 for estrogen and so far its working with no ralox and no ai
 
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This is why you always keep non OTC stuff on hand .. real glad it worked for you .. and hopefully you arent taking 600mg of test instead of 200mg like u wanted to.
 

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Exactly what I thought, I figured I'd have crashed my estrogen tbh... Which is why I think my mast might not be mast, which boggles my mind to think about, but who knows.

What sucks is that I won't know for like 2 weeks. Bloods Thursday and results usually ain't available for 5-7 days after
Yeah.. I mean anything is possible but I have to believe something is off here. I wouldn't think you would even need to run adex on that cycle. The fact that you were running it and still had a gyno flare up makes no sense to me. Not saying your gear isn't legit but I would personally be super concerned right now if that happened to me.
 
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I've heard stories of ppl getting gyno after adding primo to there cycle and later on finding out it was testosterone.
 
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Yeah, the Mast really being Test is the most likely culprit, which really sucks. You think you’re taking 400 of Mast and 200 Test and should be a breeze with no issues, but then you find out it’s 600 mg of Test. That would be a UGL that just lost a customer.😡
 

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Yeah, the Mast really being Test is the most likely culprit, which really sucks. You think you’re taking 400 of Mast and 200 Test and should be a breeze with no issues, but then you find out it’s 600 mg of Test. That would be a UGL that just lost a customer.😡
Might lose the whole damn source board to be frank haha... Worst part is that I can't even reliably use it as test because who the **** knows what's in each bottle. And testing the contents is about $120 a pop and that **** ain't worth it
 
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Might lose the whole damn source board to be frank haha... Worst part is that I can't even reliably use it as test because who the **** knows what's in each bottle. And testing the contents is about $120 a pop and that **** ain't worth it
Roidtest has $25 tests that are pretty accurate.

 

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Roidtest has $25 tests that are pretty accurate.

Those are.... Less than accurate for my liking, that and it doesn't tell me concentration of compound either, which is rather important if I was going to use it.

My bloodwork I'm getting will reveal whether or not the mast is test... And with store credit and a sneaky discount code it's only 9 dollars haha
 
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Those are.... Less than accurate for my liking, that and it doesn't tell me concentration of compound either, which is rather important if I was going to use it.

My bloodwork I'm getting will reveal whether or not the mast is test... And with store credit and a sneaky discount code it's only 9 dollars haha
Yep, they don’t show the concentration, so that’s a guessing game you don’t want to have to do, but you’re right the bloodwork will tell you if your estrogen is high, which if it is, I don’t see any way that’s Mast. Man I know it’s frustrating. I’ve ran across Primo that was Test before, but not Mast yet, knock on wood.
 

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Yep, they don’t show the concentration, so that’s a guessing game you don’t want to have to do, but you’re right the bloodwork will tell you if your estrogen is high, which if it is, I don’t see any way that’s Mast. Man I know it’s frustrating. I’ve ran across Primo that was Test before, but not Mast yet, knock on wood.
I'm getting my testosterone done as well, high estrogen could be bunk mast which would be different than a completely different compound and skyrocketed test too.

Right? Usually primo is faked with a little test and a little mast... But fake mast, would you try to fake that with test? It makes no sense to me, test acts completely different. Maybe they mixed up raws?

Who knows, what's even more annoying is that I literally don't get high estrogen symptoms, and I've never gotten that testosterone "high" or whatever you want to call it on cycle so I couldn't really have "felt" it other than suddenly having my nipple explode.

God I'm so pissed. I've gone over 10 fucking years without this **** happening, I've ran grams of gear with zero issue. Hell I've ran Adrol at over 200mg DAILY and never gotten so much as a hint of getting gyno, and Adrol is notorious for dudes getting gyno no matter what they do.
 
