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motiv8er's tst/trn log:

I know when I did Sd and Finigenx(boy was that an awesome stack!!) I knew my bp waws sky high, constant headaches, and yes nose bleeds. SO there is a relation between high bp and nose bleeds. Also Motiv8er, I don't know how close the Mega-TRN is to real tren, but tren was definately one of the worst offenders for me in the bp category.
 
look..when you do winny and tren to together you can have issues of BP...that should be general knowledge you should never have to ask..search once and you will know
..bottom line when you have EXTREMELY high bp it needs to flow somewhere and your nose is your only spot

if you can either post a picture of you and your nose bleed along with you and your NOn high blood pressure...you can calm folks down...ME?..if you are from jersey or the east coast...i'd prefer you told me that. I know some "peeps" on both coasts that can give me a reading of the air quality at wil..(or course provided they are not busy"...

bottom line, nose bleeds during a cycle can not only be contributed to ANYTYTHING.....bottom line..maybe he had too much dairy and became lactose intolerant...bottom line...

be helpful before you talk ****


or if side b (the you def had high bp) side....can post his diet...bottom line...lets go.....

h19
 
I ran winny/test and my bp got to like
220/110... Yeah... freaky high.

BP meds work sure.. but its best not to get your **** too high. Increased BP to a point is ok on cycle, but as you would know, too high kills you and high for too long kills you too (or extra stress resulting in reduced lifespan).

I wonder what Ronnies BP is like without Bp lowering drugs? They work really well, but I ****n hate the sides (MANY undocumented in my case).

hamper19 said:
look..when you do winny and tren to together you can have issues of BP...that should be general knowledge you should never have to ask..search once and you will know
..bottom line when you have EXTREMELY high bp it needs to flow somewhere and your nose is your only spot

if you can either post a picture of you and your nose bleed along with you and your NOn high blood pressure...you can calm folks down...ME?..if you are from jersey or the east coast...i'd prefer you told me that. I know some "peeps" on both coasts that can give me a reading of the air quality at wil..(or course provided they are not busy"...

bottom line, nose bleeds during a cycle can not only be contributed to ANYTYTHING.....bottom line..maybe he had too much dairy and became lactose intolerant...bottom line...

be helpful before you talk ****


or if side b (the you def had high bp) side....can post his diet...bottom line...lets go.....

h19
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When blood pressure rises too high, some people will experience shortness of breath, which can be felt either has like having a constriction at the neck area or at the chest area. Both of these are symptoms that are considered official warning signs of a heart attack...
 
Updates:
Weight 209.5
I added in ATD about 5 days ago, it has been the key for me. Somewhere around 50 mgs a day has taken away some preexisting bloat and any caused by the stack. I now look the best I have looked (subjective) in about 7 months. I know this because the people who see me everday are making comments all the time. I'd say my body fat is around 11.5% I am about 1.5% away from a really solid looking body. Really solid.

I am really pleased to report where my strength is. My recovery is through the roof, while working with 80-85% of 1 RM lifts and being almost full recovered in 1.5 minutes for another working set. I am setting some PR's, which blows my mind with me eating just above maintence.

I am only able to sleep 6 hours a night and getting FULLY recovered. I have had this issue with certain androgens before. I don't mind except I've programmed myself to believe SLEEP=RECOVERY. Which is usually true. But I won't argue with the results or the numbers.

My diet has been at 100% and maybe a little over. My focus in the gym is slightly overtraining. I am going 5-6 days a week. Every muscle group is getting worked at least once, the lagging ones twice. My cardio is around 30 minutes per day, using 1 gram of Citrilline Malate pre workout and being very happy with the gym results.

I have found what may be my favorite oral OTC stack ever. (shameless plug)
 
SO this is where the log gets disgustingly good! Last night I did back/ biceps and had a great workout! I was able to add weight and reps to both reverse pulldowns and T-bar rows. I felt like Beelze sqeezing out some new PRs. The most amazing thing is I am doing it at right above maintence. I've noticed in the past when I go super heavy on back that my biceps workout suffers majorly. I was as strong as if I was fresh, but I did higher weights for more reps. This morning I have an incredible feeling of sore-growth pain! Oh yeah...

