Yeah man it was decent. I made quite a mess trying to shovel 2 plates of turkey and accessories through my mask, but I made it. TX will be fun, as long as everybody moving away from Cali for certain reasons try to turn tx into Cali. That would be.... lunacy?Good start - bit of a pause - Thanksgiving go well for you @SkRaw85 ?
Struggling with time, quittting THC for motivation - Consistency in workouts + with house + security issues in Bay + fires + young kids + start of old man injuries - yada yada..
Finally fix the house this spring, looking to sell and maybe reboot in Austin, TX with more space for a real home office and gym, liquidate my overpriced Bay area Cali townhouse.
But yeah plan to continue the RAD + MK cycle tomorrow AM!
Haha "FLIP THAT STATE" Just kidding. I did go BLUE (Lincoln Party here) NEVER Trumper, old-school GOP since 1998.Yeah man it was decent. I made quite a mess trying to shovel 2 plates of turkey and accessories through my mask, but I made it. TX will be fun, as long as everybody moving away from Cali for certain reasons try to turn tx into Cali. That would be.... lunacy?
I gotta pick some up. Still got a few things I am waiting on for my home gymHaha "FLIP THAT STATE" Just kidding. I did go BLUE (Lincoln Party here) NEVER Trumper, old-school GOP since 1998.
Scientific Catholic, not a reality denying, "positive thinker" / faux-evangelical" sorry if that offends some here I know are staunchly pro Trump.. but happy to share why scientific literacy = as important as God laws with regards to his base of Q-anon/anti-vaxxer types. That have consumed the old GOP I once knew.
Also the bible is pretty much against magicians or modern day Jesus = prosperity Genie. Your not supposed to test god, nor cast spells, do illusions (many fake televangelical "healings"). These same people, well tend to be more undereducated... I know it sounds insulting, but I grew up in "central PA" and half of my family is this way, sadly.
Yo @DemntedCowboy - or followers here - this just came back in stock - just snagged it. Sick I will have barbell + curl bar selecttech and finally TX space to lift at home! https://www.bowflex.com/selecttech/2080-barbell/100874.html
And I'm MOVING to Texas, Austin Area - leaving Bay area Cali behind we think in June.
Killin my self with work, in Jan start 3-4 months "hardcore" after I fly family abroad with in-laws while wife gets her "eyes fixed" cataracts, etc. Thngs on pause. Going to start up a pre-cycle here, warm up with RAD-140 + MK-677 + cyclo 4-andro combo here again. Same as I was doing before T-giving for 1-2 weeks, lol. Right arms, neck, spine -- all healed up.
And then it's Predator Nanodrol + Nano 1T. Maybe even a Superdrol cycle for old times sake. It's been 2+ years of clear health, since I was poisioned by "Domestic RCs" and sent to a hospital in seizure. Experiemental benzo withdrawl... ugh That would start in Feb 1st..
Oh brother. All I run now is Iconic Formuaitions (trandermal) + HiTech (oral) andros. I grabbed some other stuff from you guys too (like a rack). I'll post those up in my cycle plans. I also have Narrows Labs for the SARMS and Predator for the "hardcore methyls" like Msten (a little pricey but the nano Msten supposedly lower sides). Although I do have a stock.alpha four and icon one is a nice stack---good luck!!!
thanks for all the iconic love, i sincerly wish you well!!!Oh brother. All I run now is Iconic Formuaitions (trandermal) + HiTech (oral) andros. I grabbed some other stuff from you guys too (like a rack). I'll post those up in my cycle plans. I also have Narrows Labs for the SARMS and Predator for the "hardcore methyls" like Msten (a little pricey but the nano Msten supposedly lower sides). Although I do have a stock.
Unlike when i got "addicted" and cycled too fast, plan to cycle smart now going forward. Will post my "cycle cabinet" for planning with the group. Goal is to use "andros mild cycle" then hardcore cycle nanodrol Msten and then PCT. Truly. And return to rigid blood work.
Problem with kids past 4-5 years with injuries... consistency. Trying to change that now they're out of baby phase. I make gains, but it's 3-steps forward, 2-steps back. Overall I've netted 20-25lbs+ even after leaving the gym and eating like an ecto-morph bird again.
I have 5-6 months to form these new habits, carry them to Texas- get the kids in school and keep it going. Obviously REAL gains, takes like 5-6 years of consistent diet and training. I've never been able to string together more than 2-3 years at best.
BTW, this THC-vape head... Loves your Endoamp. It does work. I'm going to run the Thermoamp to to help to - trim up prior to the Nanodrol - after the 1+4 andro warm up here.
