Pick my orals...

[saderboy80]

Have done a few cycles in the past some just ph, or orals. Did them while I was young and stupid.
Have done two legit 12wk cycles both test E.
Any other questions, just ask.

Planning on running TD Trest for 12weeks. Along side MK-677.


I always keep arimidex, nolva, and clomid on hand.

Never been able to find a source for ralox, prami or caber in case of Gyno






Chime in on any ideas for orals or SARMs. Open to suggestions!




Was thinking superdrol 4 wks, break, anavar 4 weeks?

Or superdrol 4wks, break, anavar and epistane 4 weeks???

I can also get some M1T. Kind of been dying to try it as I love superdrol and msten. Sounds like the sides are just too nasty though.

 

[Mathb33]

Why an oral if you’re using trest?!? Why not another quality oil instead that won’t **** you as bad as orals and that’ll probably yield better results anyways

 

[saderboy80]

Why an oral if you’re using trest?!? Why not another quality oil instead that won’t **** you as bad as orals and that’ll probably yield better results anyways

Was thinking just your basic 12 week test cycle with an oral kickstart and oral finisher. But using trest instead of test.


I’m not opposed to other compounds!
I just like how orals make me feel.

 

[Mathb33]

Was thinking just your basic 12 week test cycle with an oral kickstart and oral finisher. But using trest instead of test.


I’m not opposed to other compounds!
I just like how orals make me feel.

I misread I though you typed test + trest ! My bad

 

[saderboy80]

TD Trest 12 week , still trying to figure out orals or other anabolics to add.

 

[Codybenz]

OP what is your goal with this cycle?

 

[saderboy80]

OP what is your goal with this cycle?

Gain as much lean mass as possible, maybe shed a few pounds of body weight too.

So I guess somewhere between recomp & clean bulk

 

[Codybenz]

Gain as much lean mass as possible, maybe shed a few pounds of body weight too.

So I guess somewhere between recomp & clean bulk

Well you aren’t going to shed much body weight on trest lol, you may lose some fat depending on diet but don’t get discouraged if you see the scale moving in the wrong direction.

I am personally not scared of orals as long as I can keep my cholesterol in check. So if I was in your shoes I would kick start with tbol instead of Anavar for 6 weeks the. 2-3 week break and then finish with Superdrol to bust through that end of cycle plateau we hit sometimes. But I would also take cardarine for the lipid profile.

 

[saderboy80]

Bump

 

[saderboy80]

Any takers? Looking for someone to drop some knowledge bombs on me about compounds synergistic to Trest.

 

[saderboy80]

Well you aren’t going to shed much body weight on trest lol, you may lose some fat depending on diet but don’t get discouraged if you see the scale moving in the wrong direction.

I am personally not scared of orals as long as I can keep my cholesterol in check. So if I was in your shoes I would kick start with tbol instead of Anavar for 6 weeks the. 2-3 week break and then finish with Superdrol to bust through that end of cycle plateau we hit sometimes. But I would also take cardarine for the lipid profile.

Thanks for the help! I appreciate it man.

 

[Renew1]

Have done a few cycles in the past some just ph, or orals. Did them while I was young and stupid.
Have done two legit 12wk cycles both test E.
Any other questions, just ask.

Planning on running TD Trest for 12weeks. Along side MK-677.


I always keep arimidex, nolva, and clomid on hand.

Never been able to find a source for ralox, prami or caber in case of Gyno






Chime in on any ideas for orals or SARMs. Open to suggestions!




Was thinking superdrol 4 wks, break, anavar 4 weeks?

Or superdrol 4wks, break, anavar and epistane 4 weeks???

I can also get some M1T. Kind of been dying to try it as I love superdrol and msten. Sounds like the sides are just too nasty though.

Mike has Ralox...

Raloxifene – MA Research Chems

maresearchchems.net

 

[saderboy80]

Mike has Ralox...

Raloxifene – MA Research Chems

maresearchchems.net

Much appreciated, thanks for the link!

 

[Renew1]

Much appreciated, thanks for the link!

Any time, my friend.

 

[Whisky]

Imo epistane is a the perfect bedfellow for trest, epistane has some anti estrogenic properties and trest amoritises heavily.

 

[saderboy80]

Imo epistane is a the perfect bedfellow for trest, epistane has some anti estrogenic properties and trest amoritises heavily.

How long would you run it? Beginning or end of cycle? What dose?

 

[saderboy80]

@DemntedCowboy
@Jinsun
@CroLifter
@valientthor08
@Alchemist11
@ValiantThor08
@AnabolicGuru
@BigT
@Smont
@mixedup

 

[Smont]

If your going to use trest and mk677 together. I would have caber or prami on hand, both van raise prolactin. My last run with td trest I believe made me permanently prone to prolactin and estrogen sides, at least more then I was before using it.

Trest and sd is a great bulking combo, trest and epistane or winny would be more your recomp/lean bulk cycle.

Winny can also help with the prolactin sides to a small degree.

