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Well completed Body Beast "Bulk Chest" disc. And to be honest, Mechabol + 4-DHEA feels great. I'm actually able to lift good weights at pace with Sagi K. and the guys. If you have never done Body Beast discs, if you do it right.

SICK PUMPs. He's an excellent trainer. Bought all the discs, making good progress.

The Mechabol, one drawback with 4-DHEA... Bit wet, will need to shed after this blast. Also @Hyde and @Jinsun thanks for the legit experience/advice here.

@Rocket3015 or anyone, ever try Hi-Tech Phosphagen? I went looking for old EAS Phosphagen and was really impressed by the Hitech evolution of it. Lotsa good reviews on it. I have tried Kaged Muscle brand pure creatine HCL (their patented version)bits better less bloat than monohydrate. I'm going to cycle creatines. I think you can lower the tolerance build up.

EDIT - Phosphagen has a good, flavor but.. bit salty with the sodium creatine or creatine Hcl is also midly salty. Probably should mix this with lemonade or lemon-lime gatorade powder. Their *exotic fruit" flavor is good, but needs a lemon-lime kick to offset saltyness.

Check this. Next post, will be > after Mechabol transition in 3-4 weeks. Good thing, it seems to be low toxicity for a methyl, pee is still clearish with cycle support and TUDCA... I'm used to old M1A or DMZ where your pee is orange by week two, lol.
My pee was brawn from SD in a matter of days.
 
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I have never tried the Hi-Tech Phosphagen, but I also do not respond to creatine, it does nothing for me ????
 
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My pee was brawn from SD in a matter of days.
Woah that's fast, used cycle assist + hydration and what dose?

I have never tried the Hi-Tech Phosphagen, but I also do not respond to creatine, it does nothing for me ????
Ahh - so old school creatine I responded to but then build a tolerance. I've given up on it then came across Creatine HCL by Kaged... this has creatine HCL + Creatine Nitrate + Creatine Phosphate + Disodium Creatines. Gosh darn it they'll get it in there somehow :)

Have you ran through the more absorbable ones? This might be a good start point, getting a shot of all of the better engineered creatines.

Also, just learning about the "guanidinopropionic acid" included - https://www.caymanchem.com/product/16725/3-guanidinopropionic-acid#:~:text=3-Guanidinopropionic acid is a,1α (PGC-1α), "a creatine analog that alters skeletal muscle energy expenditure. It reduces cellular ATP, creatine, and phosphocreatine levels and stimulates AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK), activating PPARγ coactivator 1α (PGC-1α). "

Interesting, first time with this.

Ahh now for the fun - so Mecha + 4 DHEA starting off nice. Say 3-4 more weeks of this (yes still pursuing doc-TRT, but that might be a bit) and then switch to non-methyls.

See attached "cycle bags" VOTE (with explanation) for what to "shed and keep sides low, muscle gains up... post Mecha cycle"?
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Most of these are a 4-DHEA (test base) + second Prohormone.
 

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Here's a fairly reasonable visual guide
Well according into this chart, looks like I'm sitting 18-20% zone, despite the e-scale (precise, but not centrally accurate, skew a few % low but tracks). So thinking 🤔 based on cycle options.

Continue 4-DHEA (test base, until TRT start) and basically go off Mechabol to icon One + Hitech "Dymethazine" (epi-andro 2x with azine) + 3AD from Enhanced or even Alpha Seven? But I generally like to spread out my Iconic stuff with my other cycles.

. And yes I have 3x tubes of Dermacrine when the blast is done and I'm just on TRT for a bit. And Armiplex from Hitech and Estrogenex 2nd gen for PCT.

EDIT - Truth before told I really want to run the Nano 1T and Dacebolin (19-nor) stack with 4-DHEA base. That looks yummy. Sux I only got one of those before Predator/Fusion discontinued them. Well 1x better than none.
 

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I would say the 1-test + 3AD and or epiandro stuff is a good option for the next 6-8 weeks after the 4 weeks of Mechabol to help keep the mass up and continue to promote lean gains with hard training & a slight surplus.

Rad would be a good option too, but actually has better synergy on TRT for reasons like prostate health and competing with estrogen at the breast receptor.

Whether you go the 1-test/Andro route or the Rad route, I would give either a good 8 weeks on either to have time to see some positive physique and strength changes. They are not going to be fast like a methyl; they are longer lower slower options that are probably more health-conscious.
 
