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So she is actually prescribing you only 60mg/wk to start? What a quack...nothing crazy or dangerous about starting at 100 and seeing what that gets a guy.
Oh yeah she's not too thrilled with us AM forum types, lol. S'ok I'll play her game for a bit.

I'll see what the "clean baseline" at 60mg/week does for the month of May.. test first thing in June, ~60mg did get me to low-normal range before. I'll boost up after that ~100mg test base as suggested, moving from CA to TX in the fall I'll change doc/endo, maybe switch to TRT specialist at that point, depends.

High Test cycles are OK, I tend to like the test base + 2nd'ary anabolic more.

In the meantime, I'm thinking 60mg Test base + Iconic Alpha 7 + Enhanced 3AD for May-June? Those should help cut up after the mini Mecha + 4DHEA blast there. Also, (I think) those shouldn't play with the blood tests she's looking for in June (test levels, hemocrit, etc)? Or I can play it safe, just only TRT, phosphagen creatine (for a month), but I think those should be ok on "cruise"?

I'll ask the Endo too, but with low LH from my pituitary, will having restored T-levels assist there? Or am I just forever low LH now (no cancer, just low LH output).
 
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Using exogenous test will, if anything, lower your LH levels - this is actually what we mean when we say “suppression”. Leutenizing Hormone is your pituitary’s signal to the testes that it’s time to crank out more testosterone.

60mg is certainly better than where you are at now - by all accounts it should help things overall. It won’t require any AI and definitely shouldn’t mess with blood values. It is a remarkably safe dose. And you can get multiple weeks out of one vial (instead of throwing away weekly & opening a new one every time) with that dose, allowing you to save up test for a blast later.

I am just a little disappointed in how sexist this doctor seems.
 
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Yeah old-Asian lady... she has a bit of an Axe to grind on this. Now that you mention it, yeah... sexist might be it.

Well given I've not had a caloric surplus past week on house work / travel / oral surgery.. still up +1.5lbs from last read. Since EVERYTHING is going be banned, might as well get UGL to make /revive classic PH like Mechabol and P-Mag and others from late 1990s early 2000s. I know even on this forum digging back there's some gems that deserve to be revived perhaps.

Makes no sense why Mechabol is working like DMZ/S-drol for me, but my pee is still clearish. Maybe I am doing that much better at hydration (not really) and TUDCA / NAC / CEL cycle assist utilization? Not all alkylated prohormones with methyl group have the same level of hepatoxicity either?
 

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What's good all. Been over on UK Muscle dealing with a small issue with "crashed" Test Prop 150 - from my UK UGL. https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/profile/127873-positiveflow/

I see my old advancedphar.ma (UK reseller of Advancedpharma.de and others) is still running, probably back to there and Acelabs Pro.

Back to the workouts shortly. Bringing family homes (from Sri Lanka before travel gets C19 banned again), house repairs near done.. new job almost secured in Phoenix, and I'll be hitting the Blitz 3D and Iconic Alpha 7 in the morning.

Rowing machine and Body Beat back at it, need to make time to run and play basketball to shed the fat. Maybe hike with the kiddos more, run while they bike..
 
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@Hyde took your advice. Gave myself the extra 60mg bump. Wow it's like a 3/4 days long "house work" painting and furniture making pumps. Total of just 120mg test cyp week 1.. I'll play the 60mg/week game for next 3-4 weeks. Crazy my body missed Test alot even after the Mecha cycle, 😂.

Almost through house repairs (family comes home now from Sri Lanka May 15th, since India is a C19 disaster zone). So switching to more cardio and reps, 30 min high intensity rowing today 13/16 resistance on magnetic fly.

While I'm waiting for TRT labs in June.. cycle update. "New cruise mode"
Iconic Alpha 7 (7-Keto DHEA)
Hi-Tech Dymethazine (Epi-andro)
And Dermacrine
And Test Cyp base, Of course 120mg /60mg/ 60mg /60mg - next 4 weeks... that first "bump" was needed heck with the old asian lady lol.

Need to hit the body beast again, 10 days before fam gets back now how is mostly repaired.. I'll run after the kiddos on bikes, to "shed" the fluff after they get home.
 
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So do you not lift any weights except when your family isn’t living with you?
Well I will now going forward. But honestly the past two years when the kids were 1/3, now 2/4 >> 3/5 years old, post seizure yada yada no i didn't.