If you use trest, mk677 and sd I would expect you to gain a lot of weight, but one thing that would worry me is sd loves carbs and sd can also mess with blood sugar, mk677 also messes with your blood sugar. I'd drop carbs aon rest days to >30 and take some burberine or a gda on the higher carb training days. When your blood sugar gets out of wack it's a lot easier to gain fat instead of muscle. Learned that the hard way. In 6 weeks I went from visible abs to a huge gut. Cut it back off in 6 more weeks and at the end of all that I probably had less muscle then when I started

 

[Alchemist11]

Yup, I'd do Sdrol, pause for a week and go for Anavar with moderate Epistane dosage

 

[saderboy80]

If your going to use trest and mk677 together. I would have caber or prami on hand, both van raise prolactin. My last run with td trest I believe made me permanently prone to prolactin and estrogen sides, at least more then I was before using it.

Trest and sd is a great bulking combo, trest and epistane or winny would be more your recomp/lean bulk cycle.

Winny can also help with the prolactin sides to a small degree.

If you use trest, mk677 and sd I would expect you to gain a lot of weight, but one thing that would worry me is sd loves carbs and sd can also mess with blood sugar, mk677 also messes with your blood sugar. I'd drop carbs aon rest days to >30 and take some burberine or a gda on the higher carb training days. When your blood sugar gets out of wack it's a lot easier to gain fat instead of muscle. Learned that the hard way. In 6 weeks I went from visible abs to a huge gut. Cut it back off in 6 more weeks and at the end of all that I probably had less muscle then when I started

Damn that sucks!

I’ll see if I can get some caber or prami!

I’m set on GDA’s I have chaos and pain’s predator, extra beriberine and chromium.

Lots of votes for superdrol!

 

[saderboy80]

If your going to use trest and mk677 together. I would have caber or prami on hand, both van raise prolactin. My last run with td trest I believe made me permanently prone to prolactin and estrogen sides, at least more then I was before using it.

Trest and sd is a great bulking combo, trest and epistane or winny would be more your recomp/lean bulk cycle.

Winny can also help with the prolactin sides to a small degree.

If you use trest, mk677 and sd I would expect you to gain a lot of weight, but one thing that would worry me is sd loves carbs and sd can also mess with blood sugar, mk677 also messes with your blood sugar. I'd drop carbs aon rest days to >30 and take some burberine or a gda on the higher carb training days. When your blood sugar gets out of wack it's a lot easier to gain fat instead of muscle. Learned that the hard way. In 6 weeks I went from visible abs to a huge gut. Cut it back off in 6 more weeks and at the end of all that I probably had less muscle then when I started

Damn that sucks!

I’ll see if I can get some caber or prami!

I’m set on GDA’s I have chaos and pain’s predator, extra beriberine and chromium.

Lots of votes for superdrol!

 

[saderboy80]

Yup, I'd do Sdrol, pause for a week and go for Anavar with moderate Epistane dosage

That’s kinda what I’m thinking.
What doses would you run?

 

[saderboy80]

Yup, I'd do Sdrol, pause for a week and go for Anavar with moderate Epistane dosage

That’s kinda what I’m thinking.
What doses would you run?

 

[Alchemist11]

That’s kinda what I’m thinking.
What doses would you run?

It depends how you can tolerate it... Sdrol at 20 mg, Anavar 40-50 mg, Epistane 25-30 mg

 

[saderboy80]

It depends how you can tolerate it... Sdrol at 20 mg, Anavar 40-50 mg, Epistane 25-30 mg

I tolerate sdrol and epistane pretty well. Have never run anavar though.

 

[Alchemist11]

That’s kinda what I’m thinking.
What doses would you run?

It depends how you can tolerate it... Sdrol at 20 mg, Anavar 40-50 mg, Epistane 25-30 mg

I tolerate sdrol and epistane pretty well. Have never run anavar though.

You'll like it

 

[Smont]

I tolerate sdrol and epistane pretty well. Have never run anavar though.

If its pharma var, 40-50mg is great stuff. If you end up with a underdosed ugl or possibly a low dose dbol or anadrol passed off as far, it's a coin toss on what's gonna happen

 

[saderboy80]

If its pharma var, 40-50mg is great stuff. If you end up with a underdosed ugl or possibly a low dose dbol or anadrol passed off as far, it's a coin toss on what's gonna happen

Just PM’d you

 

[Jinsun]

Do you cycle pr bc? If you cycle I would avoid trest or other 19nor's. Just stick to test or dht's. Trest is chemical castration, ie. it was made as "the pill" for men.

Orals ... SD is one of the best recomping aas, if recopm is your goal SD falls nicely in line with that. Var is also a good recomp drug, so as far as orals go, you're gtg. I would skip the trest though.

No idea about your stats. Whats your ffmi?

 

[saderboy80]

Do you cycle pr bc? If you cycle I would avoid trest or other 19nor's. Just stick to test or dht's. Trest is chemical castration, ie. it was made as "the pill" for men.

Orals ... SD is one of the best recomping aas, if recopm is your goal SD falls nicely in line with that. Var is also a good recomp drug, so as far as orals go, you're gtg. I would skip the trest though.

No idea about your stats. Whats your ffmi?