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I would say the 1-test + 3AD and or epiandro stuff is a good option for the next 6-8 weeks after the 4 weeks of Mechabol to help keep the mass up and continue to promote lean gains with hard training & a slight surplus.

Rad would be a good option too, but actually has better synergy on TRT for reasons like prostate health and competing with estrogen at the breast receptor.

Whether you go the 1-test/Andro route or the Rad route, I would give either a good 8 weeks on either to have time to see some positive physique and strength changes. They are not going to be fast like a methyl; they are longer lower slower options that are probably more health-conscious.
Bingo, this sounds what I was thinking, " 1-test + 3AD and or epiandro stuff is a good option for the next 6-8 weeks after the 4 weeks of Mechabol..."

Also, Great point about the RAD, saved for TRT. Dang should grab some more and cialis before all these US shops dry up.
 
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Bingo, this sounds what I was thinking, " 1-test + 3AD and or epiandro stuff is a good option for the next 6-8 weeks after the 4 weeks of Mechabol..."

Also, Great point about the RAD, saved for TRT. Dang should grab some more and cialis before all these US shops dry up.
Don’t stockpile. They are never going away. Tadalafil will be around as long as men have penises, and if you can’t get it from a drug dealer illegally it’s given out like candy by a proper doctor in the US for probably an even cheaper copay. If SARMs get too dangerous to be sold as RCs, the ones people want will just continue to be moved by UGLs the way Superdrol and Epistane and such are years later. Superdrol is one of the cheapest orals you can buy underground even.

You will never stop the black market, and if RAD becomes a true human drug at some point it will actually get easier to acquire safely/legitimately.
 
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Don’t stockpile. They are never going away. Tadalafil will be around as long as men have penises, and if you can’t get it from a drug dealer illegally it’s given out like candy by a proper doctor in the US for probably an even cheaper copay. If SARMs get too dangerous to be sold as RCs, the ones people want will just continue to be moved by UGLs the way Superdrol and Epistane and such are years later. Superdrol is one of the cheapest orals you can buy underground even.

You will never stop the black market, and if RAD becomes a true human drug at some point it will actually get easier to acquire safely/legitimately.
Ha Amen - I won't stockpile. How'd ya know :)

Actually for my actual "go-bags" I should actually now get some Test E 300 vials and pins, handy also if ones loses medical coverage for a minute. Aside from a stock of 4-DHEA.

Also anyone more experienced with Hexadrone? I like it, ran it before, but never as solo-base (it's basically 6-chloro-Test). I have a couple bottles of Brawn HexD and should I stack with 4-DHEA as a "test blast" with extra 3AD bottles I have? This would be a non-methyl + high-test base, lean cycle for later I think.
>https://united-nutra.com/blog/what-is-3ad/
 
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The concept of a test best is essentially having some flavor of androstane family hormone that will convert sufficiently at the dose you are using it to requisite estrogen levels for health & proper growth (and function). Not the least of which are kidney, cardiovascular & neurological protections.

Hexadrone is dry - it does not fulfill this aromatization/estrogen conversion function, in the same way Mechabol does not. Think along the lines of test, eq, dbol, m14ad, trest, dhea, 4andro specifically for that. Once you have those level needs met, you should move onto adding compounds that don’t increase the estrogen level further.
 
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@Hyde @Whisky - hey fellas. So I am going to pause the Mechabol + 4-DHEA here (only for a week or so). Going to keep lifting anyway.

Endo-doc might be right I had a 250ng/dL + 320ng/dl "recovery Test readings in 2019 from that Test Cyp taper protocol.

So before I go on TRT now she wants to 1.) repeat Testosterone 2.) check pituitary gland (tumor pressure = hypogonadism, rare, but real), and one more...

Since I've been using 4-DHEA + Mechabol... I'll stop right now. How many days should I wait to get the bloods now? That's all endo-doc is checking, Test levels + Pituitary + one other thing.

EDIT - I bet she will do detailed Test breakdown, via GCMS with total vs free test, not just the free Test. Now that I have a couple weeks of Mechabol + 4-DHEA will that show up? I guess I pause now and go in for labs in 3-4 days later??

She's not repeating, liver/kidneys, cholesterol ... Those were all clear and just done. Just hoping I didn't shoot myself in the foot here - not a big deal just need to pause cycle and pass the last couple TRT tests to get back on TRT for good it seems.
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Once I get through TRT tests and going, I'll finish the mechabol cycle last 2-3 weeks. Also, VERY surprised. Good gains, LOW toxicity for a methyl (with support suppz and enough water pee is still light yellow).

