Need a kickstarter...

[JBlaze]

I'm planning a lean mass only cycle for the summer. I plan to keep it relatively simple. I'm staying away from orals, and would perfer not to use prop b/c it gives me test flu. Do I have any other solid options besides a frontload (option 2)?

Option 1:
1-3 (need suggestions)
1-11 Test cyp: 750 mg/wk
1-10 Tren enan: 600 mg/wk

Option 2:
1-2 Test cyp: 1250 mg/wk
3-11 Test cyp: 750 mg/wk
1-2 Tren enan: 800 mg/wk
3-10 Tren enan: 600 mg/wk

 

[JBlaze]

Forgot to mention, I have no idea what my stats are right now. My weight is around 180 lbs at 9-10%. Going to run a quick DNP cycle which should hopefully take me down to about 7%.

This picture is from last year, but I look about the same. I'm a bit more musclular now, but have also added a little fat.

 

[Tha Don]

npp, tren ace, masteron, transdermal test/bold/tren/nandrolone... etc!

why is it you want to avoid orals completely?

 

[JBlaze]

npp, tren ace, masteron, transdermal test/bold/tren/nandrolone... etc!

why is it you want to avoid orals completely?

Bloating and dehydration issues are my main concern with most oral kickstarters. Also since I might be throwing in an oral to take with the fina, i'd rather keep it strictly inject.

I'm thinking about trying some Test Suspension or Bold Ace, but I might just frontload to keep it simpler.

 

[BigVrunga]

Howbout transdermal test base?

 

[jminis]

I'd say transdermal test base is your best option, oh and lower your test

 

[jmh80]

Yeah - I'd vote for a transdermal.

Although I remember Johnny21 saying he had major issues with test base crashing from the 'dermal.
So, maybe test acetate or propanioate would be better for solubility?

 

[JBlaze]

I'd say transdermal test base is your best option, oh and lower your test

Can't, I need it high to keep up with your girl. :run:

 

[JBlaze]

Yeah - I'd vote for a transdermal.

Although I remember Johnny21 saying he had major issues with test base crashing from the 'dermal.
So, maybe test acetate or propanioate would be better for solubility?

People mixing 10g of test base into T-gel seem to be ok, which is what i'll be doing.

Do you have a link though by any chance? I just did a quick search and didn't find anything.

 

[jmh80]

Let me see. It was his 40 day T-bol/trans test cycle.

I think I spelled his name wrong...

 

[jmh80]

It's either in here or he told me about it over PM.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/39429-40-day-transdermal-test-oral-turinabol.html

I'd look through it - but I gotta hit the gym. Arm day!!

 

[Ubiquitous]

Hmm.. the "test flu" generally goes away pretty quickly. Have you stuck it out before, or did you drop Prop as soon as the lethargy and ****ty feeling occured? You can try PhenylPropionate, but that's generally the same. I have no experience with transdermals, but I do think it's a good idea.

I have no faith in frontloading, as it never worked for me. I also have heard (don't quote me) that it actually raises your SHBG levels in an attempt to reach homeostasis. This is a bad thing. THe rest of your cycle would be hindered by it, if it's true.

I prefer to use Prop for 4-5 weeks until the Cyp reaches suitable levels..... I know you're aware of this method, it's a shame that you react so badly to Prop... I can only say maybe try a transdermal Test, or stick it out with Prop, or PhenylProp... I'm in complete agreement with you regarding not using Orals.

good luck with whatever you choose.

 

[motiv8er]

While I am no expert in all this, how does Proviron treat you Blaze? I know you said no orals, but something like proviron and test base TD. It might a good way to get a controlled blast without all of the symptoms you were hoping to avoid. Then again, it is an oral. So good luck.

 

[same_old]

i vote tbol. few sides, works pretty quick, and the gains are really good.

 

[JBlaze]

Hmm.. the "test flu" generally goes away pretty quickly. Have you stuck it out before, or did you drop Prop as soon as the lethargy and ****ty feeling occured? You can try PhenylPropionate, but that's generally the same. I have no experience with transdermals, but I do think it's a good idea.

I have no faith in frontloading, as it never worked for me. I also have heard (don't quote me) that it actually raises your SHBG levels in an attempt to reach homeostasis. This is a bad thing. THe rest of your cycle would be hindered by it, if it's true.

I prefer to use Prop for 4-5 weeks until the Cyp reaches suitable levels..... I know you're aware of this method, it's a shame that you react so badly to Prop... I can only say maybe try a transdermal Test, or stick it out with Prop, or PhenylProp... I'm in complete agreement with you regarding not using Orals.

good luck with whatever you choose.

I've run prop several times in the past (as I did not realize it was the prop that was making me feel so bad) both as a kickstarter and along with fina for short cycles.

Soon after I start my prop, I start waking up sick to my stomach and extremely lethargic. This usually goes away midway through the day, but happens to me every single morning on prop.

Combined with the fact that prop the only androgen that causes my thigh/glute to be sore the morning after inj, I've decided to just give it up.

 

[JBlaze]

While I am no expert in all this, how does Proviron treat you Blaze? I know you said no orals, but something like proviron and test base TD. It might a good way to get a controlled blast without all of the symptoms you were hoping to avoid. Then again, it is an oral. So good luck.

Thats exactly what i was thinking actually. I've never used either (though I've wanted to use proviron in the past) so it'll be nice to experiment with those two.

I'm thinking 50mg/ED of the proviron will be enough for me, but i'd love suggestions on the duration.

 

[jminis]

Can't, I need it high to keep up with your girl. :run:

You sure do, she said you better up the dose to 2g of Test/week to make up for your small unit

 

[JBlaze]

You sure do, she said you better up the dose to 2g of Test/week to make up for your small unit

****, 2g test/wk sounds good to me!!! :twisted:

 

[BigVrunga]

****, 2g test/wk sounds good to me!!!

Throw in 1g of Cialis for good measure, you can never be too hardcore!

BV

 

[motiv8er]

Throw in 1g of Cialis for good measure, you can never be too hardcore!

BV

HARDcore

HEHE

 

[JBlaze]

Final propsed cycle:

1-3 Test dermal: 200 mg/ed
1-11 Test cyp: 750 mg/wk
1-10 Tren enan: 600 mg/wk
1-10 Proviron: 50mg/ed

Opinions? I might cut off the proviron sooner though I don't see it causing any complications.

 

[Ubiquitous]

looks pretty good. Maybe extend the TD to 4-5 weeks?

I don't even know if Proviron is really needed.... although it can't really hurt... I like what it does in terms of SHBG at least.

 

[jminis]

You know my opinion sissy boy, I like to stagger the dosing so I gain throughtout my cycle instead of just the first 6 weeks.

 

[glenihan]

i would extend the TD for 5 maybe 6 weeks as the cyp won't really start kicking until then

of course slathering yourself 2x a day with a TD for 6 weeks seems like a PITA, but i suppose better than injecting susp 2x a day for 6 weeks