Unanswered oxandrolone and test

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I've been on test @ 350mg/week for about 6 weeks and oxandrolone for 1 week. i was running oxandrolone @ 3/4 of a 50mg tab for a week to test the waters. now ill bump up the dose to 50mg. i have enough for 12 weeks, but i might just run it for 6.

Goal is to cut.

I'm 6'3, 205. Ive been eating in a 500 calorie deficit (2500 cals a day max, with few exceptions) for over a month and i haven't lost a pound so im guessing the test is doing its work?

I ate 3/4 of a pizza to myself yesterday and didnt get bloated, so i think the oxandrolone is working.
 
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I don’t know if EliteFitness is still up, but that would be ideal for Italone. They are all know it all pricks that argue over regurgitated forum dogma and treat each other horribly. This place just can’t offer that.
 
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Anyone know how long most people can run a relatively high dose (80 - 100 mg/day) of Anavar for before suffering legit liver damage?
I’m certain there’s those that would disagree, but your body has amazing built in self preservation and survival mechanisms.
The reason you’ll never see anyone on any forum ever, with liver damage isn’t because we are all getting labs, it’s because once it gets bad, you will feel like warmed up death.
You could probably run high dose Var 28 weeks before cirrhosis could occur, but you wouldn’t make it to week 16. You’ll be vomiting, won’t be able to get out of bed, your eyes will burn and be yellow, your skin will itch like a mutherfucker, your piss will be brown, and you won’t be able to eat.
ALL BEFORE long term damage is even close to happening. You could probably get a lot of time out of Var, so go for it, your body will absolutely tell you when it’s done.
 
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Why would you run Clomid from day one of a 12 week Test and Var cycle. Clomid isn’t an AI and Clomid won’t help with gyno either.. This must be a misprint. You wouldn’t even start an AI until week 3 or 4 anyway.
You have a lot to learn.
 
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I see this Italone guy is in here too being a moron.
It's funny Old Witch had that analogy about using a hammer to clobber moss on a rock but it just keeps popping back up. I mean he was talking about the liver healing but it seems to apply to rude people posting uneducated things on threads.....you try to whack it and boom it pops right back up. 😆
 

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Beginning of week 3 update.

2 full weeks have passed by and im starting to see a few changes. Nothing drastic. I'm still eating about a 500 calorie deficit most days. And clean eating except for my cheat meal which i happened to splurge myself with 2/3 of a blaze pizza.


-i'm noticing the fat around my midsection is disappearing. Most of my abs are visible now. Its still got a ways to go though.

-Strength is up slightly, but nothing major. -Im doing handstand pushups with two 12 second negatives in each rep. Ive only been doing one rep per set because 1. im not super strong and 2. its about 30 seconds under tension for each set. Since i started oxandrolone ive added 2 or 3 sets. There are other slight strength gains too.

- I'm not sure if recovery time is enhanced because i still have muscle soreness from fridays workout. Ive heard that soreness is not an indicator of recovery though so idk.

- I can post before and after pics if people are interested in what actual pharmacy oxandrolone will do.

- I'm debating upping my calories so i can gain more muscle with this cycle. But my goal is to get rid of the love handles, so idk what to do here. Suggestions?
 

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Damn dude don’t have a boyfriend that needs some attention? You have that much time to go back and down vote every post I’ve made? Lmao, go give your boy some loving. At least it’s more constructive then being a crybaby hater! 😪
ItalOne, please leave my thread. Stop posting here. You have some wisdom in certain areas but you are being arrogant and rude. If you would like to be polite and offer advice in humility you are welcome to do so, otherwise leave.
 
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Anyone know how long most people can run a relatively high dose (80 - 100 mg/day) of Anavar for before suffering legit liver damage?