Having once been a solid athlete, air force honor grad many moon ago now.. I realize my lifting work ethic here is crap ATM.. lacks the consistency I expect, know is required... Had long talk with the wife and kids about how I would balance career/family/workout life going forward.

It's a work in progress. She gets it now and wants me in shape. But yeah when they find needles along with that bad "domestic RCs" benzos July'18 (that took nearly killed a guy with no health issues prior), kinda get the evil eye of lost credibility - until I had doc ordered TRT now then it's more accepted to be in the house. She realizes now the testosterone was not the issue...

Also compound issues, she was stressed during C19 pandemic in California with wildfires.. add the fact she just got double eye surgery (was mostly blind through 2020) and I was primary bread winner.. two young kids. Now we're passed just about all those issues.

Few more hurdle then I move my cramped CA townhouse gym to large family house in Texas. Yeah then it's friggin, on. Sex room in the gym at night.
 
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Well I will now going forward. But honestly the past two years when the kids were 1/3, now 2/4 >> 3/5 years old, post seizure yada yada no i didn't.

Having once been a solid athlete, air force honor grad many moon ago now.. I realize my lifting work ethic here is crap ATM.. lacks the consistency I expect, know is required... Had long talk with the wife and kids about how I would balance career/family/workout life going forward.

It's a work in progress. She gets it now and wants me in shape. But yeah when they find needles along with that bad "domestic RCs" benzos July'18 (that took nearly killed a guy with no health issues prior), kinda get the evil eye of lost credibility - until I had doc ordered TRT now then it's more accepted to be in the house. She realizes now the testosterone was not the issue...

Also compound issues, she was stressed during C19 pandemic in California with wildfires.. add the fact she just got double eye surgery (was mostly blind through 2020) and I was primary bread winner.. two young kids. Now we're passed just about all those issues.

Few more hurdle then I move my cramped CA townhouse gym to large family house in Texas. Yeah then it's friggin, on. Sex room in the gym at night.
It’s great your wife is now on the same page as you. Taking care of yourself makes you a better husband and father. We can make lifting selfish & overly time-consuming, but it certainly doesn’t have to be.
 
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Well Contractors are downstairs, I'm upstairs just barely made it through (actually hit failure with ~8min left) on Body Best "Tempo Chest" disc.

That's friggin tough pyramiding+ long hold counts 15 @ (6-count up/6-down negative), 12 @ (3-up/6-down negative), 8 (3-count up /3-count down) on all exercises for an hour long session.. low rest between sets. That's one way to hit exhaustion. Low rest, abs and core thrown in between press/flyes sets this way, then triceps at the end.

Tough ish. I like the Tempo disc. Will be focusing on these more, as noted my work capacity and muscle separation are trash now. need to improve.
 
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The weather must be getting better, or folks are getting vaccinated. Quiet on the boards today.
 
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Stats update +2lbs. Just house repair work for week+ and started lift again yesterday.

Just on plain Test Cyp base. Kinda want to finish the nano Mechabol, super happy got hooked up with more of that @Hyde thanks.

That's okay work ethic and time now. I can definitely get a pump and gain some muscle, question.. for a tallish (former skinny) "hard gainer" now actually lose love handles and pooch. Put in the pain to get the muscle definition, drop the tall guy pooch.

I guess it's just having time + support to work as hard as I want/need now and actually do cardio more... And time, even if it's just a couple days some weeks don't stop.. keep at it. Anyone want to sponsor a chef for me,. I'll never get abs again, if I don't cook better 😂.

Really hard for us former basketball/runner types to quit the sugar and carbs. I think I can't / don't need to quit 100%, that never works. Stevia and changing carb ratios, cut back sugar helps.. like changing the fuel/air ratio in an engine.
 

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There’s no such thing as tall guy pooch. Taller guys actually have more frame to hide/disperse bodyfat.

If you want to lose bodyfat, you can’t out-cardio a bad diet. By bad, I mean consuming maintenance or surplus calories, even exclusively of wholesome foods, will still not allow fat loss to occur. And you don’t need even have to do cardio to lose fat (although I strongly recommend it because it helps liberate fat, lets you eat a tad more, and is good for your health).

If you want to lose the pudge, you have to eat a slight caloric deficit over time. All you have to do is consistently NOT do something for an extended period. That’s not always easy, but it’s actually less work than gaining weight. To gain, you must eat more than you currently need. To diet, you just need to be consistent in eating less.
 
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There’s no such thing as tall guy pooch. Taller guys actually have more frame to hide/disperse bodyfat.

