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motiv8er's tst/trn log:

motiv8er

motiv8er

Well-known member
Hey gang,
I was selected by BioScience Technologies to log/ review their M-tst/M-trn stack. I will give both the cycle and log all the effort and fairness needed to produce honest info on these two newer products. Let's get it on!!!

My Background:
6'3
207 lbs at near 12% BF
I have been dieting the last three months. Before Christmas I was at 230lbs and around 16.5- 17% BF. The fattest I have ever been, and strongest. I just completed about 4 weeks on the ALRI stack of Venom 3.0, Thyrogen-x, and lean dreams. It was VERY strong. I started at 220 lbs and am at a solid 207. The first week really kicked my butt, I had a hard time eating ANYTHING. I spent the next three weeks trying to not go hypo or catabolic. My strength did suffer some, but that has been mostly in strength endurance. Where I used to be able to get 10 reps of a weight, I can now only get 8-9 now.

I will be eating slightly above maintence on this stack. My goals are to consume around 300 grams of protein, 300 grams of carbs, and 100 grams of fats. Depending on how I am recovering, I will adjust accordingly. I eat 5-6 meals a day, focusing on carbs and protein in the AM with some fats, and more proteins and fats towards the evening. I am lean enough now I am going hypo faster and able to feel cold sooner. I know I am getting pretty lean when this starts happening. Beowulf has introduced me to Fiber One, and this helps big time with my not cracking out as easily.

I train with weights 4 days a week, I do cardio 5 times a week varying from 20-60 minutes. I like to go as hard and fast on cardio as I can without puking or dieing. I train abs 3 days a week. I stretch both in between sets for 30 seconds, and at the very end of training a few days a week for 10-20 minutes. I am moving to Hollywood on June 1st and I am looking to be in the best, fight ready shape that I can be in.

What I am looking for out of this stack is hardening, defination, and strength increases. Weight gain is of no concern AS LONG as there is serious recomping going on. Weight gain wouldn't be a bad thing as long as its LBM. I have an idea of what these products are supposed to be, but right now it is just conjecture.

I will be posting on a few boards, so please excuse me if I am a little slow getting back to you. But I will be happy to answer all I can. I am taking one of each product 3x a day. I am off to the gym in a little while. Today isn't a heavy weights day but a supplemental day. I have already lifted 4 times this week and now will hit my lagging parts today. I will let you know how it goes!
 
Subscrizzled with fries and a Coke! Bizatch. :D
 
motiv8er said:
Beowulf has introduced me to Fiber One, and this helps big time with my not cracking out as easily.
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Fiber One kicks ass!! I get the Honey Clusters.:thumbsup:

Good Luck on the log.

Subizzle-scrizzeled.
 
looking forward to it.
especially as we are similar size (i am a fair bit lighter than you though)
You gonna post before/after pics?
 
Day 3:
Weight, First thing in AM-- 209lbs
I have no initial impressions of the product as of yet. I have had a very aggressive few days of action. On Saturday I did legs. I have been rehabing an injured right knee, I have been able to lift with some reasonable weights now for a month. I noticed no change other than normal soreness after legs. Six to eight weeks ago the pain would have been abnormaly high and structurally not smart. I was happy to lift enough weight where I wasn't self-conscience. And walk away. (SMILE)

On Sunday, I was asked by my parents to do some very hard labor. My little brother(motiv8erjr) and went to town all Sunday on two dump truck loads of mulch. It took the two of us working non-stop for five hours plus and eighty wheel-boro loads each to finish the job. We stopped for shakes and trail mix( heavy on the nuts) and not much else. The New York Strip Dinner went over well. (SMILE)

Monday:
Fvck mulch. My obliques are on FIRE. Wrist is a little tender and I am walking a little funny. So far so good. Today is shoulders and triceps with cardio after. Everything went well. I went into the workout with no carbs to boost some fat-burning. This worked well. By the end of a 20 minute intermediate cardio session at the end, I was cashed. Fvck mulch. (SMILE) I had no change in strength or endurance. I wasn't expecting any. I was pretty please with my ability.

My diet and rest have been going good. Being off the ALRI stack is nice. No nose bleeds and grenade-like stool. My metabolism is still moving very rapidly. Fiber One sure is my friend. Fvck mulch.