Up another +3 lbs with mild surplus diet.

Thank you Gents for the help in advance!
 

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@Hyde @Whisky - hey fellas. So I am going to pause the Mechabol + 4-DHEA here (only for a week or so). Going to keep lifting anyway.

Endo-doc might be right I had a 250ng/dL + 320ng/dl "recovery Test readings in 2019 from that Test Cyp taper protocol.

So before I go on TRT now she wants to 1.) repeat Testosterone 2.) check pituitary gland (tumor pressure = hypogonadism, rare, but real), and one more...

Since I've been using 4-DHEA + Mechabol... I'll stop right now. How many days should I wait to get the bloods now? That's all endo-doc is checking, Test levels + Pituitary + one other thing.

EDIT - I bet she will do detailed Test breakdown, via GCMS with total vs free test, not just the free Test. Now that I have a couple weeks of Mechabol + 4-DHEA will that show up? I guess I pause now and go in for labs in 3-4 days later??

She's not repeating, liver/kidneys, cholesterol ... Those were all clear and just done. Just hoping I didn't shoot myself in the foot here - not a big deal just need to pause cycle and pass the last couple TRT tests to get back on TRT for good it seems.
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Once I get through TRT tests and going, I'll finish the mechabol cycle last 2-3 weeks. Also, VERY surprised. Good gains, LOW toxicity for a methyl (with support suppz and enough water pee is still light yellow).

Up another +3 lbs with mild surplus diet.

Thank you Gents for the help in advance!
Good stuff what dosage you running mecha?
 
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Good stuff what dosage you running mecha?
Just 50mg (25mg twice a day) and 250mg 4-DHEA (transdermal or oral with cyclo/liposomal delivery tech) for the test base.. pretty much zero sides.
 
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@Hyde @Whisky - hey fellas. So I am going to pause the Mechabol + 4-DHEA here (only for a week or so). Going to keep lifting anyway.

Endo-doc might be right I had a 250ng/dL + 320ng/dl "recovery Test readings in 2019 from that Test Cyp taper protocol.

So before I go on TRT now she wants to 1.) repeat Testosterone 2.) check pituitary gland (tumor pressure = hypogonadism, rare, but real), and one more...

Since I've been using 4-DHEA + Mechabol... I'll stop right now. How many days should I wait to get the bloods now? That's all endo-doc is checking, Test levels + Pituitary + one other thing.

EDIT - I bet she will do detailed Test breakdown, via GCMS with total vs free test, not just the free Test. Now that I have a couple weeks of Mechabol + 4-DHEA will that show up? I guess I pause now and go in for labs in 3-4 days later??

She's not repeating, liver/kidneys, cholesterol ... Those were all clear and just done. Just hoping I didn't shoot myself in the foot here - not a big deal just need to pause cycle and pass the last couple TRT tests to get back on TRT for good it seems.
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Once I get through TRT tests and going, I'll finish the mechabol cycle last 2-3 weeks. Also, VERY surprised. Good gains, LOW toxicity for a methyl (with support suppz and enough water pee is still light yellow).

Up another +3 lbs with mild surplus diet.

Thank you Gents for the help in advance!
5 half-lives is the elimination rule generally, and 4dhea has a very short oral half life, so yes by day 3-4 you’ll be clear of any test from it.
 
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5 half-lives is the elimination rule generally, and 4dhea has a very short oral half life, so yes by day 3-4 you’ll be clear of any test from it.
So during the "hardcore cycle pause" here going to switch to Iconic Formulations Dermacrine + Alpha Seven (androdterone + 7 Keto DHEA). That should be fine.. I think. While waiting to get on TRT and resume the blast.

The Mechabol gain session will resume.

Also, good news, Nano 1T appears back by popular demand on Predator site. Yay.
 

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So during the "hardcore cycle pause" here going to switch to Iconic Formulations Dermacrine + Alpha Seven (androdterone + 7 Keto DHEA). That should be fine.. I think. While waiting to get on TRT and resume the blast.

The Mechabol gain session will resume.

Also, good news, Nano 1T appears back by popular demand on Predator site. Yay.
that nano 1-t still crazy expensive??
 
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(Old guy) HARDCORE... I'm back lol.