My body composition continues to improve. I am getting closer and closer to 11% BF. I weighed at 209.5 this AM. I will have to post pics at the end of this. I am by all means not a monster, but a mean looking specimin. My emotions have been all over the place, so I know this is some potent stuff. I have also only been getting 6 hours of sleep a night. The great part is I am still recovering a rapid rate. My BP has been fine here as of late, I have still been experiencing some Prostate issues. So I have upped my Prostate care stuff. It has helped. So far cost vs risk vs benefit this has been a piece of cake.

I kind of feel guilty while I post because I hate those Natedogg posts about how great something is without backing it up. This is a great stack already IMO. Thanks BioScience and Stryder.
 
Glad to see your BP is back to normal... This past week I was on 4.5mgs of M-trn, and BP was up, do not specific reading BUT, I am pretty in tune with body, and constant headaches, and h/r up at rest, started taking my doses with CoQ10 and Policosinol, and that helped a lil bit, but right now I am taking 6mgs with Hawthorne, and 6mgs is the sweet spot 2 days on that dose, makes a major difference !!!
 
motiv8er said:
This is a great stack already IMO. Thanks BioScience and Stryder.
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No problem motiv8er! Glad to donate the Generic Labz Mega-TRN for educational purposes :thumbsup:
 
Tomorrow is my last full day of the stack. I have a really great looking PCT ready to go so I am excited to get that under way. I didn't get labs done pre so I can't make this opinion based on science, but I think PCT should be fairly simple. I don't think my natty test or liver has been as seriously trampled as it tends to with other substances such as Superdrol or Ergomax. This has been almost a perfectly side-effect free cycle. That is a very big plus for me. I hope in the future someone will feel like doing this stack for 8 weeks as I wonder how toxic it will prove to be... I have my own theories.

I ate two whole cheat meals this weekend, so I am not looking as hard as I was five days ago. I think by tomorrow or Wednesday my body will return to its harder state. The pizza and few beers were worth it though. :) I have had a hard on for that stack for a FEW months. Man did they taste good. ;)

The strength increases were 3 out of 4 stars. They took about two weeks to start up. I would say across the boards this last week I saw 3-4 reps and up to 20lbs increase on some lifts! All this while sleeping 6 hours a day and eating right above maintence.

The lack of sides were 3 out of 4 stars. Before anybody laughs at me, I want to say that tren and M1T did some crazy things to me emotionaly. I actually had a panic attack and cried myself to sleep a few nights ago. It was a little scary but I knew why I was imbalanced and that it was temporary. Except for the fact I got up the next morning yearning for Steel Magnolias and Fried Green Tomatoes! (Insert Tampon Marketing) SO just keep your mind right.

Overall I'd give the stack a 3 out of 4 stars. The lack of sides with the positive composition changes were very desirable. The compound was a litte wet, but that isn't a bad thing at all. I'd do this stack again in a heartbeat. It may be the best thing out there IMO.

Thanks Gang.:burger:
 
Mr.50 said:
Great job bro. Any chance you might be able to elaborate on your PCT stack?

Mr.50
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I feel like a prick...

But if you insist,hehe, go check out my new log in the DS forum to get the whole idea.

Thanks Mr. 50
 
I would think this stack wiser than many of the other hormones being offered in this moment gains vs risks ratio. But that is just my opinion. Please let me know how your goes if you do bentlax 39.
 
MattHines said:
I didnt keep a detailed log but I checked my BP every few days and it stayed over the regular level by about 10 points or so...the readings varied. I find it very odd that you did not find a correlation between your blood pressure and those side effects. Think about what higher blood pressure means and the effects that we discussed...it makes perfect sense that if the pressure is higher, nose bleeds will happen more frequently. the same applies to the neck pressure and headaches.

if your BP was not high when you had these effects, then what do you attribute them to?
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Sorry for the long delay in response. As best as my doctor can figure out, the headaches and bloody noses are due to allergies. If I take my allergy medication, I don't really experience them. However, the allergy medication I take causes me to be tired, makes me thirsty, and ruins my ability to do cardio.