Thanks my man, will do! Alpha Four is going to be awesome test base weapon for the Nanodrol (Nano M-Sten) I think too, better 4-andros are my general Test E inj. replacement. Saving the Ultra Hard and Ultra Epi and 7 for to shed fluff later on.thanks for all the iconic love, i sincerly wish you well!!!
any questions feel free to ask!!!
Thanks! it's 5:30am I'm going to slap a Body Beast chest disc in the living room in a moment, after some rowing machine warmup. Pullup bar and good resistance band set is upstairs not in these photos.Welcome back. Looks like you've got some solid equipment, set up, and some time to get after it!
Yesterday = Body Beast "Build Shoulders" Day with 15 min my Rowing Machine magnetic 14/16 setting.
Well looks like Wife and kids come home 3-months EARLY! Dang so the Methyl PH (Nanodrol cycle) starts this week. Was hoping to have 5-6 months total to run 2 full hardcore cycles with a PCT between.
Oh well, looks like I need to remove the wife from getting my bloodwork results, j/k
Tomorrow = "Build Back and Bi's" Body Beast Disc.
I am running andros. No need to stop, I was planning on a casual 1/4 andros 3 week warmup then hit the MSten cycle.So I take it you are not running the Andros now?
Ah ok nice one. Sounds like you are all set to go.I am running andros. No need to stop, I was planning on a casual 1/4 andros 3 week warmup then hit the MSten cycle.
I will keep the 4-andro (4-DHEA) going as my primary test base for sure. I always get "methyl lethargy" with these prohormones, so expect to feel less crushing lethargy as week 3-4 hit on a strong methyl PH causes natural test suppression, etc.
Got my food, shops, cycle support and PCT also ready to roll.
Precycle blood work tomorrow morning I think.
I've done Andros before. They're healthy and work like clockwork. I keep a good amount of Iconic and Hi-Tech 1/4 andros around.Ah ok nice one. Sounds like you are all set to go.
Hows the 1st 3 weeks on the andros been? Do you find them better than Sarms? I have some Nano 1-T and Icon One and 4-Diol but also some Sarms (Lgd/Rad) but I'm not sure which to go for?
Really informative post thanks mate. I think you hit the nail on the head, there was a lot of negativity about the 1/4 andros from a few years back and alot of people thought sarms would be the next 'Big' thing but it's not really turned out that way now companies are getting cease and desist notices.I've done Andros before. They're healthy and work like clockwork. I keep a good amount of Iconic and Hi-Tech 1/4 andros around.
Transdermal Andros lotions from Iconic Formulations are excellent. But I can't always shave, then shower to put them on my upper body skin - usually a morning / night ritual for me... So if you need andros mid-day cyclosomal oral tablets, new delivery means also works great as well as trandermal delivery. Lotsa folks think andros are bunk because they took them years back.. orally without a delivery technology to get it last digestive destruction..
Since I don't use injectable Test E/C, anymore 4-DHEA ("Alpha Four" and "Androdiol") are basically oral Test base. Once you get 4-andro into blood or has a good 25% conversion rate to test. My hunger and sex drive goes up just like Test E.
SARMS, I wouldn't mess with any now they are in the same legal boat as regular steroids and prohormones. I know how to mitigate the liver stress and lethargy from a high quality methyl PH (S-drol, DMZ, M-Sten, others) and get a great cycle, no needles even. However the side effects SARMS are not yet really known. I got lucky, chose wisely.. only RAD-140, or MK-677 or LGD-4033 are even worth a bother.
Well I too have a bottle of Nano 1T (discontinued on Predator recently). I'd save that bad boy for a test base. I plan on using that with LGI Mechabol.
4-diol = 4-Androstenediol or 4-DHEA, a test base again. Save that to pair with Icon One (1-andro) for example. 1/4 andros is a classic stack.
Rad-140 is a non-estrogenic testosterone replacement SARM. Run on its own. Can also add estradiol to keep E levels balanced. Mild toxicity and suppression test shut down.
LGD I ran twice. It's OK, I get similar but wetter gains relative, versus methyl PH. I also forget what else LGD did to my blood work.. So in that regard DMZ or S-drol, preferred.
That looks an awesome cycle. I'm mega interested to see how Mechabol works with you as I actually have some Brawn mecha laying about.And it begins! The first "hardcore" cycle in 3 years . Ahh fresh receptors and Nanodrol's take on MSten.
Today's lifting sessions will be"Build back and bid" disc with Sagi K. Of Body Beast fame.
