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Mr.50's TST Log!

motiv8er said:
ALCAR+CM+Taurine+XTEND= One happy Hooker. ME :twisted:
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I'm on almost the exact same thing (ALCAR+CEE+Taurine+Xtend). I'll be adding some Tyrosine to the mix soon, too.

OK, don't want to get the thread too far off point
 
OK so today was a leg workout. I did feel more fatigued today during the workout but it could be because I went up in weights again on every
exercise :twisted: . Also I look like I am still losing mid section fat. I have now been taking 2 Ultra Hotter per night but I still look a little smoother then I might expect. Still overall my face is starting to look leaner also and my pants are looser. It could be the smoothness is from tanning and still getting a little red each time I go to tan. The body is taking a bit of time this year to build a good tanning base.

Besides that nothing else to really note. Mood and libido are still good. I am looking forward to my meeting with the scale and tape measure this Sunday.

By the way bp was still normal and the fatigue I felt during cardio seemed to be a passing thing.


Mr.50
 
So today is day 16 on the TST and the first day of the 5th week of Bobo's weight loss program.

The weigh in today was good. Total of 200lbs. Measurements are as follows:

Chest 48 in.
Shoulders 53 in
R. Bicep 17.25 in
L. Bicep 17.25 (what the, in one week)
R. Calf 16.25 in
L. Calf 16 in
R. Thigh 25.5 in
L. Thigh 25.25 in
Waist Pants - 36.5 in
Umbilicus - 37.5 in

So overall things are progressing in the right direction. I still want to lose a lot more weight from my waist but I guess it just takes time. I am starting to look much better in the gym as far as separation of major muscle groups.
I stopped the Ultra Hotter because it did not seem to be helping the bloat and I did notice that my strenght got stagnent this week. No increases on weight or reps. The same weight felt harder this week the last. This is all probably due to the weight loss.

Libido has still been good. As well as general feeling of well being. Overall very pleased. Just impatient to get more ripped.

Mr.50
 
Looks like your making some pretty solid measurement gains (bis, legs) while cutting, nice work and great log so far
 
I've noticed the same on Bobo's Deluxe Weightloss Program in terms of strength around the 4th-5th week. It's normal to kind of temporarily plateu when your dieting, especialy if cals have been slightly cut back.

Size seems steady and consistent which is a great sign.

Keep it up Mr.50 ;)
 
Thanks for the Support Bro.

Mr.50

stryder said:
I've noticed the same on Bobo's Deluxe Weightloss Program in terms of strength around the 4th-5th week. It's normal to kind of temporarily plateu when your dieting, especialy if cals have been slightly cut back.

Size seems steady and consistent which is a great sign.

Keep it up Mr.50 ;)
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Thanks for this log! Overall, and by now you should really be able to tell, how does this compare to other supplements?
 
I am quite happy with it knowbull. It seems to give a good anabolic boost stronger then the old non-methyls (4AD, etc) even if it is not as strong as some of the methyls. This anabolic boost is accompanied by significant strength gains and a strong libido and mood boost. Overall I will be continuing to use TST untill all my bottles are gone) throughout future cycles as a base and even in combination with other chemicals as an addition.

Mr.50

Knowbull said:
Thanks for this log! Overall, and by now you should really be able to tell, how does this compare to other supplements?
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Would it be safe, or even effective to ramp up the dose to 4-6 daily do you think or better to stack if necessary. I have 2 bottles that I am seriously considering stacking with either some dermal 1T or possibly MaxLMG at low dosage.
 
I'm not sure that ramping would be any safer.
I'm starting at 2 mgs. TST and TRN just to see how that dose does.

Actually, maybe ramping wouldn't cause such rapid weight gains (as with SD).
 
Tough call but I can tell you that at 1 cap three times per day I have experienced no side effects except that now in my third week I am starting to have a slight increase in acne and oily skin. And I mean slight increase by my standards.

So higher dosages might be fine. With that said I am getting pretty good results on this compound by itself, with 3 caps per day, and reduced calories and a pretty significant amount of total energy expenditure from exercise, so you can connect the dots. :)

Mr.50
 
50,

What are you thoughts on TST aromatization and bloat? Do you feel like it's a 'wet' compound?
 
Slightly wet doggzj. It appears I am holding a little water but not too bad. It did seem when I added Ultra Hotter that the water did not get much better and my strength started to go down. I guess the real test will be when I finish the run of TST and go into PCT if in the first few days I look like I dropped water. Whatever the case it really isn't too bad even if there is some water retention.