But yes, that's pretty much the first thing my friends told me when I started having really bad nosebleeds and headaches about six years ago. Go see a doctor and get your blood pressure checked. So I did, and it was fine. It did take me a couple of years to find a a combination of allergy medications that worked for me. I liked flonase & rhinocort the best (fewest sides), but they made the pressure in my eyes go through the roof, so I had to stop taking them.

I think a good, accurate, home blood pressure monitor is a good thing to have. The times when my systolic blood pressure was high (160+), I didn't really feel any different. The times when my neck would be stiff and I'd swear that my blood pressure was up, it wasn't.

I need to do some more searching, but I'd really like to know what impact MTST / MTRN has on blood pressure. I'd also like to know if anybody is experiencing any back cramps or lower back pain.

-Tinytoad
 
TINYTOAD said:
Sorry for the long delay in response. As best as my doctor can figure out, the headaches and bloody noses are due to allergies. If I take my allergy medication, I don't really experience them. However, the allergy medication I take causes me to be tired, makes me thirsty, and ruins my ability to do cardio.

But yes, that's pretty much the first thing my friends told me when I started having really bad nosebleeds and headaches about six years ago. Go see a doctor and get your blood pressure checked. So I did, and it was fine. It did take me a couple of years to find a a combination of allergy medications that worked for me. I liked flonase & rhinocort the best (fewest sides), but they made the pressure in my eyes go through the roof, so I had to stop taking them.

I think a good, accurate, home blood pressure monitor is a good thing to have. The times when my systolic blood pressure was high (160+), I didn't really feel any different. The times when my neck would be stiff and I'd swear that my blood pressure was up, it wasn't.

I need to do some more searching, but I'd really like to know what impact MTST / MTRN has on blood pressure. I'd also like to know if anybody is experiencing any back cramps or lower back pain.

-Tinytoad
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Pretty interesting Toad. I do still believe that my sides and those sides for many others are directly related to BP tho. Anyhow, good luck with the allergy situation.

to answer your last question, after reading the M-TRN/TST logs, it seems that TRN does tend to raise BP a bit.
 
I can second that nothing a lil hawthorne berry cannot take care of. Currently running 6mgs of Methoxy -trn, and had some BP issues, threw in the Hawthorne, and viola no more BP issues.
 
IMO-
The TRN from the stack isn't to be taken too lightly. I would guess it was the culprit of most of my sides. I wouldn't want anyone to walk into this stack and think it is butter. The results are great, but if you do the stack, know what support supps will already need to be in your system.
M-

FWIW
My BP issues seemed to really clear up by the third week. It may have also been aggrevated by the previous months Venom use. Either way Hawthorn and K were life savers.
 
motiv8er said:
The strength increases were 3 out of 4 stars. They took about two weeks to start up. I would say across the boards this last week I saw 3-4 reps and up to 20lbs increase on some lifts! All this while sleeping 6 hours a day and eating right above maintence.

The lack of sides were 3 out of 4 stars. Before anybody laughs at me, I want to say that tren and M1T did some crazy things to me emotionaly. I actually had a panic attack and cried myself to sleep a few nights ago. It was a little scary but I knew why I was imbalanced and that it was temporary.
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I just want to say thank you for admitting to your emotional breakdown while on cycle. I did (am doing) a log too, and it seems like I'm getting the opposite results of you. I'm taking 4mg of each every day.... and man at one point during finals I swear I had a complete nervous break down and was inches away from having to seek professional psychiatric care. The whole time I've been on this stack i've been irritable, moody, COVERED in acne, prostate swelling/leaky ****, lethargy, difficulty sleeping.... and here's the best part.... even with all of these androgenic side effects and a clean diet... My lifts have PLUMMETED... I've lost 50lbs off my squat. I'm incredibley frustrated with the whole ordeal. I wish it would have affected me the way it affected you.

No seems to have an answer for me as to 'why' my lifts are plummetting so bad.... and anytime I get depressed or irritated or frustrated people think I'm just being a whiny *****....

Regardless, cheers bro. I've been stopping in on this log for a long time but never said hi.
 