Additional update. Back and Biceps pump with Body Beast workout is legit and BFF supps are the bomb.That looks an awesome cycle. I'm mega interested to see how Mechabol works with you as I actually have some Brawn mecha laying about.
In for this
hmmm I’d have up check back on my log when I ran nanodrol but normally supplement companies suggest slightly on the lower end ime (makes the product seem cheaper). Then again pred everything is crazy expensive these days so maybe they don’t careWell I'd say so far the 4-DHEA + M-Sten combination of Test base + androgen, is working out lovely first couple days here. Wow, the ENERGY and extra strength is nearly immediate. Hunger is up for sure, ripping through food. Which is nice cause THC has long since ceased giving me munchies as when younger. Handy.
Running with 750mg NAC + 400-600mg TUDCA daily, extra water / juices. Don't worry I'll shed after Msten (with Hexadrone, 3AD perhaps, or I have Iconic Ultra Hard, Seven, Ultra Epi.. even some HiTech Armistane which agrees with me).
One thing to note, @Chados or @Whisky - nanodrol from Fusion/Predator is dosed a bit high. 25mg of nano M-sten per 0.5mg of liquid. They say 2x daily.. so 50mg of M-sten daily -wow! I do see a few folks who run that high, but most don't based on toxicity I'm sure. I think the nanoparticle MSten would aid in absorption, effectiveness.. but doubt it lowers the hepatoxic factor molecularly.
Yeah I'm going to treat Nanodrol like a 60day supply, so I guess that helps with Predator high price tag and keep cycle at 25mg daily. Based on the fact I'm a cheap date with DMZ and S-drol and M1A prior cycles... I'll stick to 25-30mg range for now.
Also, I SHOULD be very sore the way I hit Body Beast back and bi's yesterday - PEDs helping there likely too.
Most logs I'm seeing here are ~30mg or so for M-sten, 50mg seems crazy high?
just checked and it was 15mg a ml when I brought it years ago (I ran it at 30)hmmm I’d have up check back on my log when I ran nanodrol but normally supplement companies suggest slightly on the lower end ime (makes the product seem cheaper). Then again pred everything is crazy expensive these days so maybe they don’t care
HILARIOUS! I accidentally opened the the Nanobol (Nano Mechabol). Whoops. That might explain the expected dosage being off! Oh well, it was sorta arbitrary which one of those I run first (M-Sten vs. Mechabol). I grabbed the wrong cycle bag in a hurry yesterday and the bottles are similar, without my contacts... yada yada.hmmm I’d have up check back on my log when I ran nanodrol but normally supplement companies suggest slightly on the lower end ime (makes the product seem cheaper). Then again pred everything is crazy expensive these days so maybe they don’t care
Well either way....great looking cycle. What dosage you going to run the Mechabol at? I hear its bit more quicker acting than Halodrol, wetter gains but less sides?HILARIOUS! I accidentally opened the the Nanobol (Nano Mechabol). Whoops. That might explain the expected dosage being off! Oh well, it was sorta arbitrary which one of those I run first (M-Sten vs. Mechabol). I grabbed the wrong cycle bag in a hurry yesterday and the bottles are similar, without my contacts... yada yada.
So cycle log EDIT - uhh yeah I just started nano Mechabol - lol see attached. SH*T I didn't have my contact lenses on yesterday morning, damn astigmatism LOL!
Well I guess that means Mecha is agreeing with me thus far... Dear lord.
So my faith in Predator/Fusion is restored, realized how bad I need to always have my contact lenses in doing a bottle mixup like that. Lordy.Well either way....great looking cycle. What dosage you going to run the Mechabol at? I hear its bit more quicker acting than Halodrol, wetter gains but less sides?
hey bro, just woke up from a nap so struggling to fully engage the cognitive function but wtf is a test cyp taper? That doesn’t make pharmacological sense, are you suggesting they were giving you smaller and smaller amount of test cyp in some misguided belief that your own levels would restart in that situation?Pre Cycle Bloodwork = ALT 18 for liver, all the rest of is clear.. EXCEPT TWO KEY things (Creatine Kinase - kidney related) and wow my natural testosterone NEVER recovered, it seems. My last "natural test" result was 350ng/dL level in 2019, 1 year post seizure, post all cycles.
But now checking 2-years later, it's basically no free test 26 ng/dL. I used to be in the 500-600 zone a few years back. I over cycled + benzo seizures tipped the scale. The endo tried to "taper me slowly with Test Cyp" and it looked like the boys were working again on their own ~2019. But I guess not now in 2021!