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Just remember something, in the case it turns out to be properly dosed but it's teat Instead of mast, I would Contact them and let them know that it tested as testosterone and see what they say. U g l's are testing their stuff from their suppliers initially and then occasionally but they're not testing every single batch that they get. It's very possible That they were sent the wrong raws. Now if they make the situation right and pull the rest of that mast off the market. You know they are good company/person ect. If they don't make the situation correct they keep on selling it without alerting people. Then it's time to blow up the spot lol
 
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That's the only thing I can think of. Test prop in a mast prop vial? I'd be livid 😡
If it was from a pharmaceutical company I'd be livid. If your buying ugl you win some you loose some. A ugl, Even the fancy ones you see online with a website and everything looks proper, It's just some guy making it at his house or a empty apartment somewhere. It's no different then you home brewing your self. I tried to stress this to people and no one seemed to be able to wrap their head around it but a ugl is no different than You, ( Not you in particular but any of us) there is no ugl that's a real laboratory or a real company. I can spend 500 on the stuff needed to home brew and be capable of pumping out the exact same volume of product as any ugl that you have ever heard of. Any of us can. And if our raw supplier sent us the wrong thing and it was mislabeled. We would never know unless we individually tested every single package They sent us every time they sent one.
 

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Just remember something, in the case it turns out to be properly dosed but it's teat Instead of mast, I would Contact them and let them know that it tested as testosterone and see what they say. U g l's are testing their stuff from their suppliers initially and then occasionally but they're not testing every single batch that they get. It's very possible That they were sent the wrong raws. Now if they make the situation right and pull the rest of that mast off the market. You know they are good company/person ect. If they don't make the situation correct they keep on selling it without alerting people. Then it's time to blow up the spot lol
Yeah, that's kinda the plan. The forum I belong to someone is actually sending some mast e to a 3rd party testing vendor from the source I used which is funny. So I'll have bloods and they'll have masspec testing.

It's a pretty open place with a section specifically for stuff like this so that's where I plan to put it for the source to respond.

Idk, a bunch of y'all probably use the place haha
 
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Just remember something, in the case it turns out to be properly dosed but it's teat Instead of mast, I would Contact them and let them know that it tested as testosterone and see what they say. U g l's are testing their stuff from their suppliers initially and then occasionally but they're not testing every single batch that they get. It's very possible That they were sent the wrong raws. Now if they make the situation right and pull the rest of that mast off the market. You know they are good company/person ect. If they don't make the situation correct they keep on selling it without alerting people. Then it's time to blow up the spot lol
Yeah, good advice….it very well could be from the raws, especially if it’s a reputable UGL.
 

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If it was from a pharmaceutical company I'd be livid. If your buying ugl you win some you loose some. A ugl, Even the fancy ones you see online with a website and everything looks proper, It's just some guy making it at his house or a empty apartment somewhere. It's no different then you home brewing your self. I tried to stress this to people and no one seemed to be able to wrap their head around it but a ugl is no different than You, ( Not you in particular but any of us) there is no ugl that's a real laboratory or a real company. I can spend 500 on the stuff needed to home brew and be capable of pumping out the exact same volume of product as any ugl that you have ever heard of. Any of us can. And if our raw supplier sent us the wrong thing and it was mislabeled. We would never know unless we individually tested every single package They sent us every time they sent one.
Hell even a lot of the "pharmaceutical" companies over seas are technically UGLs half the time haha
 
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Yeah, that's kinda the plan. The forum I belong to someone is actually sending some mast e to a 3rd party testing vendor from the source I used which is funny. So I'll have bloods and they'll have masspec testing.

It's a pretty open place with a section specifically for stuff like this so that's where I plan to put it for the source to respond.

Idk, a bunch of y'all probably use the place haha
Probably
Yeah, good advice….it very well could be from the raws, especially if it’s a reputable UGL.
Ya, if someone is supplying to a forum It's highly unlikely they're gonna be screwing around on purpose because they're gonna lose so much money
 

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Probably

Ya, if someone is supplying to a forum It's highly unlikely they're gonna be screwing around on purpose because they're gonna lose so much money

Exactly, and they are reputable, their rep is a bit wonky at times haha but they haven't had any bad testing or bloods yet. Worst part is if they offer a refund, I'm gonna have to make a Bitcoin wallet and then sell it, and then have to do ANOTHER fucking tax document over 400 fucking dollars.