Damn, skel, that is scary. I would suggest bloodwork. Unless I'm having cerebral constipation, I think the sides you are describing actually sound like cardio issues, or at least potential symptoms of cardio issues. Definitely stop the cycle. I hope your support supps are in line.

Good luck!
 
Beowolf, thanks for the reply! Motiv8ors log has been over for some time so I don't feel too bad about hijacking a moment.

The guys on the website i post on (ironmass) don't seem too alarmed. They think it's strange that my strength went down, especially when I'm getting the classic androgenic side effects. I unfortunately do not have money for blood work right now :( You are however the first person to recommend stopping the cycle. I could consider it, but at this point there is only 10 days left anyway out of 45.... unless more people agree.

My support supps have been hawthorne berry, saw palmetto, and AX perfect cycle.... plus my normal array of vitamins and antioxidants.

If you want to take a look at my log it's at Invalid Link Removed
 
skelooth said:
Beowolf, thanks for the reply! Motiv8ors log has been over for some time so I don't feel too bad about hijacking a moment.

The guys on the website i post on (ironmass) don't seem too alarmed. They think it's strange that my strength went down, especially when I'm getting the classic androgenic side effects. I unfortunately do not have money for blood work right now :( You are however the first person to recommend stopping the cycle. I could consider it, but at this point there is only 10 days left anyway out of 45.... unless more people agree.

My support supps have been hawthorne berry, saw palmetto, and AX perfect cycle.... plus my normal array of vitamins and antioxidants.

If you want to take a look at my log it's at Invalid Link Removed
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Hey,

No problem at all! Whatever we can do in the name of science. I am glad you enjoyed the read; I'll check your log out!
 
Hey Motiv8er, I am about to bump up to three pills a day of noth Mega-trn and Methoxy-tst. I am loving what I am seeing so far. How did you space out your dosages when taking the supps three times a day? I was thinking doing every 8 hours: 7am - 3pm-11pm.
 
psychospic said:
Hey Motiv8er, I am about to bump up to three pills a day of noth Mega-trn and Methoxy-tst. I am loving what I am seeing so far. How did you space out your dosages when taking the supps three times a day? I was thinking doing every 8 hours: 7am - 3pm-11pm.
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Some androgens (particulary tren) affect my sleep paterns. I had no discomfort by dosing 700 AM, Noon, and 5 PM. That may not be by the books 8 hours but I did very well with this protocol. If you have no sleep issues, I'd certainly dose up before bed. Make sure you gooble a little PB (or anything fatty) before bed with the dose too. Good luck!
 
motiv8er said:
...I had no discomfort by dosing 700 AM, Noon, and 5 PM....
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I like that dosing pattern because I like to load up about an hour befor my workout at 6pm, I wasn't sure if there were any guidelines regarding how often to take it or not to take it. I love this stuff so far and have seen great strength gains two weeks into it. Thanks for the reply.
 
hamper19 said:
look..when you do winny and tren to together you can have issues of BP...that should be general knowledge you should never have to ask..search once and you will know
..bottom line when you have EXTREMELY high bp it needs to flow somewhere and your nose is your only spot

if you can either post a picture of you and your nose bleed along with you and your NOn high blood pressure...you can calm folks down...ME?..if you are from jersey or the east coast...i'd prefer you told me that. I know some "peeps" on both coasts that can give me a reading of the air quality at wil..(or course provided they are not busy"...

bottom line, nose bleeds during a cycle can not only be contributed to ANYTYTHING.....bottom line..maybe he had too much dairy and became lactose intolerant...bottom line...

be helpful before you talk ****


or if side b (the you def had high bp) side....can post his diet...bottom line...lets go.....

h19
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was that even english? wtf was I saying? damn....that must have been on an off week when i drank or something...don't u hate that...

sorry to ruin everyones "user cp" box..

mega-h..who's in on the presale?
 
hamper19 said:
was that even english? wtf was I saying? damn....that must have been on an off week when i drank or something...don't u hate that...

sorry to ruin everyones "user cp" box..

mega-h..who's in on the presale?
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We are all human, and foregiveness is devine. :)
 
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