This explains why I CRAVE 4-DHEA, apparently I joined the TRT4LIFE club. I told the damn Endo - I got kids, no more "taper down" and making me sit in the damn shot line an hour each week for low dose Test Cyp. Mail order TRT damn it, full dose now - better not order me back to the Kaiser hospital shot lab weekly especially with C19 and new variants.
Also, my CK (Creatine Kinase) levels are a bit high. I found this article on NIH - about elevated Creatine Kinase (used to be called Creatinine). Have you all seen this? Related to kidney function and CK levels of atheletes being normally higher than the hospital range of 20-200 U/L. >> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2465154/
I was worried about my CK 420 U/L level, from week 1 cycle, of course they list "normal" CK as 20-200 for sedentary adults not causing muscle damage through sports... The NIH study shows CK ranging higher for athletes, as more sensible baseline. But with ~1 week of working out, 420 CK level could be from me starting back up it seems? The seizure in 2018 shot my level to near heart-stop range 6,000U/L toxicity.. but has steadily recovered since.
I was always lucky/super healthy first 35+ years, prior Air Force athlete in high school - until Domestic RC's poisoned me with fake clonazolam (led to my dual grandmal seizure in 2018). That's what killed my cycles age 35-38, dropped me off the board for 2+ years. I'm back here ~at 41 now. **** THESE A-HOLES BELOW.
California Man Sentenced to Prison for Misbranding and Smuggling Conspiracy Involving Online Sale and Distribution of Unapproved Drugs Obtained from Overseas | FDA (JUSTIN ASH)
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Well some JUSTICE finally. I saw FDA raided Domestic RCS back in Winter 2018 (had my benzo withdrawl grandmal July 3rd 2018). Seems they finally sentenced these two A*hole to prison... There only getting 2-5 years jail + losing $780k or so. I might have to haunt this fucker when he gets out - for poisioning me (fake clonazolam benzo). Granted it was my fault for buying the ****, that's the only thing that stops me. I truly wish I'd come forward to FDA, even if there was personal/professional risk - to put posioners away for longer.
Calling in for air support. @Whisky who maintains "the list" on here, it used to be @DemntedCowboy and others before him.
Where's my bodybuilding docs? @Hyde, @nostrum420? If I can keep the kidney (creatine kinase) on the long-term down trend, all markers in check, AND get back on TRT for normal test levels in bloodwork... should be good to go again. DAMN.
Well - on the bright side Mechabo + 4-DHEA feels great - lol probably because I've been shutdown and running on low test for so long... my body is crying for any androgens. Pee is still clear week 1, way less toxic than M1A type methyl PH.
.Almost everyone with a neuromuscular disorder has had, or will have, a creatine kinase test. But what exactly is creatine kinase (CK), and why are its levels measured in neuromuscular diseases? CK, also known as phosphocreatine kinase, or CPK, is a type of protein called an enzyme. It catalyzes...www.mda.org
Long story short. Very healthy former athlete, air force guy, engineer now.. joined board in 2015-2016 and cycled. Got good gains first 2 years or so, simple cycles..What's going on here ...?
Lol, stupid endo. She should be fired. Also, congrats on getting off of benzos, that's no joke and sorry about your fake RC, that must have been a heck of an ordeal.Long story short. Very healthy former athlete, air force guy, engineer now.. joined board in 2015-2016 and cycled. Got good gains first 2 years or so, simple cycles..
Add ~2018 summer midlife crisis and stupid error where I left my trusty valium, xanax.. tried amazing irc.bio clonazolam (powerful RC benzo from 1960s, amazing for back pain, insomnia). Got fake **** from Domestic RCs when IRC.bio dried up. Nearly killed me... Dual grandnal seizures. Problem was I was also overly fast cycling, no PCT (kinda addicted to being strong, first time I ever hit 225lbs). So it was a bit of a compounding problem with both seizures.. majorly boosts toxicity beyond what steroid workout damage would do anyway.. 100x.
Fast forward, lots of rehab and time away from gym.. focus on family and work for a few years. Now I'm fully healthy, sans low Test it seems so just doing basic cycles again. Slightly elevated CK for an athlete not a big deal as long as eGFR is good it seems too. So mostly all good.
Used gabapentin /Levitaracetam to get off benzos years ago. Just my dumbass Endo-doc thought she could taper my "too many 'roids balls" back alive with low dose Test Cyp.