Mr.50

doggzj said:
50,

What are you thoughts on TST aromatization and bloat? Do you feel like it's a 'wet' compound?
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Mr.50 said:
Slightly wet doggzj. It appears I am holding a little water but not too bad. It did seem when I added Ultra Hotter that the water did not get much better and my strength started to go down. I guess the real test will be when I finish the run of TST and go into PCT if in the first few days I look like I dropped water. Whatever the case it really isn't too bad even if there is some water retention.

Mr.50
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Along those same lines I have added in 25-50 mgs of ATD orally. In two days whatever bloat I was experiencing has deminshed.
 
Maybe I would have better luck with ATD (instead of Ultra Hotter) I had good luck with regular Ultra Hot but I have a good amoun of Hotter on hand so I thought I would give it a try.

Mr.50

motiv8er said:
Along those same lines I have added in 25-50 mgs of ATD orally. In two days whatever bloat I was experiencing has deminshed.
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So slightly bad news tonight. I made some bad choices and cheated on my diet tonight. It was not situational either. I had more then enough time to plan ahead and eat correctly. And the worst part is that I have a wedding to go to on Friday night and Easter on Sunday. Not a good sign for this weeks dieting. Tonight was an inexcusable slip up to with the guys I box with. Once a month they go to a Italian Club scholarship dinner (we eat tons of food and the money goes to scholarships)
Anyway, please do not be surprised if this weekend's measurements are not great.

On a better note my libido is still good.

I am starting to feel like I am slightly overtraining though, run down, fatigued, by the time I get home at night I feel like I am going to drop, etc. Skin has also been getting increasingly worse, still its not bad by my standards when I say "worse" usually that means bad.

Took my bp this morning and it was 123/78 and my pulse was 58 bmp. The key to this was this was right after I ran up the stairs, so not too bad.

Besides that I am still really loving this compound and I can not see a good reason not to run this as the base of all cycles where true test is not included.

Mr.50
 
I dont think slight variations in diet will significantly goof results, nor occasional overtraining. I think everyone does that to a certain extent, maybe go for higher reps instead of more lbs. on lifts, that should lessen CNS shock somewhat and give good hypertrophy.
 
Thanks bro. Easter updates tomorrow.

Mr.50

Knowbull said:
I dont think slight variations in diet will significantly goof results, nor occasional overtraining. I think everyone does that to a certain extent, maybe go for higher reps instead of more lbs. on lifts, that should lessen CNS shock somewhat and give good hypertrophy.
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4/16/06 Updates

So this is the 24th day on TST 3 caps per day and the first day of the Sixth Week on Bobo's Deluxe Weight Loss program.


I have to say that overall I am very pleased in every way on both fronts.

I have maintained weight and waist has shrunk yet again even with some somewhat bad eating days. (Measurements to follow). Libido is actually through the roof this week almost to the point that it is a very unusual feeling. Not really in a bad way though, but almost annoying. I guess it is a side effect I will take though since summertime is coming up and there will be outlets for this type of "energy"

Skin is calming down again so it may have been a fluke rather then a true flare up from the TST.

Another variable is that I will be starting a log/test of IBE's AOD9604 GH frag tomorrow. Last day of the TST is this coming Thursday (4 weeks) So I doubt there will be too much crossover. I will be starting PCT from the TST as soon as it runs out. A very basic PCT with Clomid 300mgs the first day, 100 per day for 2 weeks thereafter and then 50 mgs per day for 2 more weeks. Also some of USP's Tribulus, and Maca and Fenu.

About two weeks into PCT I hope also to add in ALR's Jungle Warfare which is supposed to be good for LBM gains and can be used as a PCT adjunct.

Also after I feel that I am recorvered pretty well I am going to kick in some Melting Point and Heat (Avant) but that will not be for some weeks.

BP has still been good 123/78 when I got back from the gym today.

SO on to the measurements.

Wieght 201lbs

Shoulders 53 in
Chest 48 in
Waist Pants 36 in
Umbilicus 37 in
R. Bicep 17.25
L. Bicep 17.25
R. Thigh 25.5
L. THigh 25.25
R. Calf 16.25
L. Calf 16 1/8 in

So overall I am really pleased.

Of course today I have Easter dinner so it could all go very badly but I think I will survive one meal.

Mr.50
 
Sorry for not posting in a couple of days guys. My grandfather has been sick and in the hospital.

Everything is status quo here. Still making progress and losing some weight/fat. Nothing too drastic. Been strict with the diet and exercise since Easter.