A couple months later than anticipated. But got the wife and kids abroad for the next 5-6 months until the house is ready in Texas.

Finally got through work and house fixes. New baseline today, started basic prehab lifting.

Plan is one lean up / warm up cycle with 1-andro + 4-andro.. and then long awaited Nanodrol (nano M-Sten) from predator @Chados if you're still lurking.

Also bowflex has new Select tech 2080 EZ straight and EZ curl selectable barbell system..awesome .

Cycie and food plan next. No kids and no wifey and plenty of food and cycle support. Should be able to spend next 5 months and run two solid cycles before I move the family to Texas from California.

Who is still here? Its been forever since I've done a cycle.. peaked at 220-225 before, sitting at out of shape from kids 190lbs or so now. Picture today was pre workout of course.

Andros transdermal provided by Iconic Formulations and Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals and Fusion (Predator) Nutrition.

Have to lift slow, use intensity more.. and take more time and add more cardio, more reps fighting some old guy tennis elbow stuff here and there. More stretching.

Goals get full and big 210lbs again. But not 220lbs+ that was too heavy. Be happy if I could get back to 200-205+ in next 6 months. Let's see.
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that nano 1-t still crazy expensive??
Yeah I consider that a "treat" its pricey for sure, £70 or so, I've saved that one for post methyl PH "break in" now I'm getting back at it.. keep strength and gains going.

Once I get cleared for TRT, then it's back to Mechabol cycle blast and then Nano 1T cycle is next on deck, before PCT.

EDIT - Got Moderna C19 vaccine shot #2 today, first shot was only mild soreness in shoulder. I'll let you know if the nanobots "kick in" lol, gnarly buzz I hear. :)
 
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@Hyde @jim2509 @Whisky @Smont - Brief update, heading to TRT final labs tomorrow - then 4-DHEA + Mechabol continues for 2-3 weeks more. Just lift and blast, continues after that short lab test pause.

Then >> transition to Nano 1-Test cycle with Iconic Ultra-Hard or Alpha Seven (just tried that, felt real good) from Iconic.

See pic attached for post methyl >> non methyl cycle blast continuation options, based on recent discussion. There's a few more options to play with here.

Gotta crank out resume and lift tonight I'm past the brief tiredness from Moderna shot #2.

I guess with TRT now. Just Dermacrine and armistane (not pictured) in PCT and additional cycle assist to help the internals.
 

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ALRIGHT - well Endo-doc is checking Pituitary, Testosterone free/total detailed GCMS, and LH/FSH. Got fasted bloodwork doine this morning. If those last 3 results are not indicating anything strange, then TRT via Kaiser through my normal healthcare.

NOW - "pre cycle" clear labs are in the docs hands.. back to the Blast.
>> Mecha 25mg daily \dose 1 of 2 down the hatch + 250mg cyclo 4-DHEA + CEL Cycle assist/TUDCA supports.
>> Going to eat, do 20min of rowing machnie and I think a strong shoulders day "Build shoulders" disc with Body Beast, is in order. BBIAB.

Assuming, my short well controlled Mecha + 4-DHEA (paused for past 3-days) and was only ran for ~1.5 weeks won't show up on those last 3x test results - then should be good to go.

Either way - I also went "darkside" and knowing I'll need TRT, acquired my own stock of Test P 150 / Test E 300 / Sustanon 300 - low solvent, thin oils (hope to use 25g needles). If Kaiser gives me steady baseline, doctor monitored shots.. Great. But atleast I know I have a reserve stash for emergency, or the occasional high test run. Man been wanting to run Sustanon since I saw it from "Organon" on some spanish website from 1999.

Well time eat, row, lift. (EDIT - spot saved for post workout notes)
 
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@Hyde @jim2509 @Whisky @Smont - Brief update, heading to TRT final labs tomorrow - then 4-DHEA + Mechabol continues for 2-3 weeks more. Just lift and blast, continues after that short lab test pause.

Then >> transition to Nano 1-Test cycle with Iconic Ultra-Hard or Alpha Seven (just tried that, felt real good) from Iconic.

See pic attached for post methyl >> non methyl cycle blast continuation options, based on recent discussion. There's a few more options to play with here.

Gotta crank out resume and lift tonight I'm past the brief tiredness from Moderna shot #2.