Almost looked like it worked in 2019, at 350ng/dL.. but no dice in 2021 it seems being off all exogenous androgens for 2+ years.
pflow was about to get things going, it’s always a wild ride. He’s not been about for a bit so wanted some input from the collective brilliance that exists on here......I listed out a few of the contributors that first sprung to mindLol, stupid endo. She should be fired. Also, congrats on getting off of benzos, that's no joke and sorry about your fake RC, that must have been a heck of an ordeal.
Ok, so ... why have we been summoned? : D
I think @Hyde got me straight for the moment. I was worried about CK levels at 420 U/L, but I guess with other blood markers all in range and eGFR good, then that's just exercise damage there. Other Q below.Lol, stupid endo. She should be fired. Also, congrats on getting off of benzos, that's no joke and sorry about your fake RC, that must have been a heck of an ordeal.
Ok, so ... why have we been summoned? : D
Just had my gyno removed. No sense in comparing prices, as I'm from europe though.I think @Hyde got me straight for the moment. I was worried about CK levels at 420 U/L, but I guess with other blood markers all in range and eGFR good, then that's just exercise damage there. Other Q below.
The test-taper ****.. man she should be fired, would not even try clomid without referral to fertility specialist. So I left at 350ng expect to be at 350 or higher, not 26ng/dL two years later...
So next question @Jinsun. If I've been low T for 1-2+ years after the taper fail.. and I do swear 1-DHEA and 4-DHEA based lifting worked and reduced my gyno to where it is near gone... If I go back for Test Cyp (what Kaiser uses here, no Test E) it seems to arragavate the gyno.
Don't want it to return, bugger (anyone know the $ cost for the "nip snips" to get smallish masses gone)? Gyno came after Tren Ace cycle, not anything else I tried... So that's prolactin related, but then is slowly receding gyno from low T state too?
Thoughts from the TRT pros?
Time to hit shoulders and blow some stress.
Thanks, that's makes sense about gyno sensitization.. I was afraid of that, I made myself more prone to it now, have to stick to drier compound or have Estrogenex 2nd gen on hand... My theory about DHEA andros vs. gyno reduction, probably not related.. Instead, probably more to do with me being low T (falsely thinking the Endo-docs' taper worked and my 350 low-normal would slowly recover, not crash again, in time).Just had my gyno removed. No sense in comparing prices, as I'm from europe though.
But I can tell you this; once you get gyno, it's going to get aggrevated all the time by hormonal fluctuations. In fact, my gyno got 50% bigger last summer, when I wasn't on anything. Got a bit high prolactin, but normal e2.
Gyno is mostly going to be dependent on the androgens / estrogen relation. You can have low T, ie. low DHT, and have e2 in the upper range, and with preexisting gyno, you can grow new tissue.
I dont understand however, where does the 1, 4andro come into play?
holy cow---that is for sure a old list...haven't saw a lot of those guys in a long timeHere is a very old list
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Thanks @Hyde, much appreciated.. actually pretty sensible A/B. Think I'll run the Mechabol cycle transition to TRT (path A). Before the wifey and kids come home in June.Just my opinion, but I would blast as long as you want, up through about 16-20 weeks max depending on what you are using (not methyls straight through or anything), then hit the doctor a couple weeks after and have blood drawn showing no t or LH/FSH. Unless you think it will take longer to get on the test from there. The longer you have to go without test after, the bigger liability this is, but you can always add a little 4 Andro & Dermacrine while waiting if they jack you around too long.
Or you can be patient now and get TRT going first so you don’t spend that period losing the gains you built now, but that needs about 6 months for them to dial you in somewhat usually - they will probably be doing full bloodwork monthly for a bit so you can’t be adding anything.
If your T levels have truly been low for a long time then just getting your levels to normal should give you a pretty nice boost to get back in shape before the wife comes home. I know several people who add a lot of size just getting on TRT. Add muscle memory to that and might be worthwhile to wait, get Test levels squared, enjoy the boost from that then take the next step up in anabolic intensity with your cycle. Try to do the most with the least if health is a priority.
My crazy endo-doc still believes in that false low-normal reading from the end of the "Test Cyp taper" experiment to try and get me off TRT that I clearly now need .. So now gotta rule out "pituitary gland tumor pressure" which while rare, I guess can cause hypogonadism.If your T levels have truly been low for a long time then just getting your levels to normal should give you a pretty nice boost to get back in shape before the wife comes home. I know several people who add a lot of size just getting on TRT. Add muscle memory to that and might be worthwhile to wait, get Test levels squared, enjoy the boost from that then take the next step up in anabolic intensity with your cycle. Try to do the most with the least if health is a priority.
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