Phenibut, is there better?

[John Smeton]

Yes I take choline with my Alcar and Piracetam. So take choline when you have a heache. Nice little info

 

[washingtonirvin]

The only thing that gives me pause is the manufacturer. Hi-Tech has had problems with their products being "contaminated." Their erection supplement was yanked from the shelves when it tested to actually contain viagra

I bet that's not all that was yanked...

 

[pacman]

Hmmmm, actually looks interesting but it's not that different from what people have been talking about (ingredients below). The only thing that gives me pause is the manufacturer. Hi-Tech has had problems with their products being "contaminated." Their erection supplement was yanked from the shelves when it tested to actually contain viagra and there were other similar incidents which I can't recall the details of. It wouldn't surprise me if their somitimax was "contaminated" with something pharmaceutical.

I wouldnt be surprised either if there was something else in it. I bought some somatomax on the recommendations of someone on another board. Tried it and it worked well. I slept like a baby and can be really groggy the next morning if you dont sleep atleast 10 hours or so. Also I felt really pumped the next day after a workout compared to without the stuff.

I didnt know about high tech's shady history until I was reading about it after I had tried out somatomax. I bought some phenibute after I read it was the largest ingredient on the somatomax label and it was a lot cheaper than the somatomax. I had used 250-500mg doses of the phenibute for sleep or anxiety and it works real well for that. Didnt notice any "pump" effect the next day after a work out. Also doesnt knock me out as much as somatomax.

I wouldnt be surprised at all if there was something else added in it. It almost seems to work too well to just be what is on the label.

 

[ycomp]

so I tried Phenibut (here name is ноофен but it is the same stuff) for the first time last night... I took 500mg at about 1/2 hr intervals... 3.5g over about 2.5 hours. And all I felt from it was a little dulling of any anxiety... about what 1/2 a drink would do. I do have a strange hangover today where I still feel a little drunk, but it could be from the drinking.

I drank last night more than I had drunk in quite some time. Somehow I continued to drink until 16 drinks (apple juice and jack daniels) [normally I stop around 9 to 12 drinks) and one minute I am fine then I'm completely wasted and can't walk anything close to straight. But really it just felt like effects of one too many drinks.

I started to drink about 4 hours into the phenibut.

So is it normal for some people on first time 3.5g to feel nothing? I tried picamillon about a week ago a couple of times and standard dosages there seemed to work properly for me. (first time on picamilon I was mildly euphoric and in a great mood - felt the same as the elusive mixture of supplements I took a couple times before... elusive because I could only replicate this mild euphoria + great mood about 1 in 3 times - I was taking a lot of GABA - half sublingually + l-theanine + 5 HTP + other stuff like taurine and magnesium/potassium for good measure... but I stopped doing that a long time ago because it wasn't consistent)

btw. I am a bit on the heavy side... 6'3, 245 lbs... about 20 to 25 lbs overweight I'm guessing. picamillon didn't seem to be affected much by body weight (I was taking 100 to 150mg)... but could it be that phenibut is? I was hoping phenibut would be great for me but if 3.5 grams doesn't do anything for me, I'm scared (money wise - it is about $20 for 20 250mg tablets) how much would be required for me to take...

any insights would be appreciated, thanks.

 

[wontstop985]

so I tried Phenibut (here name is ноофен but it is the same stuff) for the first time last night... I took 500mg at about 1/2 hr intervals... 3.5g over about 2.5 hours. And all I felt from it was a little dulling of any anxiety... about what 1/2 a drink would do. I do have a strange hangover today where I still feel a little drunk, but it could be from the drinking.

I drank last night more than I had drunk in quite some time. Somehow I continued to drink until 16 drinks (apple juice and jack daniels) [normally I stop around 9 to 12 drinks) and one minute I am fine then I'm completely wasted and can't walk anything close to straight. But really it just felt like effects of one too many drinks.

I started to drink about 4 hours into the phenibut.

So is it normal for some people on first time 3.5g to feel nothing? I tried picamillon about a week ago a couple of times and standard dosages there seemed to work properly for me. (first time on picamilon I was mildly euphoric and in a great mood - felt the same as the elusive mixture of supplements I took a couple times before... elusive because I could only replicate this mild euphoria + great mood about 1 in 3 times - I was taking a lot of GABA - half sublingually + l-theanine + 5 HTP + other stuff like taurine and magnesium/potassium for good measure... but I stopped doing that a long time ago because it wasn't consistent)

btw. I am a bit on the heavy side... 6'3, 245 lbs... about 20 to 25 lbs overweight I'm guessing. picamillon didn't seem to be affected much by body weight (I was taking 100 to 150mg)... but could it be that phenibut is? I was hoping phenibut would be great for me but if 3.5 grams doesn't do anything for me, I'm scared (money wise - it is about $20 for 20 250mg tablets) how much would be required for me to take...

any insights would be appreciated, thanks.

