Please comment critique my PH stack and else

[Kay]

Hi,
I was planning on stacking the following prohormones on a 28 day cycle (4 weeks).
Nor-Diol : 200mg/day
1-test: 150mg/day
4-AD: 150mg/day

As, i said, its a 4 week cycle, throughout which I will be doing HVT, training each bodypart 2X/week.
I am currently 6 feet, 206 lbs, looking to get up to 215 - 220 lbs by the end of cycle.

Post cycle, was gonna do ZMA, Flaxseed Oil, and tribulus Testiris.

Also, I will be ingesting recomended dosage of Chrysin throughout the cycle.

Nutrition: 250 - 280g Protein/~400g carbs/30-40g fats (low saturated fats)

Please let me know, cause any help will be greatly appreciated, and if you need any more info, ask and I will do my best to put it up ASAP.

 

[Kay]

taking them transdermally

 

[curt2go]

Looks good. You may notice a hard libido crash from doing 19-nor and 1-test that even the 4-ad can't counteract. Other than that its cool. Talk to ya..

 

[skazzel]

You didn't say what your goals are. This looks good if you are cutting. If you are looking for mass, you need to up the 4ad signifigantly (at least 600mg / day).

 

[Kay]

You didn't say what your goals are. This looks good if you are cutting. If you are looking for mass, you need to up the 4ad signifigantly (at least 600mg / day).

I am not sure i know about this, but wont 4 ad just improve water retention? the reason why i have it low is because i want to prevent aromatization?
Will it be hard to gain weight using a low dosage of 4ad? I mean i have nor diol and 1-test, do i neccesarily have to increade my 4ad as well?

 

[skazzel]

Using more 4ad will increase gains significantly and may cause additional water retention. 150mg is very very low though - probably not enough to even really notice. Generally, the low end of 4ad dosing is 300mg/day at the *lowest*. Any water retention will be lost very quickly when your cycle is over.

 

[Kay]

Hi,
I am currently 6 feet, 206 lbs, looking to get up to 215 - 220 lbs by the end of cycle.

 

[Kay]

I was reading curt2go sticky post on dosing and it said that the recomended dosage of 4ad is ~ 375mg/week (HEAVY DOSAGE)

Isn't that enough? i mean does 4ad really provide that much of a anabolic environment. I can up it ot about 350 no big deal, but still?
300mg/day ? I was under the impression that it would be more wise to up the nor-diol as that along with 1-test is the active ingredient of the stack. I just added 4ad to combat libido side effects mostly!

 

[skazzel]

I was reading curt2go sticky post on dosing and it said that the recomended dosage of 4ad is ~ 375mg/week (HEAVY DOSAGE)

Isn't that enough? i mean does 4ad really provide that much of a anabolic environment. I can up it ot about 350 no big deal, but still?
300mg/day ? I was under the impression that it would be more wise to up the nor-diol as that along with 1-test is the active ingredient of the stack. I just added 4ad to combat libido side effects mostly!

The sticky is referring to the dosage for T1-Pro which is a 1-test transdermal with some 4ad thrown in to help with libido/energy. Also, the 350mg / week is the amount *absorbed* - this would be equal to about 700-1000mg applied 4ad.

If your main intention is keeping gains as lean as possible, then keeping the 4ad low isn't a bad idea, but you will ultimately gain more muscle doing more 4ad.

Your current stack will give you just over a gram of 1-test per week (7 * 150 = 1050mg)! This is a lot of 1-test, so you should see good gains in any case. Upping the 4ad might help keep your energy and libido up on the high doses of 1-test.

Personally, I would add in some oral boldione (1,4 andro) to increase appetite and do:

1-test: 150mg / day
4ad: 1g / day
nor-diol: 200mg / day
boldione: 600mg / day

That would be a solid bulking stack.

 

[U of R Man]

Originally posted by skazzel


The sticky is referring to the dosage for T1-Pro which is a 1-test transdermal with some 4ad thrown in to help with libido/energy. Also, the 350mg / week is the amount *absorbed* - this would be equal to about 700-1000mg applied 4ad.

If your main intention is keeping gains as lean as possible, then keeping the 4ad low isn't a bad idea, but you will ultimately gain more muscle doing more 4ad.

Your current stack will give you just over a gram of 1-test per week (7 * 150 = 1050mg)! This is a lot of 1-test, so you should see good gains in any case. Upping the 4ad might help keep your energy and libido up on the high doses of 1-test.

Personally, I would add in some oral boldione (1,4 andro) to increase appetite and do:

1-test: 150mg / day
4ad: 1g / day
nor-diol: 200mg / day
boldione: 600mg / day

That would be a solid bulking stack.

 

I agree that upping your 4ad is going to be a must considering you're taking the Nor-Diol and 1-Test together...This will cause massive labido loss...I'm not sure I'd recommend 1 g a day though...out of curiosity, what is your experience with PH's and Pro-Steroids in the past...it will help to know how much experience you have using them.

 

[Kay]

 

I agree that upping your 4ad is going to be a must considering you're taking the Nor-Diol and 1-Test together...This will cause massive labido loss...I'm not sure I'd recommend 1 g a day though...out of curiosity, what is your experience with PH's and Pro-Steroids in the past...it will help to know how much experience you have using them.

My first PH cycle, i have done extensive research on them.
I am 23.

 

[Kay]

i did nordiol about a year ago, didnt do it right ..... only 2 weeks.
Dont really count that as experience though.