Highly individual. How long does it take to destroy your liver with alcohol? How long does it take to get cancer from cigarettes? Some people never gets it. If we go by medical usage dosages of 150mg anadrol has been used for 3 months with no problems. In medical use its to help with say aids patients not to lose their muscles so it serves a really important purpose, for you and me to look good? Maybe not the smartest. Anadrol will raise rbc a lot and you want to draw blood. Anavar itself isnt very liver toxic neither is an increase in rbc worrying, what is a concern is cholesterol and maybe bp and they will take a hit. Problem isn't surviving cause you will if youre healthy, problem is the longer you run is actually more damaging than the dosage itself so a mild cycle for many months will keep cholesterol slightly elevated for such long time that youll increase the risk for cardiovascular disease.

People like to say, do a mild cycle for a longer time when in fact a more harsh cycle thats short is less damaging cause your values won't be elevated for a long time.
 
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Pandas don’t need chains! I am well aware of what Tudca does!. I’m not sure why everyone here’s believes that it wILL REPAR AND PROTECT you liver when your ON cycle.
IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT!

It will do EVERYTHING you mentioned ONLY ONCE YOU COMPLETELY STOP INGESTING THE HEPATOXIC SUBSTANCE.

So yes doctors prescribe Tudca to patients that are NO LONGER ingesting alcohol or anything toxic for that matter. This is when tudca is used and yes it helps.

It doesn’t do a damn thing while your ACTUALLY On! It won’t protect your liver like a shield. Again it doesn’t work that way. I really don’t think there is another forum on the web with so many newbs taking SO MANY SUPPLEMENTS AND WASTEFUL CYCLE PROTECTION. Dumb kids running PRAMI ON EVERY CYCLE. Lol Using RC grade serms, and AI’s. Then they’re all the dumb SARMS! What a joke!! All my ancillaries are PHARMA and my AAS knowledge happens to be superior to most here.
Then pleeeeeeeaaaaaaassssseee go the **** away and be a cunt on another forum.
 
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It’s just not true. Freaking cry baby!! Your right DHB is most amazing AAS in the world!

I’d advise you all to do the same as I did.
When you click on the User’s name, it’ll bring you to their profile. There’s 3 dashes up top right, click on them and you have the option to Ignore/Block. Best feature on AM forum.

I can’t deal with this fucking tool anymore.

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Definitely a lot of genetic and metabolic variables that would change each person's experience with a compound. Diet, other compounds run simultaneously, hell the person's work ethic all have a bearing. I do think you can get a good sense of a compound you haven't run if you read enough people's experiences, that'll kinda balance it out.

Yup, successfull cycles are also more common with experience. An advanced user can get better results with anavar than a beginner would get with a stack of hard bulkers.
 
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The last few days ive been sitting at 2300 cals. I eat mostly proteins and fats, i shy away from carbs. I usually eat some before my workouts and maybe after. Ill eat some carbs, like 2 tortillas for example with 2 meals. So not a lot of carbs, just mostly around workout times.

I havent been doing cardio! Yesterday i went on a moderate intensity 50 minute hike and power walked up and down the hills. ill start doing more of that.
If you got a stair master at your gym I highly recommend it 20-30 minutes at a moderate intensity. Helped me drop real quick. Or you could always add some burpees.
 
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Exactly, steroids keeps you from getting fat. Oxandrolone do have a tendency to bloat, theres nothing "dry" about it even if it helps get rid of fat. If you want to be dry its winstrol you should go for.
Or stack em.
 

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A friend of mine own a conpany in Eroupe, really on the money **** qnd he wouldn y life to me. He pressed pills regulztly. So I asked one day about thrsev59md dbol, 50 mg Anavar, 50 mg Winny. His response was go nobhighrrvthsb 29vlg on Anavar and Winny and no higher than 10 dbol. He said there is no way he could press a 50 mg dbol pill and have it not crumble. Same with Winny and var 20. He did say there is aa possibility and you get lucky but he's bitvwastingvthat product hoping they don't fall apart. He emphisised dbol over 10 as the worst. Said no way he could press 50 mg dbol. So maybe what you have is OK'
Personzlly I don't get this fascination with Anavar unless you're a woman. Weak drug, weak gain waste of money. You would o better getting rid of the vqr and upping dose of test.
A lot of people have had very positive results with var. The benefits are well documented. What about it don’t you understand?
 