Take your entire dose on an EMPTY stomach. Wait a good 90 minutes after eating to take the phenibut, then wait a good 30 minutes after taking the phenibut before you eat again. The effects can take a couple hours to kick in, but should be noticeable in less than an hour. And the hang over was from the phenibut

 

[ycomp]

thanks... i started to take it maybe 1 hour or so after eating dinner. Didn't eat anything else that night.

So I should take it all at once I guess. What dose do you recommend I should take? And if I don't notice anything after a period of time, how much more should I take?

 

[Jmaths]

Rhodiola Rosea is more subtle, but definitely helps alleviate stress.

This.

Try valerian root, too.

 

[matthias7]

2.5g??? if you've been taking it for years then okay -- big tolerance.

If not then consider birth place ... was it planet earth?

Thats phenibut to knock out a horse.

 

[matthias7]

This.

Try valerian root, too.

Good answer. Rhodiola is an adaptogen - its about homeostasis not really a sense of calm and well being.

GABBA (unmodified phenibut) has a marginal effect.

 

[Esox Express]

2.5g??? if you've been taking it for years then okay -- big tolerance.

If not then consider birth place ... was it planet earth?

Thats phenibut to knock out a horse.

I think tolerances vary from person to person. I have taken up to 8 grams with positive euphoric effects (a little more mild than an alcohol buzz) and no hangover.

Don't plan on having sex after taking phenibut. Wet noodle.

 

[ycomp]

anyone know if cold tea (I mean if i made tea and let it sit until it was cold) works just as well as hot tea? to "rechage" phenibut?

 

[RAMJAM666]

GHB is better. pheni is stout too

 

[SpeedFreak21]

I use phenibut 4-5 days a week 4 grams a day i try to go mon tues. on wed. off and thurs. fri on and take sat and sun off to rebuild my brain but the two days off or weds. is the worst days ever so tired. One thing i get when im not on them is anxiety like crazy but when im on pheni i get like a vicodin buzz, it helps a lot if i drink pheni with a good energy drink

 

[SpeedFreak21]

Phenibut does kick ass i have been using the Phenibut Primaforce powder all summer just started the capsules what do you think is better? It was my first day for the capsules i think i like the powder better besides the taste

 

[lonewolf0420]

I use phenibut 4-5 days a week 4 grams a day i try to go mon tues. on wed. off and thurs. fri on and take sat and sun off to rebuild my brain but the two days off or weds. is the worst days ever so tired. One thing i get when im not on them is anxiety like crazy but when im on pheni i get like a vicodin buzz, it helps a lot if i drink pheni with a good energy drink

You dose 4gr at once?

I recently started adding 2gr of pheni with my SX. I can't say I notice much from it, but I was a little hesitant to dose higher. Still experimenting with this stuff.

 

[Chops89]

I've tried different dosing methods and the one the only way I really feel the effects is by splitting it into two doses. If I want to take 4 grams I'll do 2 grams first, then wait 2-3 hours and take another 2 grams. I start to really feel it an hour or 2 after the second dose.

 

[ber7923]

i was looking at a post i made on this thread 2 years ago and PHENIBUT IS STILL THE UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP!! yes i've been using it that long at least and this thread is the 1st documented piece that shows how long i've been on. DON'T BE ALARMED you will develop a quick tolerance to it for about the 1st month or so then you will be at that dose for as long as you want to use it. i use 5-6 grams at night and get a nice effect from it-helps me sleep and helped me overcome social phobia as well w/ effexor. ALSO STOPPED PHENIBUT FOR 9-10 MONTHS w/ no problems. no bad benzo withdraw nothing at all and i heard benzo w/d can feel like the world ending. GREAT STUFF!!

I used Phenibut for a few days at 2 grams and it was great the first two days but then tolerance developed. Do you know whether there is a limit to tolerance, meaning beyond a certain point the effects will remain and not have tolerance (even if that means having to take many grams)?

Thanks!