Thanks for all the subscribizzles.
 
Well, this is my fourth TST thread subscription, this sh!t better live up to the hype. Good Luck!
 
Yeah I'm guessing within the next week things are going to really start kicking in for everyone. Orals usually take 10-12 days to really start working. Next week should be good.
 
Alright, time for some more updates!
I am starting to see some very sure signals of the cycle. I am having a constant "pleasant" feeling. I am having some breakouts on my back and neck. I am thinking about sex even more than I was, if that is possible. Nothing over the top, but enough I am noticing chicks I normally wouldn't look twice at. My lifts are up a rep or two more, but better than that my recovery time in between sets is going down. I really like that. I haven't noticed any loss of cardio, but possibly an increase in ability. It is too early to tell. I am hungry more than I was before I started the stack, but that may have been expected too. I made some of the sickest omelettes this weekend. The whole wheat waffles after the omelettes were pretty sick too! My weight is pretty much the same, although my arms are starting to look harder. Some of the veins I started to see with my weightloss stack are really jumping out. I really look foward to the next few weeks. I would say the product is kicking in without a doubt. I would also like to bump the TST up in dosage, but will keep it at 3 X 1 per BioSciences' request. I have also had to bump up my prostate and BP supps. Tren and orals have always aggrevated those two areas with me. I haven't noticed any fat loss but hell, I have been hungry 24-7 and eating close to 500 cals over maintence. So we'll see...
 
what supps do u take for the BP ????? I am on my last bottle of S1+, and yea I am looking at women and thinking yea I,d hit it, and then thinking I never really noticed her before, ahh to be young again......
 
RipdnTxs said:
I am on my last bottle of S1+, and yea I am looking at women and thinking yea I,d hit it, and then thinking I never really noticed her before, ahh to be young again......
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Yeah that S1+ is some good stuff, still have four bottles left.:thumbsup:
 
I take potassium, Hawthorn Berry, I am on NOW Brand's Heart Combo of CoQ 10, Milk Thistle, ALA, RYR about 8 months of the year. I cycle that just because it is junk foreign to my body. I also think* (Not proven!) Taurine helps with BP. I take NOW Brands ADAM, some good ole cranberry juice, and a prostate care supp. I've done some serious aggrevating with clen, ECA, orals and whatnot.
 
good luck...I'll be using the same with m-zol added in next month. Looking forward to seeing your results.

h19
 
Ok, it is time for an update:
I weighed 212 this AM. Up 5 pounds total from the start two weeks ago. I think I am losing some fat. SO the actual weight gain is looking very good on me. My lifts are close to where they were when I started cutting 4 months ago. I find that very exciting. My endurance is about the same. I am eating 300-500 cals over maintence. My appeitite is more under control than when I ceased the Venom. I am keeping my protein around 300 grams daily. I am truly feeling the gym sweet spot of this stack right now. Nothing like weighing more and getting leaner to make you a believer. I am seeing more veins and defination than ever before. My recovery in the gym is very, very fast. This is on the way to being one of the best hormonal experiences I've had. I look foward to this next week with anticipation.
M
 
Oh yeah, I am greasy and breaking out with zits too...
 
I am trying to get all my thoughts out at once. I am strong right now. I am adding creatine back into the mix. I am hoping it may give me a little boost and I wanted to start using it after being off of it for a month. I will be taking 3-5 CEE a day. I am looking much harder. I am still retaining more water/ fat in my chest than I would like. I am contemplating throwing in 25mgs of ATD ed to help with what I feel is an estrogenic type situation. It was pre-existing for the record. I am looking bigger and harder. I am getting compliments now from people who hadn't seen me in a month or two. I can dig it!! I am still using higher than normal BP and Prostate supps. My first two weeks between the Venom and this stack I had quite a few nosebleeds. So keep that in mind if you are sensitive like that. Tonight will be shoulders/ triceps/ cardio 30 minutes.
I'll let you know how it goes.
M
 
Superscribedx2 with large friesx2, apple piex2, and a diet coke.