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A lot of UGL Anavar IS Winnie and many times guys will claim crazy dryness unaware they actually took Winnie. How often this happens I don’t know. But beware of inexpensive Var.

This is very common but having ran both you can really tell quite easily if it's one or the other. They help leaning out but thats where the comparison ends
 
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Liver toxicity is sort of like having a patch of moss that every time you run oral steroids, you’re whacking it with a hammer. Parts of it will start to wither away slowly, but also will be regrown later.

If you spend too long whacking your patch of moss, it won’t be able to heal itself, and parts of it will stay scarred.

Eventually, you will run out of moss to whack as it’s ability to heal over time diminishes. And then you can no longer tolerate oral steroids.
 

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Jesus man, just google fatty liver man. I bet they won’t say it’s like pieces of moss falling off a moss patch. Lol!! FYI Tudca will do absolutely NOTHING until you discontinue taking the toxic substance at hand. It doesn’t negate toxicity it helps repair once you done. A lot of fools on this forum think it will help on cycle, but it won’t.
Nobody says tudca negates toxicity. It keeps bias ducts open so stuff keeps passing through the liver rather than getting backed up. It keeps things moving which keeps your liver from just swelling up holding all the toxins. That mitigates damage, but it doesn’t mean your liver isn’t under stress.

That’s all I’ve ever seen people say about tudca. Not sure what you’re reading.
 
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Your making **** up dumb ass.
You really know how to like yourself look stupid!!☹
You're right, I was. I was poking fun at you. It was rude and I try to hold myself to a higher standard than that. It just seems like you've been posting here as a person who has all the answers, and is treating other people like they are not as smart as you. People know more than you think, and you know less than you think. Jordan Peterson likes to say "assume the person you're listening to knows something you don't" otherwise you're only robbing yourself of a chance to learn. Again, I'm sorry I was rude, and I hope that if you continue to participate here you will treat us with the respect you would want to be treated with.
 
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You certainly won’t get any respect around here with a bad attitude and a know-nothing personality.
 
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I keep waiting for this Italone guy to say “Suprise, I’m actually HGP just trolling and pissing people off.” And everybody get a great laugh. But it hasn’t happened.
 
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Better than being an idiot who apparently uses fake gear and thusly has no real experience.
I am just leaving an A.A. meeting, and it saddens me that I missed this exchange. I tried to be nice to the guy tho and I guess I'll just play the ignore ItalOne game now.

BTW that other thread where you were talking about turning yellow and feeling like death BEFORE permanent liver damage? I guess I been skeert of nuthin lol
 
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Did I miss something?
 

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Yeah sorry for high jacking your thread. Definitely wasn’t my intention. As I said a few guys are sensitive to a different opinion. I gave mine and had people attack me like I was crazy! Of course of going to defend myself!
You’re delusional. You came in here saying DHB is useless, when lots of guys actually like it. If you’re going to offer an opinion, tell people you had bad experiences with it. You can’t state that as fact, because it’s simply false. Don’t act like a victim here. You came in here saying something that’s just wrong then started insulting everyone who disagreed with you.
 
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I think 1. People are too sensitive about other people's opinion. And 2. People are over exaggerating how good/bad a compound is. If i would give my opinion which i have before and bash some compound that people like it doesn't mean it wont work. A steroid will always work but obviously im not gonna be as thrilled with epistane as a guy that just did is first cycle and gain 20lbs. Dhb i havent tried and I'm sure its good and for some people the best theyve ever tried, for others its probably in the middle, stronger than primo and eq, weaker than tren, trest etc. The only "fact" is the myotropic effect it has in the body and as we don't always have these numbers you gotta go by real life experience of thousands of users. Dhb will end up being in the middle/higher end so its not gonna be the strongest but also not the weakest. To me this would mean it doesn't suck but its not overwhelmingly good as tren.
 