 

[anonanon]

Standardized Kava capsules (for example, NOW brand has 30% kavalactone caps) are great for anti-anxiety/euphoria if you take enough (I actually take about 20 to get "high", like not actually high but pretty nice euphoria.) I didn't really like phenibut because of the rebound effects. Well good luck on your search

 

[Patrick Ewing]

Standardized Kava capsules (for example, NOW brand has 30% kavalactone caps) are great for anti-anxiety/euphoria if you take enough (I actually take about 20 to get "high", like not actually high but pretty nice euphoria.) I didn't really like phenibut because of the rebound effects. Well good luck on your search

Yea, I would recommend kava kava, there is strong extract available that blows away nows brand. It's the strongest extract of of it you can get. It comes in liquid gel caps or a paste. It makes
you really chill, much different than phenibut.

 

[Patrick Ewing]

Btw it's 80% kavalactone. Another thing to try is st Johns wort and ashwagwnda extract. Nice mellow herbs!

 

[Flaw]

Fellas, Fellas... This is what you do. Glutamine is a prime player if you want to increase GABA because it is a precursor to GABA and it also crosses the blood brain barrier. I take glutamine in 5grams because it's often sold in 5 grams for muscle building purposes but 5 grams may be over kill. You can probably start lower. Anyway this is my stack.

5 grams of glutamine
200mg of theanine
1,000mg of GABA

Take this 2-3x a day with about 3-4 hours in between and at some point a surge of relaxation will hit you and mild euphoria. It may take sometimes a day or 2 but keep taking it and you will feel the GABA release. It's nice. Best alternative to phenibut and no hangover, groggyness. Another thing about this stack is your relaxed yet awake. Your not drowsy. Could be from the effect of the theanine. Noticed no side effects like with phenibut. I believe it's because glutamine may actually replenish gaba instead of just releasing it. Check out this article.

http://www.neurogenesis.com/Amino-Acids/glutamine.php

 

[mattikus]

Fellas, Fellas... This is what you do. Glutamine is a prime player if you want to increase GABA because it is a precursor to GABA and it also crosses the blood brain barrier. I take glutamine in 5grams because it's often sold in 5 grams for muscle building purposes but 5 grams may be over kill. You can probably start lower. Anyway this is my stack.

5 grams of glutamine
200mg of theanine
1,000mg of GABA

Take this 2-3x a day with about 3-4 hours in between and at some point a surge of relaxation will hit you and mild euphoria. It may take sometimes a day or 2 but keep taking it and you will feel the GABA release. It's nice. Best alternative to phenibut and no hangover, groggyness. Another thing about this stack is your relaxed yet awake. Your not drowsy. Could be from the effect of the theanine. Noticed no side effects like with phenibut. I believe it's because glutamine may actually replenish gaba instead of just releasing it. Check out this article.

http://www.neurogenesis.com/Amino-Acids/glutamine.php

Interesting. I figured it would make you very tired, theanine always makes me pretty relaxed, same with GABA usually.

 

[Flaw]

Interesting. I figured it would make you very tired, theanine always makes me pretty relaxed, same with GABA usually.

First time I ever took glutamine alone I actually got a very relaxed/euphoric feeling come over me. It wasn't till I researched it later that I realized what it's purpose was. People think of it as a muscle builder but it's far more then that. It can also replace glucose for energy in times of need. I've never noticed it's made me tired even when it's made me relaxed. I've noticed probably energy plus relaxed on glutamine alone. The synergistic effects of adding theanine and gaba will enhance the GABA release. When you have a strong GABA buzz it's hard to get to bed sometimes. Your soaking up the euphoric feeling. When you come down you sleep like a rock

 

[coolbreeze]

A great herb to take with phenibut is kanna. Kanna really is worth trying out. I only found one product that combines them: U4EA by Pure Life. Its better than just plain phenibut.

 

[RenegadeRows]

Phenibut is too dose dependant.

I could dose 2 teaspoons one day and just feel relaxed and energetic, and dose 2 teaspoons another day and fall asleep.

Dunno how people compare it to Benzos though.

I have a wild friend who I told Phenibut about.

He took a really big dose (had to be 5+ grams). Said he felt amazing for a few hours, then got violently ill, and could not even walk or talk.