I guess with TRT now. Just Dermacrine and armistane (not pictured) in PCT and additional cycle assist to help the internals.
Im a little lost, I've poped in and out this thread mostly just taking a look at whatever you post from time to time but are you already on t
ALRIGHT - well Endo-doc is checking Pituitary, Testosterone free/total detailed GCMS, and LH/FSH. Got fasted bloodwork doine this morning. If those last 3 results are not indicating anything strange, then TRT via Kaiser through my normal healthcare.

NOW - "pre cycle" clear labs are in the docs hands.. back to the Blast.
>> Mecha 25mg daily 1/2 dose down + 250mg cyclo 4-DHEA + CEL Cycle assist/TUDCA supports.
>> Going to eat, do 20min of rowing machnie and I think a strong shoulders day "Build shoulders" disc with Body Beast, is in order. BBIAB.

Assuming, my short well controlled Mecha + 4-DHEA (paused for past 3-days) and was only ran for ~1.5 weeks won't show up on those last 3x test results - then should be good to go.

Either way - I also went "darkside" and knowing I'll need TRT, acquired my own stock of Test P 150 / Test E 300 / Sustanon 300 - low solvent, thin oils (hope to use 25g needles). If Kaiser gives me steady baseline, doctor monitored shots.. Great. But atleast I know I have a reserve stash for emergency, or the occasional high test run.

Well time eat, row, lift. (EDIT - spot saved for post workout notes)
I'm a little confused, I see you saying stuff about pct and trt, I might need to go back a page or 2 in your thread and catch up
 
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Ignore the first part of my post. I started posting and backed out and requoted you and idk what happened lol. I gotta go back through your thread a little
 
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Ignore the first part of my post. I started posting and backed out and requoted you and IDK what happened lol. I gotta go back through your thread a little
S'ok. Long story short. There were two natural Testosterone recovery results from 2019 (post benzo seizure, off anabolics, only doc Test Cyp TRT.. then taper off).

I had a 250ng/dL reading then a 320ng readings after I was tapered off TRT. Showed recovery to Endo-doc. Should have kept checking in 2019, 2020... I didn't was tired of the docs and had my little kids, etc...

Fast forward to 2021, the first real cycle in ever and pre-cycle all bloods are clear CBC, Kidney, liver, eGFR, cholesterol... Sans my Testosterone. 26ng/dL (total shutdown) it seems. Endo-doc thinks her 2018-2019 Test Cyp taper showed recovery data points.. so I had to "3-4 days pause" the start of my Mecha + 4DHEA blast to hopefully give a few last clear results to get back on TRT regular then.

She's trying to figure out if I have any other health issue that would cause my Testosterone between 2019-2021 shutdown..

i mean I did the one Iconic Formulations log and some Narrows RAD-140 like half bottle in 2020. No other exogenous anything.. hope that wasn't the straw that put me into final T shutdown, c'est la vie I guess. So going to push through the blast plan now and then once on TRT just dial that in with Kaiser docs on PCT before doing more cycles.
 
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If you go on TRT, you won’t be doing a PCT...you just take time cruising on only your prescribed TRT test between blasting any other anabolics on top.
LOL, true that's what I was trying to say... I guess I'm on that blast / cruise / blast life now.
 
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The impression I was getting was that you wanted to run pct while on trt
No worries. I need to work on my writing skills and lingo. Be more concise, did too much program and technical writing..

By PCT, while on TRT, I meant "cruise" same notion to let my internal organs recover from the extra workout and methyl PH stress.. but of course being on TRT 4 Life now, there is no recovery of the natty test now.

Brain fart 😂 need to order more EndoAmp from Iconic me thinks.
 
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Updated Lab Results. Testosterone (early AM, fasted) was still 48ng/dL (shutdown) and that's probably residual 4-DHEA floating around up from the 26ng/dL later in the day blood draw result, from pre-cycle. Early AM and fasted blood draw, will boost Test levels.

Other thing is LH is crashed < 1.0 mIU/mL, while Prolactin is normal at 5.0ng/mL

According to the NIH paper below, due to LH being with low Test, then I've hit "secondary hypogonadism" - meaning pituitary is affected as well? Let's see what Endocrinologist says...

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isn’t ultra hard epiandro though? Which I think is still suppressive?

I know you’ve been around for time and a handle on your body bro but just looking out for you. May be worth dropping all the slightly suppressive stuff and having a proper break to let your natural levels come back.......

or get a script for trt?
Well ya did warn me... I guess that might have been the straw that broke It... Without bloodwork between 2019-2021 can't say for sure, but likely. Or the short RAD/MK half run.
 