If you want to lose bodyfat, you can’t out-cardio a bad diet. By bad, I mean consuming maintenance or surplus calories, even exclusively of wholesome foods, will still not allow fat loss to occur. And you don’t need even have to do cardio to lose fat (although I strongly recommend it because it helps liberate fat, lets you eat a tad more, and is good for your health).

If you want to lose the pudge, you have to eat a slight caloric deficit over time. All you have to do is consistently NOT do something for an extended period. That’s not always easy, but it’s actually less work than gaining weight. To gain, you must eat more than you currently need. To diet, you just need to be consistent in eating less.
 
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There’s no such thing as tall guy pooch. Taller guys actually have more frame to hide/disperse bodyfat.

If you want to lose bodyfat, you can’t out-cardio a bad diet. By bad, I mean consuming maintenance or surplus calories, even exclusively of wholesome foods, will still not allow fat loss to occur. And you don’t need even have to do cardio to lose fat (although I strongly recommend it because it helps liberate fat, lets you eat a tad more, and is good for your health).

If you want to lose the pudge, you have to eat a slight caloric deficit over time. All you have to do is consistently NOT do something for an extended period. That’s not always easy, but it’s actually less work than gaining weight. To gain, you must eat more than you currently need. To diet, you just need to be consistent in eating less.
Makes sense, sage advise "can't out cardio a bad diet" via the ratio Energy IN <> Energy Out for caloric balance, but is there anyway to "target the zones" love handles, lower 4 abs?

You're right, there is no "tall guy pooch" I mean that before I knew how to lift for hypertrophy I was focused on run/jump sports and.. just had abs. By the time I learned to lift for mass more, I already had a decade of poor diet and stress - so while I can SEE definite changes to the male physique with the lifting and can get to say 210lbs / 10-12% BF - just struggling how to "target love handles" and the lower 4-abs? Or really, I'm just flexing fat? And logically I should go play full-court basketball, or start running again a bit to cause the far loss to occur body-wide including the abs, love handles? Correct carbs/calorie balance, then up the cardio to drain off?

I think I just don't get enough cardio + clean (or not so clean) foods with correct energy balance, macros. I notice for sure, when I actually run more (even just hiking, chasing kids) and I cut back on meals a bit, I can lean up the stomach. But the "trouble zones" of the love handles are a new annoyance the former 6-pack abs for no reason guy here never had before.

Since I have a selfie tripod, now I'm actually going to do "body progress" photos I've never really done on there. I think (hope, pray) I can get 3-5 years of consistent transformation work now. Finally have all the base of the pyramid items to do it.

Now that I have TRT base, do I ever need Dermacrine again @thebigt? I've been thinking my cycles are actually way simpler now.

As far as compounds that won't affect what TRT doc checks in June (Test levels, red blood cell count, probably cholesterol again). @Hyde or @Whisky or other TRT-experienced folks, let me know.
>> Iconic Alpha 7 (Androsterone, 7-Keto DHEA).
>> Hi-Tech Pharma Dymethazeine (Epiandro with "azine" bond)
>> Fusion Nano 1-Test,
>> Enhanced F. 3AD
(*having just done Mehcabol for a few weeks, perhaps give methyl PH a rest, though it was low sides* with good TUDCA and NAC dose, water*)

Obviously, things like 4-DHEA or things that convert to test, or affect RBC like Equipoise, etc.. Can't use those.
So - since I'm a.) on TRT now for life b.) just going to use real gear, good methyl PH with supports.

Happy to trade 2x Bottles of Narrows' Labs RAD-140, MK-677 - given my pituitary LH was low not sure it's a good idea to use these anymore. And while RAD-140 is good, I like it, I would rather run other classic gear I've been waiting forever to try (Primo E, Anavar, etc).

Also, have to say liking this new UK UGL - Southern Ghost (he said I could post review TD pics) - check out Sustanon 300 "Ghost+" high concentration, low solvent, line, nice and clear oil. I've waited since like 1999 when I was in the Air Force and said stayed natty. Also getting Primo E touchdown, it's going to be good going forward. Home gym is pretty complete.

And landed a new job, so move to Texas continues - life is good.
 

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Makes sense, sage advise "can't out cardio a bad diet" via the ratio Energy IN <> Energy Out for caloric balance, but is there anyway to "target the zones" love handles, lower 4 abs?