I wouldn't bother if I didn't also have an S corp to deal with and really don't need a little BTC to trigger a fucking audit
 
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Exactly, and they are reputable, their rep is a bit wonky at times haha but they haven't had any bad testing or bloods yet. Worst part is if they offer a refund, I'm gonna have to make a Bitcoin wallet and then sell it, and then have to do ANOTHER fucking tax document over 400 fucking dollars.

I wouldn't bother if I didn't also have an S corp to deal with and really don't need a little BTC to trigger a fucking audit
What they should do is offer you a different product to replace it and send it to you for free
 

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Edit, I should say that's what some other sources do
Honestly the only thing I wanted from them is masteron haha and idk if I want more from them

Unless they'll give me 6 vials of primo for giving me gyno then maybe I'll risk it LOL
 
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Honestly the only thing I wanted from them is masteron haha and idk if I want more from them

Unless they'll give me 6 vials of primo for giving me gyno then maybe I'll risk it LOL
Not to be a dick, but you gave yourself gyno from not monitoring your estrogen via bloodwork on cycle, just like I gave myself gyno from not doing bloodwork on trest 7 alpha ace. Obviously if the mast is test it didn't help.

Also do you actually have gyno? Itching burning nipples are not gyno, gyno is the growth of breast tissue, it's a lump that form and it takes time to form. So if you have a actual lump it had to of started a few weeks back or on a previous cycle.

If you got gyno there will be a semi-solid lump ranging from a pea to sky's the limit.

I saw a gyno removal that came out looking like a fykin hotdog lol
 
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If it makes you feel better, I just recently found out my source who is very reputable had his primo tested by a member here and it was primo, but the anavar on the next batch came out as dbol. Supplier issue. No one's gonna fake var while supplying real primo at the same time knowingly.
 

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Not to be a dick, but you gave yourself gyno from not monitoring your estrogen via bloodwork on cycle, just like I gave myself gyno from not doing bloodwork on trest 7 alpha ace. Obviously if the mast is test it didn't help.

Also do you actually have gyno? Itching burning nipples are not gyno, gyno is the growth of breast tissue, it's a lump that form and it takes time to form. So if you have a actual lump it had to of started a few weeks back or on a previous cycle.

If you got gyno there will be a semi-solid lump ranging from a pea to sky's the limit.

I saw a gyno removal that came out looking like a fykin hotdog lol
I had literally just done blood work and then increase my TRT by 25mg a week and added the mast.

Burning swollen nipple and underlying tissue. I had a very small mass under my nipple that's since gone away, but the tenderness is still moldy present and the swelling is about 95% down... The lump was 100% not there last week. I check all the weird places for lumps and bumps monthly because my family is riddled with cancer LOL

Wasn't really planning on doing more blood work for probably another couple months because 25mg ain't that big a deal and my estrogen was slap in the middle of the range. AND masteron isn't supposed to do this **** lol.

So respectfully, this **** ain't on me.
 

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If it makes you feel better, I just recently found out my source who is very reputable had his primo tested by a member here and it was primo, but the anavar on the next batch came out as dbol. Supplier issue. No one's gonna fake var while supplying real primo at the same time knowingly.
Lol yeah **** does happen... I really do wish that these damn labs would test every new batch. Like come on, don't test your source once a year man.
 
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I had literally just done blood work and then increase my TRT by 25mg a week and added the mast.

Burning swollen nipple and underlying tissue. I had a very small mass under my nipple that's since gone away, but the tenderness is still moldy present and the swelling is about 95% down... The lump was 100% not there last week. I check all the weird places for lumps and bumps monthly because my family is riddled with cancer LOL

Wasn't really planning on doing more blood work for probably another couple months because 25mg ain't that big a deal and my estrogen was slap in the middle of the range. AND masteron isn't supposed to do this **** lol.