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I think most of us deep down now that trt is where this all ends up for each of us 😂
It almost always ends with trt, either you have to do it or you find it better quality of life and want to do it. I don't know too many ppl who pct after there second or third cycle.

I do know a guy about my father's age that has been going on and off since the 70's with no pct at all ever! And somehow he still stays in shape year round and you barely tell the difference between when he's on or off.
 
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It almost always ends with trt, either you have to do it or you find it better quality of life and want to do it. I don't know too many ppl who pct after there second or third cycle.

I do know a guy about my father's age that has been going on and off since the 70's with no pct at all ever! And somehow he still stays in shape year round and you barely tell the difference between when he's on or off.
there are always outliers for sure. Mate of fine finally got bloods after being on and off for 15 years (more on than off), he hasn’t pinned for about 2 months but returns test at mid range and every other marker in range. I’m like what the **** bro, how does that happen. Never pct’d in his life 🤷
 
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there are always outliers for sure. Mate of fine finally got bloods after being on and off for 15 years (more on than off), he hasn’t pinned for about 2 months but returns test at mid range and every other marker in range. I’m like what the **** bro, how does that happen. Never pct’d in his life 🤷
I honestly don't think it's outliers, I really feel that there's just as many ppl who can bounce back regardless of what they do as there is ppl who can't bounce back. If we were in the 70's 80's or 90's trying to tell guys they need to take a pct they would look at us like we're stupid. Even today outside the forums you would be shocked how many ppl have never ran a pct and never had a problem. Now I'm by no means saying that ppl shouldn't pct. It's a very smart idea and Is a strong insurance policy on your natural production. But at the same time how can you tell someone that's been doing it without pct for 30+ years and everyone they know has done the same without problems.

We all throw our name in a bucket and it's the luck of the draw
 
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I will add that men these days are going downhill faster. Especially the young guys in there late teens and early 20s these days have terrible natty test levels.its alarming.

And we wonder why everyone thinks there a girl, I mean boy, I mean pineapple....
 
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I was bouncing back from cycles pretty well, blood showed first few years... think that whole fake benzo seizure mess from "Domestic RCs" that got busted by FDA took away stoutness from my ability to recover cycles and seems to have hit my pituitary (not enough LH to tell gonads to crank more Test).

But as far as the "desexing" yeah I've noticed that being born in 1980, the last pre internet dependency generation, X. Really think that's got to be related to the **** tons of industry pollutants (detergents, plastics) that all are hormone mimics once they are say heated, etc. We need to get such chemistry out of our clothes and foods.
 
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I was bouncing back from cycles pretty well, blood showed first few years... think that whole fake benzo seizure mess from "Domestic RCs" that got busted by FDA took away stoutness from my ability to recover cycles and seems to have hit my pituitary (not enough LH to tell gonads to crank more Test).

But as far as the "desexing" yeah I've noticed that being born in 1980, the last pre internet dependency generation, X. Really think that's got to be related to the **** tons of industry pollutants (detergents, plastics) that all are hormone mimics once they are say heated, etc. We need to get such chemistry out of our clothes and foods.
The government wants them that way. At least I think it's all part of some kind of plan. When I was 15 I had to shave, mustach, beard, some hormonal acne. Had a deep voice since I was like 12 ect. Most of my friends were about the same boat. I see these highschool kids and guys in there early to mid 20s and the can't grow a beard, there built like girl, they have nicer skin and hair then most girls. To me that says there not fully going through puberty or something hormonal is off.
 
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The government wants them that way. At least I think it's all part of some kind of plan. When I was 15 I had to shave, mustach, beard, some hormonal acne. Had a deep voice since I was like 12 ect. Most of my friends were about the same boat. I see these highschool kids and guys in there early to mid 20s and the can't grow a beard, there built like girl, they have nicer skin and hair then most girls. To me that says there not fully going through puberty or something hormonal is off.
Well at least I am not the only one who thought that. I thought maybe it was just the rise in a type of fashion or anti discrimination clothing speak.. but it's damn wierd (and I have a background in science) to see the rise of the "beta males" and people not care.
 
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Well at least I am not the only one who thought that. I thought maybe it was just the rise in a type of fashion or anti discrimination clothing speak.. but it's damn wierd (and I have a background in science) to see the rise of the "beta males" and people not care.
i heard something the other day that said the way testosterone levels are declining that within 30 years we (as a population) won’t be capable of reproduction anymore.....
 