Libido and mood is still up but strength has leveled off. Probably because of the further weight loss. We will see with this weekend's measurements.


Mr.50
 
Mr.50 said:
Libido and mood is still up but strength has leveled off. Probably because of the further weight loss. We will see with this weekend's measurements.

Mr.50
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:rofl: :rofl:

I wouldn't be too upset here!

Lets see...

Down 4lbs, and waist is down 1.5in,
But all other measurements way up!
and strength is up! And you are having positive mood and libido with almost no real sides.

Sounds like a dream :)
 
You are absolutely right bro. I should have been more clear. Certainly no complaints. I am very pleased with this compound and with that said I feel it has offered the best combination of effects of any of the "over the counter" hormones of the last few years. Of course I am sure the rest of my results would not have been significant without strict adherance to my diet and exercise as laid out by the head clown.

Mr.50

doggzj said:
:rofl: :rofl:

I wouldn't be too upset here!

Lets see...

Down 4lbs, and waist is down 1.5in,
But all other measurements way up!
and strength is up! And you are having positive mood and libido with almost no real sides.

Sounds like a dream :)
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Because I'm lazy, when you post stats again - can you post the "delta" from starting stats right next to it???
 
Ah yes. Very good point. I will post the weekly measurement and the total change over the course of the last 4 weeks.


Mr.50


jmh80 said:
Because I'm lazy, when you post stats again - can you post the "delta" from starting stats right next to it???
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So here we have it guys. Today is my final post in this log. I have been on TST for 31 days. I will be ending my run of TST as soon as my bottles of Tor are in from IBE which should be early this week.

This is also the start of my seventh week on Bobo's weight loss program which I am also very pleased with.

Final Stats

206 lbs (Somehow up 5 pounds this week even though diet and exercise were 100% since Easter. How this is possible I have no clue. But please see my AOD9604 log in IBE's forum for thoughts)

Starting weight 205.25 lbs.

So actually a weight gain of .75 pounds total.

Initial Final
Chest 47.5 in 48.5 in
Shoulders 52.5 in 53.5 in
R. Bicep 17 in 17.75 in
L. Bicep 16 1/8 in 17.5 in
R. Thigh 24 in 25.75
L. Thigh 24 in 25.25
R. Calg 16 in 16.25 in
L. Calf 16 in 16.25
Waist 37.5 in 36 in
Umbilicus 39.25 37 in


So overall pretty good size gains. For 4 weeks on a cutting diet.

The fat loss has not been as extreme as I would have hoped. I am hoping that during PCT some additional sub-q water will be lost. I am going ot continue Bobo's program for 2 more weeks during PCT and then probably take a week off (not toally but more like active rest) and then run it again with a fucus on really getting ripped up for the summer.

Thanks for watching.

For the continuing story please see my GH frag lod in IBE's forum.


Mr.50
 
Good job man...Adding almost an inch everywhere on your body whilst leaning out sounds like a pretty stellar cycle...What would be your final thoughts for stacking purposes with this 50?..I know something like that may just be conjecture considering you didn't stack, but your thoughts would nonetheless be appreciated.
 
Thanks bro.

I feel like it is a slightly wet compound so stacking it with something dry would be my type of stack. No need for me too add too much water bulk. So I would try to stack it with either, TRN, M4OHN, or H-50. Also for those who like SD that may be a very good stack. It seemed to keep libido high so that is always a plus when using a dry mostly anabolic compound.

I would not use it with PP or Ergo. It may be interesting for some but it could be really wet and way too much size. But depends on what your goals are.

Mr.50

Mulletsoldier said:
Good job man...Adding almost an inch everywhere on your body whilst leaning out sounds like a pretty stellar cycle...What would be your final thoughts for stacking purposes with this 50?..I know something like that may just be conjecture considering you didn't stack, but your thoughts would nonetheless be appreciated.
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Hmmm, that was along the lines I was thinking..What would you think about TST as the base for a six weeker, with maybe SD for the first three, TRN for the next three..I think that could either be a killer stack, or completely uneccessary..What are your thoughts?
 
Sounds good to me as long as your enjoy SD.

Mr.50


Mulletsoldier said:
Hmmm, that was along the lines I was thinking..What would you think about TST as the base for a six weeker, with maybe SD for the first three, TRN for the next three..I think that could either be a killer stack, or completely uneccessary..What are your thoughts?
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I am impressed by you losing 2.25 at your umbilicus, congrats! I dropped mine from 38.5 inches to 34.5 inches but it took me almost 4 months!
 