You're right, there is no "tall guy pooch" I mean that before I knew how to lift for hypertrophy I was focused on run/jump sports and.. just had abs. By the time I learned to lift for mass more, I already had a decade of poor diet and stress - so while I can SEE definite changes to the male physique with the lifting and can get to say 210lbs / 10-12% BF - just struggling how to "target love handles" and the lower 4-abs? Or really, I'm just flexing fat? And logically I should go play full-court basketball, or start running again a bit to cause the far loss to occur body-wide including the abs, love handles? Correct carbs/calorie balance, then up the cardio to drain off?

I think I just don't get enough cardio + clean (or not so clean) foods with correct energy balance, macros. I notice for sure, when I actually run more (even just hiking, chasing kids) and I cut back on meals a bit, I can lean up the stomach. But the "trouble zones" of the love handles are a new annoyance the former 6-pack abs for no reason guy here never had before.

Since I have a selfie tripod, now I'm actually going to do "body progress" photos I've never really done on there. I think (hope, pray) I can get 3-5 years of consistent transformation work now. Finally have all the base of the pyramid items to do it.

Now that I have TRT base, do I ever need Dermacrine again @thebigt? I've been thinking my cycles are actually way simpler now.

As far as compounds that won't affect what TRT doc checks in June (Test levels, red blood cell count, probably cholesterol again). @Hyde or @Whisky or other TRT-experienced folks, let me know.
>> Iconic Alpha 7 (Androsterone, 7-Keto DHEA).
>> Hi-Tech Pharma Dymethazeine (Epiandro with "azine" bond)
>> Fusion Nano 1-Test,
>> Enhanced F. 3AD
(*having just done echabol, perhaps give methyl PH a rest, though it was low sides* with good TUDCA and NAC dose, water*)

Obviously, things like 4-DHEA or things that convert to test, or affect RBC like Equipoise, etc.. Can't use those.
So - since I'm a.) on TRT now for life b.) just going to use real gear, good methyl PH with supports.

Happy to trade 2x Bottles of Narrows' Labs RAD-140, MK-677 - given my pituitary LH was low not sure it's a good idea to use these anymore. And while RAD-140 is good, I like it, I would rather run other classic gear I've been waiting forever to try (Primo E, Anavar, etc).

Also, have to say liking this new UK UGL - Southern Ghost (he said I could) - check out Sustanon 300 "Ghost+" high concentration, low solvent, line, nice and clear oil. I've waited since like 1999 when I was in the Air Force and said stayed natty. Also getting Primo E touchdown, it's going to be good going forward. Home gym is pretty complete.

And landed a new job, so move to Texas continues - life is good.
1st off congrats on new job....and to answer your question many guys over the years [including me] have added dermacrine to trt with very nice effect.
 
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1st off congrats on new job....and to answer your question many guys over the years [including me] have added dermacrine to trt with very nice effect.
Thanks! I was just confused as to what to use it for. With TRT I can see myself stocking on alpha 7 or 11, Ultra Epi, Icon 1, etc.

I have 3x tubes of Dermacrine for between cycles, to help recover in PCT - but If I'm on life long TRT is it just used between more hardcore runs? I guess how is it used with TRT?
 
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Here's a fairly reasonable visual guide
Hey @Smont - have you seen this? I think this may be a useful tool. e-scale + Amazon Halo.

New phones have basically can employ Camera + LIDAR-type principles to get 3D data for apps to process. As you note, the visual guide is more accurate, than tape, water-submersion, or relative e-scale results that are consistent, trackable +/- for relative change% (but not central accurate).

This combines that information (3D body composition) paired with Fitbit Oura style body-stats monitoring. All-in-one, but the scary part is the 100% voice monitoring, I'll want that turned off tape over the mic.

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Thanks! I was just confused as to what to use it for. With TRT I can see myself stocking on alpha 7 or 11, Ultra Epi, Icon 1, etc.

I have 3x tubes of Dermacrine for between cycles, to help recover in PCT - but If I'm on life long TRT is it just used between more hardcore runs? I guess how is it used with TRT?
if you are just running the iconic andro's the only one i could see where you might need dermacrine would be icon one, other than that yes, between cycles. but even on trt i would take time off and run sustain alpha in place of dermacrine.
 
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if you are just running the iconic andro's the only one i could see where you might need dermacrine would be icon one, other than that yes, between cycles. but even on trt i would take time off and run sustain alpha in place of dermacrine.
What did you notice using sustain alpha on TRT?
 

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