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I think 1. People are too sensitive about other people's opinion. And 2. People are over exaggerating how good/bad a compound is. If i would give my opinion which i have before and bash some compound that people like it doesn't mean it wont work. A steroid will always work but obviously im not gonna be as thrilled with epistane as a guy that just did is first cycle and gain 20lbs. Dhb i havent tried and I'm sure its good and for some people the best theyve ever tried, for others its probably in the middle, stronger than primo and eq, weaker than tren, trest etc. The only "fact" is the myotropic effect it has in the body and as we don't always have these numbers you gotta go by real life experience of thousands of users. Dhb will end up being in the middle/higher end so its not gonna be the strongest but also not the weakest. To me this would mean it doesn't suck but its not overwhelmingly good as tren.
The problem wasn’t his opinion. He was being a dick to multiple people on multiple threads. Just being a real idiot and not wanting to offer any real input that was helpful. I don’t jive with people like that, and nothing he says will hold any value to me now. He may be a really knowledgeable guy, but if you go out of your way to be an asshole and pick fights with several people on several threads, then I have no desire learn anything from him.

You Chados on the other hand are great. Great info and respectful even when disagreeing with someone.
 
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The problem wasn’t his opinion. He was being a dick to multiple people on multiple threads. Just being a real idiot and not wanting to offer any real input that was helpful. I don’t jive with people like that, and nothing he says will hold any value to me now. He may be a really knowledgeable guy, but if you go out of your way to be an asshole and pick fights with several people on several threads, then I have no desire learn anything from him.

You Chados on the other hand are great. Great info and respectful even when disagreeing with someone.
He’s said a few things I agree with. Just doesn’t matter to me because he’s stating everything as fact and condescending and challenging everyone’s knowledge and experience, even some damn knowledgeable guys that’ve been here’s decade plus.

After one week here.

Not interested; no thanks.
Can’t stand people like that.
We don’t need him here “tryna splain shyt” to us he regurgitated from whatever forum he recently was kicked off.
We don’t work like that here. We debate respectfully and learn from each other. Can’t learn anything from someone who thinks they have nothing more to learn. That’s actually the first sign of stupidity and ignorance, is believing there’s not a world full of information you haven’t learned yet and your views can’t be challenged. The “minds” in Anabolic minds really should deter forum jargon bro’s but sometimes it doesn’t.
 

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Are you still maintaining the same weight? If so, your maintenance calories may be lower than you think. I can def. see the difference in taper from waist to chest, losing some of those handles there.

This is my first time working with as little gear per week as I am now and I really have to watch my diet even though I'm bulking. Also feel like I have to train three times as hard to get gains.

I don't have any Var experience tho so there may be some variables I'm not aware of.
yes same weight. Its bizarre because i had an experience last year cutting that makes me question my maintenance calories.

i was bulking, eating roughly 3500 calories and gaining about a pound a week so i cut out 500 thinking i would be at maintenance. I stopped gaining weight. So i cut out another 500 calories expecting to start dropping weight but nothing happened. i waited 2-3 weeks and didnt lose a pound. So in retaliation i cut out about 700 more calories to put me at 1800 calories a day. Then i started to lose a pound a week.

In order for me to gain weight after cutting i had to add 1300-1500 calories to gain a pound a week. It took me months to put on just one pound because i was slowly adding calories. Its absolutely bizarre to me. If i need 3500 to gain a pound a week, then i should need about 3000 to maintain and 2500 to cut a pound a week. Right? But thats not the case for me, its like i need to eat 1000 below maintenance to lose a pound a week.

I also jumped on TRT at the time of my cut last year so that may have preserved my weight which may be leading to my confusion. What are your thoughts? If not TRT, what would cause me to not lose weight? Could my metabolism change?
 