Not sure what you mean by cycle pr bc?

Also what is ffmi? Clearly I’m not up on the acronyms.

What would you replace trest with? Just normal test E?

 

[saderboy80]

Right now my stats are pretty shitty.

All time PR’s:
BP 315
Squat 450
Dead’s 450

Right now:
BP 285
Squat 315
Dead’s 315


I’m 26, 5’10, 185lbs with 15% BF right now.

Done 2 test cycles with PCT in the past and quite a few PH cycles with no pct (dating back to when I was 16).

 

[Jinsun]

Not sure what you mean by cycle pr bc?

Also what is ffmi? Clearly I’m not up on the acronyms.

What would you replace trest with? Just normal test E?

Cycle or blast and cruise ... but it looks like you cycle. So I vote that you don't use trest.

 

[saderboy80]

Cycle or blast and cruise ... but it looks like you cycle. So I vote that you don't use trest.

Yes, I cycle once or twice a year.

 

[ValiantThor08]

I'd like to see M1T ran.

 

[saderboy80]

Cycle or blast and cruise ... but it looks like you cycle. So I vote that you don't use trest.

Why do you vote against Trest?

 

[Jinsun]

Trest is a 19nor. All 19nor's are hard to recover from and are a one way ticket to TRT eventually. Trest particulary has a big impact on spermatogenesis. It was consideres as birth control for men. If you don't care about any of this go ahead and cycle with trest. I am not an expert on it and others might not advise against cycling with it. But most that run it, and love it, here on AM are on TRT, so keep that in mind.

 

[New guy]

I'd like to see M1T ran.

I’ll play devils advocate here and say I agree, it gets a pretty bad rap on here but I was actually just talking with some high level powerlifters who were reminiscing about running m1t and are planning on doing it again. Keep in mind though that they’re the kinda guys who have run halotestin for eight weeks pre contest.... certainly not for everyone so be safe and do what you’re comfortable with

 

[mixedup]

I’ll play devils advocate here and say I agree, it gets a pretty bad rap on here but I was actually just talking with some high level powerlifters who were reminiscing about running m1t and are planning on doing it again. Keep in mind though that they’re the kinda guys who have run halotestin for eight weeks pre contest.... certainly not for everyone so be safe and do what you’re comfortable with

I actually found m1t close to halotestin ton of strength and in my case kept me in my weightclass

 

[Smont]

I actually found m1t close to halotestin ton of strength and in my case kept me in my weightclass

That's how I responded to m1a, super strong, especially dosing pre workout but didn't put on any size

 

[New guy]

@mixedup @Smont that’s partially why I’m curious, I’ve heard a few other people say the same thing but not many. I haven’t seen a legit m1t log in a long time so I think it would be interesting to see given the interest from the OP

 

[Smont]

@mixedup @Smont that’s partially why I’m curious, I’ve heard a few other people say the same thing but not many. I haven’t seen a legit m1t log in a long time so I think it would be interesting to see given the interest from the OP

I find mixed reviews on both of those products. When m1a first came out a lot of ppl were blowing up on it, but, that could be because it was the first thing they took and you can pretty much blow up on anything hormonal your first cycle. Then on the other side I didn't try m1a till I had been taking things on and off for years. My normal walk around weight was 208-210, I've also been a fat 223, but now that I've downsized both fat and muscle a good amount to 195, maybe I would have a different result from m1a.

As far as m1t, I know strength guys that use it the last few weeks before a meet or need to hit a big number. I've heard it makes them hold a lot of water too. On the flipside, the only bodybuilding guys I know that used it, also last few weeks of prep to get a boost in strength and it makes them look better, not bloated at all, similar to what mixedup said comparing to halotestin.

 

[saderboy80]

@mixedup @Smont that’s partially why I’m curious, I’ve heard a few other people say the same thing but not many. I haven’t seen a legit m1t log in a long time so I think it would be interesting to see given the interest from the OP

Definitely interested in trying it out.

 

[saderboy80]

Trest is a 19nor. All 19nor's are hard to recover from and are a one way ticket to TRT eventually. Trest particulary has a big impact on spermatogenesis. It was consideres as birth control for men. If you don't care about any of this go ahead and cycle with trest. I am not an expert on it and others might not advise against cycling with it. But most that run it, and love it, here on AM are on TRT, so keep that in mind.

So what would you recommend? A good old test E cycle with some orals mixed in??

 

[saderboy80]

Damn it’s looking like it’s M-1AD and not M1T

 

[saderboy80]

Damn it’s looking like it’s M-1AD and not M1T

Nevermind I found some

 

[Smont]

Nevermind I found some

So what's your final decision on what your gonna run

 

[Smont]

So what's your final decision on what your gonna run

Assuming m1t is part of it

 

[mixedup]

Nevermind I found some

So what dosage you gonna run it

 

[saderboy80]

Assuming m1t is part of it

I believe test E 500mg/week 1-12wks
M1T 20mg or40mg? 1-4wks
Epistane 60mg/Anavar 50mg 9-12wks

 

[Smont]

So what dosage you gonna run it

Just out of curiosity how high have you gone on m1t?