So respectfully, this **** ain't on me.
Respectfully, And i'm not arguing with you here i'm just speaking my opinion. Anything you inject into your body is on you. We're injecting illegal drugs into our body and that's on us. You did what you could on your end, bit at the end of the day, were doing illegal things with mostly non pharmaceutical drugs. We are the most responsible because we are choosing to do this
 
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Lol yeah **** does happen... I really do wish that these damn labs would test every new batch. Like come on, don't test your source once a year man.
But that's typically what they do. That's the reason i'm pretty sure i'm gonna start brewing all my own stuff. It's cheaper and I can control everything as long as I check and make sure it's legit
 
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Can you rewind a bit. Everything was fine, you added 25 test and 200 mast and how long before problems started?
 

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Respectfully, And i'm not arguing with you here i'm just speaking my opinion. Anything you inject into your body is on you. We're injecting illegal drugs into our body and that's on us. You did what you could on your end, bit at the end of the day, were doing illegal things with mostly non pharmaceutical drugs. We are the most responsible because we are choosing to do this
I mean I've gotten fake drugs from my local Publix pharmacy AND a CVS gave me underdosed medication once.

I mean on principle I guess I do agree that I am the one purchasing the drugs and using them so it IS technically my fault... But I kinda feel like a girl being told "well if.you didn't wear that skirt...." Haha
 
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Also, if you pick up ralox from MA or any research site, shake the piss out of it between every use. It's liquid and it settles on the bottom. You don't want all the ralox sitting on the bottom while you ingest the other Ingredients
 
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I mean I've gotten fake drugs from my local Publix pharmacy AND a CVS gave me underdosed medication once.

I mean on principle I guess I do agree that I am the one purchasing the drugs and using them so it IS technically my fault... But I kinda feel like a girl being told "well if.you didn't wear that skirt...." Haha
Dude it's 2023, lots of guys and thems were skirts. The other day I saw a hairless albino ape with lipstick and a choke chain Identify as a human and working for joe biden
 

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Honestly the only thing I wanted from them is masteron haha and idk if I want more from them

Unless they'll give me 6 vials of primo for giving me gyno then maybe I'll risk it LOL
If the masteron wasn't legit would you really try their primo? I don't know man... if it were me, I would have already tossed it out and moved on to another source. It's your money and your life though so you do what you want. You can blame the retailer, the manufacturer, etc., but Smont also does have a point... in that we are choosing to use stuff on the black market, therefore we bare some serious risk and responsibility no matter what. It's not like we're walking into Walgreens with a prescription for antibiotics and they're giving us estrogen pills.

Regardless, this stuff happens. I say just be happy you had the right stuff on hand to deal with the situation and move on.
 

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Can you rewind a bit. Everything was fine, you added 25 test and 200 mast and how long before problems started?
Yeah sure,

I Started the mast right after my blood work 5 weeks ago? At 200mg a week, just a little bit to complement the end of my cut whenever that happens.

Well 3 weeks ago I decided to reconstruct my pinning schedule to squeeze in an extra ml of masteron and for ease of measurement increase from 175mg to 200mg test a week, .25ml really is a pain to measure out super accurately when your drawing an additional compound.

A few days ago, or whatever it is now I woke up to an extremely swollen/tender nipple and tissue with a brand new lump.

Once I started ralox that evening it immediately started to get better the next day.

Now today the lump is gone and everything else is also nearly gone.

I am probably the worst person on the planet for keeping track of times/dates so that's about as accurate as I can get
 

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Also, if you pick up ralox from MA or any research site, shake the piss out of it between every use. It's liquid and it settles on the bottom. You don't want all the ralox sitting on the bottom while you ingest the other Ingredients
Good to know
 

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If the masteron wasn't legit would you really try their primo? I don't know man... if it were me, I would have already tossed it out and moved on to another source. It's your money and your life though so you do what you want. You can blame the retailer, the manufacturer, etc., but Smont also does have a point... in that we are choosing to use stuff on the black market, therefore we bare some serious risk and responsibility no matter what. It's not like we're walking into Walgreens with a prescription for antibiotics and they're giving us estrogen pills.

Regardless, this stuff happens. I say just be happy you had the right stuff on hand to deal with the situation and move on.
Fair point haha I probably wouldn't trust their primo.... Also people literally die from receiving wrong and or mislabeled drugs from the pharmacy, I've been given underdosed/wrong meds from two different pharmacies
 

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