Thanks bro. I have Bobo to thank for the great diet and exercise program to get me on the right track. Of course the TST did not hurt either but the diet and exercise are the main factors in the fat loss.


Mr.50

krenalor said:
I am impressed by you losing 2.25 at your umbilicus, congrats! I dropped mine from 38.5 inches to 34.5 inches but it took me almost 4 months!
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Uh oh.... I am adding Pheraplex to my TST in a few days..... haha Well I am trying to gain as much wieght as possible so I guess it wont be a problem. Next time I plan on using it with TRN AND HD.
 
The Don,

Don't worry if you are an ectomorph and usually don't hold too much water it will probably be good for you. I just hold a slight bit of water usually but I am a meso/endo (towards the endo) so I have to watch out. Also I am sure between PP and TST your libido will be through the roof so watch out.

Mr.50

thedon3534 said:
Uh oh.... I am adding Pheraplex to my TST in a few days..... haha Well I am trying to gain as much wieght as possible so I guess it wont be a problem. Next time I plan on using it with TRN AND HD.
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I added PP to 4AD/19nor and it was definitely too wet. It's taken 6 weeks of pct to dry out and lean out. Way too much water and fat..and I'm an ecto. Of course, dirty bulking didn't help lol. Gained 21 pounds, cut down to 11 pound lbm retained.
 
looks like im bout to be one big ass OAF! hah but seriously... I am 245 about 13-14% bodyfat 6 foot 2. I want to be around 260-265 at the end of this.
 
I'm thinking of tst and prostan (megazol) for a six week cutter. Hopefully the bloodwork for tst is pretty reasonable. SD is really brutal on the inside and I felt REALLY CRAPPY throughout pct. (more than anything else I have used) IMO subjective feelings play a pretty big role in cycling. I'm raising kids and cannot afford to get stressed over LITTLE THINGS in front of them. For the most part I have had GREAT experiences with AAS (just gotta toss the ones that make you moody)
 
The Don,

You will likely attain your goals with a PP/TST stack. Watch out but it will be a fun ride.


Papa, I am with you on the SD. It was not for me. I think that a TST/Prostan stack might work out pretty nicely as a cutter.

I do not have the funds for blood work right now but maybe in a couple of weeks once I am into PCT a bit I will have freed up some cash by then. None the less subjectivly I feel pretty healthy. Knock on wood........

Mr.50
 
I seriously freaked on SD. Extreme depression, anger..it was terrible. Never doing that again. PP is like a happy pill..absurdly good mood.
 
Sounds just like me on SD bro. Plus I had the dreded lack of libido.

Mr.50

bioman said:
I seriously freaked on SD. Extreme depression, anger..it was terrible. Never doing that again. PP is like a happy pill..absurdly good mood.
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Mr.50 said:
The Don,

You will likely attain your goals with a PP/TST stack. Watch out but it will be a fun ride.


Papa, I am with you on the SD. It was not for me. I think that a TST/Prostan stack might work out pretty nicely as a cutter.

I do not have the funds for blood work right now but maybe in a couple of weeks once I am into PCT a bit I will have freed up some cash by then. None the less subjectivly I feel pretty healthy. Knock on wood........

Mr.50
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Can you compare TSt to Ergo or PP in terms of libidio, mood,BP,bloat, how fast you felt 'on' compared to one another. I'm not talking about stacking, just one compared to the other.
I had to stop PP at week 3 for BP and bloat( up till then it was great)., I would like to find something to stack with PP to help with the bloat. Zol didn't cut it but ATD helped
 
I do not think that this is the compound to stack with PP to reduce bloat.

With that said I can tell you that the results of TST in my opinion are very similar to PP or Ergo but not as extreme. They are more suttle in every way the good and the bad.

The bloat is less, the libido boost is noticable but less then PP or Ergo.

The boost in mood is about the same maybe slightly less.

Strength gains are slightly less and the duration of onset is slower.

With all that said it is still a great compound because it has all those effects in a more steady way without the bloat and without so much shut down (it seems). I think both compounds have their place but for something that might be used more then once a year TST is the way to go.

Mr.50
 
So Mr 50 hows ur PCT coming along? Strength, weight, size,libido. Im about ready to start my cycle. Just waiting to see how pct goes for ya.
 
This is only the third day for me on PCT but it seems like the boys are coming back already. I will do vast updates to my two current logs (in sig) tomorrow.

Mr.50

Gettinpumped said:
So Mr 50 hows ur PCT coming along? Strength, weight, size,libido. Im about ready to start my cycle. Just waiting to see how pct goes for ya.
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