 

[purebred]

First time I ever took glutamine alone I actually got a very relaxed/euphoric feeling come over me. It wasn't till I researched it later that I realized what it's purpose was. People think of it as a muscle builder but it's far more then that. It can also replace glucose for energy in times of need. I've never noticed it's made me tired even when it's made me relaxed. I've noticed probably energy plus relaxed on glutamine alone. The synergistic effects of adding theanine and gaba will enhance the GABA release. When you have a strong GABA buzz it's hard to get to bed sometimes. Your soaking up the euphoric feeling. When you come down you sleep like a rock

I have Source Naturals' L-Theanine (200mg tabs) and GABA Calm (which are sublingual tabs). However, I've noticed folks dosing GABA at much higher amounts than GABA Calm offers (125mg per tab). Even considering the sublingual delivery, I can't help but doubt it's efficacy, even if I'm combining it with the L-Theanine tabs.

It'd probably be a better idea to go with a higher dosed product, no?

 

[Flaw]

I have Source Naturals' L-Theanine (200mg tabs) and GABA Calm (which are sublingual tabs). However, I've noticed folks dosing GABA at much higher amounts than GABA Calm offers (125mg per tab). Even considering the sublingual delivery, I can't help but doubt it's efficacy, even if I'm combining it with the L-Theanine tabs.

It'd probably be a better idea to go with a higher dosed product, no?

Try combing it with 5 grams of glutamine and see what happens. I used to take those tabs your talking about. The effects were very mild. The GABA dose is too low to do anything. Most likely you will feel a effect from the other ingredients in there. I just take the extra 1,000mg of GABA for the synergistic effect. I don't actually know if it does anything. I've never dosed 200mg of theanine and glutamine alone.

 

[purebred]

I just take the extra 1,000mg of GABA for the synergistic effect. I don't actually know if it does anything. I've never dosed 200mg of theanine and glutamine alone.

something to try out then! thanks for the rest of the feedback

 

[goonstopher]

Is there anything better thats legal, for having a sense of well being?

Define Legal?

The analogue act made gbl illegal but 1'4 Butanediol was not included in the act as was shown in the 1999 NY trial.

It is best not to over use it without liver support but it is much stronger than phen.

 

[jgassen15]

i've had some good luck with rhodiola rosea, as well as the combination of epimedium and forskholii, pardon the misspelling. i'd say 5htp would be good for mellowing out, but i took SSRIs when I was younger, and that's definitely not the type of mellow I like... i heard in parts of the pacific kava replaces alcohol comsumption completely for a lot of people

 

[Cyplex]

If you have an addictive personality I would stay far away from both phenibut and kratom, the withdrawal symptoms are real bad.

I would recommend ashwagandha, Rhodiola Rosea, Bacopa monnieri or kanna.

 

[mav6]

Biotest's Z12 works great for me, but I think the phGABA is in fact the same ingredient as phenibut.

 

[SupplmentDiva]

Oh my gosh, you just have to be careful with your dosage on Phenibut. It's also habit forming so don't take it every day. Plus, it makes you groggy if you take it straight and lots of it. It's pretty potent man. I would try Mind Release by Mastermind Supplements for anxiety release, and it's also known to repair the brain so I take it three times a week myself and love it. I'm small, so I actually dump out one capsule and take half. Maybe it will work for you too.

 

[chrisuk8]

Flaw

could you please let me know if you still find using glutamine, gaba and theanine useful and have not build up a tolerance yet.

I am planning to do a similar rountine and could use your experience.

Thanks

 

[lonewolf0420]

Theanine is awesome, but you build a tolerance real quick. Kinda like Phenibut. I took 3gr last night, and didn't really feel it. I guess I was relaxed, but the mental relaxation wasn't there.

I've been dosing Gluteamine 15gr daily, divided up in three doses.

 

[mj79]

Just tried Mind Release. Great phenibut product... took my anxiety away without the super drowsy feeling I get from 2-3 g of phenibut on its own.

love it

 

[jumpshot903]

I dont think theres anything better but it depends on the quality of phenibut you get sometimes they vary greatly. The ones i had about a year ago can't remember what brand was phenominal probally the best supplement ive ever taken. Nothing better in my books its bar none.

 

[Flaw]

Flaw

could you please let me know if you still find using glutamine, gaba and theanine useful and have not build up a tolerance yet.

I am planning to do a similar rountine and could use your experience.

Thanks

I do but it's hit and miss and tolerance does build. The best thing to do is probably take a mixture where you feel it's affects but not overwhelmingly. You wanna feel that slight edge taken off your stress levels. In my experience it seems to only be good when taken for a short period of time. Like a month. Use them when your stress levels are really high, in the mean time try to change your life so that when you come off the supplements you can deal better. The problem with a fix is you rely on that and think life will just get better but I've learned that's just not the case. Get into therapy or change the negative triggers in your life on top of supplements/meds.