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Is that a joke you were making or something because your statement lake's no logical sense. Are you saying that somehow they can make a 50 mg dbol pill in the US but if they try to do it anywhere else in the world it's most likely going to come apart? Because if that's what your saying like I said it makes no logical sense. The guy I asked runs an entire business and they are able to get the same pill pressing machines to Greece that they use in your US supplier.
I told a couple of places I would start reooing for them but I try to help you guys and end up with a response like that. Wouldn't you rather but 10 mg dbol you know are good, because I've used his 10 mg dbol several times and I am actually old enough to have used the old 5lg dbol in the 80s Arnold used. It was the same, I'd tell you if it is **** believe me. Or after what I told you you'd rather keep rolling the dice with 50mg dbol. And he's not the only one that's told me any 50mg dbol tab is underdosed. I'm just baffled by the logic in your response lolView attachment 183550
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He's not saying that at all .... Because he's referring to Anavar.

And rest assured .... If his Dr prescribed Anavar 50mg, and the Pharnacy filled the Prescription labeled 50mg Anavar, in the USA. ...... Then that is exactly what he has.
No Dr or Pharmacy in the USA would risk their license, and heavy fines and lawsuits, just to lie to a patient about mg dosage.
... No matter what your friend in Europe tells you.
 
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Pretty sure that Savient still makes name brand Oxandrin at 10mg, so there's definitely more than 2.5mg out there....
Yep. I don't personally remember seeing any 50s in person, from a US Pharmacy, but I saw his Script.
 
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I'm wrong they come in 2.5 and 10 mg tabs if your getting them from a Dr prescription. He's probably just getting from a UGL but like I said I was told 50 mg Anavar are possible to make.
But he's not getting 50 mg tabs from a pharmacy.
Yes, he is.
 
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Yes, it's Anavar 50mg, from a US pharmacy.
I have absolutely no reason to believe he's a liar.
He posted pics too. They’re legit.
Blacked out the name.
Compounding pharmacy I believe. They don’t come from Phizer, that’s for damn sure.
 
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My god the ignore feature is fantastic now. The old way sucked. This rules. No more retards.
 
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Nah i get it i mean just in general. I dont hate any steroid but many are very underwhelming when youve done a few cycles. A beginner saying a steroid is the bomb or an advanced user saying a steroid sucks should mostly be taken with a grain of salt. The need of stronger compounds becomes inevitable after a while.
Definitely a lot of genetic and metabolic variables that would change each person's experience with a compound. Diet, other compounds run simultaneously, hell the person's work ethic all have a bearing. I do think you can get a good sense of a compound you haven't run if you read enough people's experiences, that'll kinda balance it out.
 
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Update question. I feel like im not making progress fast enough, its been a couple months in a deficit now and im not happy with where im at.

Should i drop more calories?
Should i just be patient?
What kind of results should i see after a couple months in a 500-700 cal deficit?

I attached two pictures to show the progress so far. What do you guys think?

The first pic is the starting pic, the second is today
I'd like to give props to the most patient man in this thread. You've been extrenely patient, brother.

What are you running (gear-wise) right now?

Is your main concern dropping fat?
 
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The last few days ive been sitting at 2300 cals. I eat mostly proteins and fats, i shy away from carbs. I usually eat some before my workouts and maybe after. Ill eat some carbs, like 2 tortillas for example with 2 meals. So not a lot of carbs, just mostly around workout times.

I havent been doing cardio! Yesterday i went on a moderate intensity 50 minute hike and power walked up and down the hills. ill start doing more of that.
Sadly that's key (I'm not a fan, LOL).

That should change things a bit.
 

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Or even just add 30min on the elliptical 3x’s a week. Some dont need too much but i cant imagine dropping any considerable amount of fat without doing some cardio.
 
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I'd like to give props to the most patient man in this thread. You've been extrenely patient, brother.

What are you running (gear-wise) right now?

Is your main concern dropping fat?
Renew’s one of the nicest dudes on here.
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I LOVE blueberry pancakes! Especially ones with ricotta cheese and meringue folded into them... topped with blueberry spoon jam. Delicious!
Boy you gonna get me fat as hell.
 

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