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i heard something the other day that said the way testosterone levels are declining that within 30 years we (as a population) won’t be capable of reproduction anymore.....
I've heard that as well, by 2050 only like 10% of men will be able to reproduce or something like that
 
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I've heard that as well, by 2050 only like 10% of men will be able to reproduce or something like that
Well **** that, so far so good keeping my son and daughter away from that mess... They're both strongly their respective genders.

Like as a science minded fellow, I don't discriminate, nor hate, as we know.. there is percentage (naturally occurring) of mamals that are either homosexual, asexual, bisexual, confused about their gender identity (despite what's encoded in their 🧬 DNA).

That said, the rate at which its occurring in humans is way too high. Even for poor culture trend.. got to be some pollutants causing this.
 
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Well back on the Mechabol + 4-DHEA. Wow, I missed out on some classic PH's from the early 2000's. I mean this ish is feel good, still low toxicity (compared to other methyl PH). Coolio.

Pretty solid back and Biceps pump, no pre-workout NO booster at all, just coffee and iron.

LOVE BowFlex SelectTech 2080 straight + EZ curl "quick change" barbells. Was waiting forever for them to put this out. Worth the wait.

Also finally have ceiling-rafter bolted pull up bar (strong) and GoFIT resistance bands for
 

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Those boflex barbells, I'm sure there good and convenient. But the shape of those plates is making my eyeball twitch lol
 
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Those boflex barbells, I'm sure there good and convenient. But the shape of those plates is making my eyeball twitch lol
Get a set, super awesome Selectech 2080. Makes it fast to bicep blast or do inside/outside grips the EZ curl flip to upright rows. Changing weight very fast. Love it.

They have to be angled as each plate locks I to the next with a central screw. Yeah probably looks funny until you see how they lock in, lol.

Yay! Endo-doc finally gave me mail order Test Cyp 200 at home. Jesus i knew she was punishing me before, lol.

New job potentially, flying to Phoenix Tues-Wed. Back to Lift Thursday this week. Been doing house work and doing simple lifts.

Mechabol has become a FAVORITE, low toxicity methyl PH. Pee still hasn't turned dark yet, very 😎 cool. Feel great on that and 4-DHEA.

Back to Alpha 7 + Dermacrine while traveling next two days. Post weight up date next.

@Hyde if the LGI Mechabol agrees with me as well as Fusion's nano Mechabol.. so good to go.

And @Whisky ahh ****, ordered Suatanon, Primobol Enanthate, along with anavar. Time to run the good stuff - being on life long blast cruise now.

Wife is loving my Mechabol + DHEA good mood, added muscle getting her feeling nice to me on video chat lol. She can tell when I'm on cycle, haha.
 
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The LGI will likely be better; I have used that exact batch from them and it’s excellent.
Perfect. Also, just got back from two days in Phoenix, career hunting. Got up and flew back to San Jose 5am.

Just a message from my Endo-doc says she "..is showing trust in me" actually allowing me at home TRT through Kaiser medical out here West Coast. It's low dose (0.3mL) 60mg weekly Test Cyp 200. It did get me into "normal" range before she'll check in June - for Test, Hemocrit, etc. That's fine.

So, I guess I start a TRT "cruise" here after the Mecha and 4-DHEA blast last two weeks. Family and kids are home, and then my first "blast" back on here is done for a bit. Due to #30 tooth extraction + bone graft (oral surgery) and career/work, travel, house fixes last weekend didn't get to lift much past 3-4 days. Finishing up house repairs before family gets back. Caloric intake a bit reduced as such.

Will improve tonight. Total Body Beast Lucky 7 disc, with rowing. Post weight update, though I was not on much excess calorically. I do look more muscular just from being active and on cycle for sure. I'll get the farm $15 selfie tripod, to take better pics than my one-handed selfies -lolz can't flex at all doing holding a phone like that.
 
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Wow, look at the cute 1mL "weekly" Test Cyp vials Kaiser gives me. I'm supposed to use 0.3ml weekly of the full 1mL, discard the unused.. get rested in June.. so be it to establish the TRT.
I got some of those.
 
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So she is actually prescribing you only 60mg/wk to start? What a quack...nothing crazy or dangerous about starting at 100 and seeing what that gets a guy.
 

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