[Guess the fat lady is on a diet, and yea she ate all that! Don't go to McDoanalds and order a pile of **** and a diet coke, you aren't fooling anyone. And I am not the "skinny" guy at 14% bodyfat, you are a lardass]
 
It sounds awesome how well you are putting on LBM and lowering BF... I can't wait to start this cycle!! You've made a few referrences to BP, but how bad would you say it is affecting you? I was just wondering if throwing something in like an ECA supp would be an instant heartattack or not. Just looking for some feedback.

HL
 
From what I've been told, taking the recommended dosage of TST does not considerably affect BP as other compounds such as SD for example...
 
Have your heard anything concrete about M-TRN? Tren has elevated, aggrevated a few of my system in the past. Would you imagine that to be the culprit? Otherwise, I may just be really sensitive. Nate--go get me some lotion!:run:
 
Not sure motiv8er...did a brief search on AM and only found an indirect reference to TRN and BP, so nothing concrete that I could find...yet.
 
Hey Motiv8tor

My exp in anabolics is limited, but from what I do know it's the compound causing the bleeds. On my Halodrol cycle I had about 6 bleeds in the first week. My BP never got over 125/75. If your BP is undercontrol, just try not to blow too hard or bang your nose and you'll prevent a majority of them.
 
I also had nosebleeds on Ergomax, which raised my blood pressure a bit. There is a direct correlation between blood pressure and nosebleeds, among other side effects. I notice that the higher blood pressure caused some headaches and also, I would sometimes get this feeling around my neck where it was almost hard to breathe and a bit uncomfortable. It almost felt like there was a collar or something around my neck.
 
MattHines said:
I also had nosebleeds on Ergomax, which raised my blood pressure a bit. There is a direct correlation between blood pressure and nosebleeds, among other side effects. I notice that the higher blood pressure caused some headaches and also, I would sometimes get this feeling around my neck where it was almost hard to breathe and a bit uncomfortable. It almost felt like there was a collar or something around my neck.
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I'd think your BP was a little bit more than a *BIT* high from the symptoms you describe. Be safe man.
 
MattHines said:
I also had nosebleeds on Ergomax, which raised my blood pressure a bit. There is a direct correlation between blood pressure and nosebleeds, among other side effects. I notice that the higher blood pressure caused some headaches and also, I would sometimes get this feeling around my neck where it was almost hard to breathe and a bit uncomfortable. It almost felt like there was a collar or something around my neck.
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So... Tell me what your bloodpressure did? Did you keep a log?

I really thought that there was a correlation between my own blood pressure, my nosebleeds, and my headaches, until I started measureing my own blood pressure, documented my nosebleeds, and headaches, and didn't find any such correlation.
At the times when I felt my blood pressure was elevated, and my necks was stiff, I would measure my blood pressure, and find that it was normal.
Everybody is different. I'm just telling you what I found.
Measure, and record. You may be as surprised by your results, as I was. Yes, there is no doubt that my blood pressure rises during a cycle.

-Tinytoad
 
TINYTOAD said:
So... Tell me what your bloodpressure did? Did you keep a log?

I really thought that there was a correlation between my own blood pressure, my nosebleeds, and my headaches, until I started measureing my own blood pressure, documented my nosebleeds, and headaches, and didn't find any such correlation.
At the times when I felt my blood pressure was elevated, and my necks was stiff, I would measure my blood pressure, and find that it was normal.
Everybody is different. I'm just telling you what I found.
Measure, and record. You may be as surprised by your results, as I was. Yes, there is no doubt that my blood pressure rises during a cycle.

-Tinytoad
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I didnt keep a detailed log but I checked my BP every few days and it stayed over the regular level by about 10 points or so...the readings varied. I find it very odd that you did not find a correlation between your blood pressure and those side effects. Think about what higher blood pressure means and the effects that we discussed...it makes perfect sense that if the pressure is higher, nose bleeds will happen more frequently. the same applies to the neck pressure and headaches.

if your BP was not high when you had these effects, then what do you attribute them to?
 
maybe he had a sinus infection..or something. I know some supplements make my nostrils EXTREMELY dry. I'm not on anything right now and about an hour ago i blew my nose and it started bleeding a little.

maybe he's a coke head...lol j/k...

h19
 
the nosebleeds were just 1 thing that pointed to high BP. given, i was training MMA and doing boxing but anytime i would get hit in the nose, it would bleed...crazy stuff. the stiffness in the neck was another definite sign.
 
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