Methyldiazirinol, S23, Ostarine cut

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I am going to be doing an 8 week cut using Methyldiazirinol 50 mg, S23 30 mg,and 25 mg Ostarine cut. I am also on 160 mg test for trt. I will probably only stay on the Methyldiazirinol for 6 weeks as it is methylated. Support supps will be Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist, 1000 mg Olympus Labs Tudca, fish oil, and Molecular Labs Lipid Stabil.

As gyms will be closed I have to work out from home. I have an incline workout bench, 200 pounds adjustable dumbbells, a calf block, and a Nordicktrack Incline trainer for cardio that inclines up to 40 percent which makes for a great simultaneous cardio and leg workout.

For diet, I have cut my calories by 25 percent to 2250 a day which is about a 25 percent deficit. I eat very clean and will be eating a low fat diet with about 200 grams of protein a day.

I currently weight 191.2 pounds at about 18.7 percent body fat. My cycle goal will be to lose a pound to a pound and a half a week and lose 2, preferably 3 percent body fat. I will be updating my log abound once a week. Here is a pic of me on day 1 of my cut
 

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End of Week 1- I started my cut on 04/10 so this is the 1 week update. Good news is no sides to report ( I have never run Methyldiazirnol so don’t know what to expect. Have run S23 and Ostarine multiple times). Noticed increased pumps, but nothing like when I ran DMZ. Weight only dropped a little over a half a pound in a week and I am looking to loose around a pound and a half a week so next week I am cutting my calories by 500 calories a day (all from carbs) and eliminating the one “cheat day” a week I have where I eat at maintenance.

Lifting at home is keeping me sane. The state I live in is supposed to open May 1 so hopefully that will include the gym as you can only do so much when all you have is a pair of dumbells and an adjustable bench. Hopefully I can throw a little extra weight on the lifts this week.
 
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I’m curious what that ‘Mdiaz’ can do
(Hopefully you’ll be able to isolate its effects!)
 

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I’m curious what that ‘Mdiaz’ can do
(Hopefully you’ll be able to isolate its effects!)
Since my "run" was a fail :/ never completed it. Glad you're avoiding the azinol brand tbh .
 

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Weighed myself today as it has been a half week since I lowered my calories. Can’t believe the scale read the same thing as Friday!! I know weight can fluctuate from day to day so I guess I will chalk it up to that? I’m already down to 1780 calories a day so not much room to go lower. Don’t want to cut calories to soon then have nowhere to go downward after that. I’m going to weigh myself daily (same time each day first thing in the morning) and hopefully I see a gradual turn downward otherwise will have to cut again. Do you guys think the methyldiazirnol could cause glycogen retention which would account for me seeing no change in scale weight despite having cut calories twice??
 

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The brand I got caused me stomach bloat, water retention, and Gyno towards the second week. I didn’t even recognize myself in the face. After starting some AI and clomid w/invictus and an otc pct, I’m starting to feel better. Maybe it was because I already had secondary hypogonadism but this was estrogenic and pretty sure it raised the levels on blood test. After reading, it seems like mdiaz doesn’t do this AT ALL @Ricky10 maybe you can explain? I know you loved Azinol but the bottle I got did not seem like Azinol.

literally put on like 10 pounds of water in 1.5 weeks

like I said maybe it just interacted with me negatively because I already was suppressed but who knows. I was disappointed because I was expecting it to be as what I read but it wasn’t

the rebound was even worse. I put in another 5 pounds of like pure water which I’ve lost 10 since coming off and my diet is clean + I count my macros and always very strict so I did not understand at all

I mean on day 3, I was hitting massive PR’s lol
 

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And personally, it was very glycogen retentive, as well. There wasn’t any real dry qualities for me, just fullness

another theory is that it was so anabolic ie, the ratio compared with its androgenic score, that I got 0 androgenic benefits with it. Not sure.
 
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I think you had way too much going on and too many variables in a short span of time for anyone to determine anthing about your short cycle, including yourself :)

I am guilty of doing the same thing at times so I definitely get it.

While I think the AZINOL was legit, your condition could have made things more complicated during and after. Seems you would likely be better off to focus your efforts on the possibility of TRT, and then experiment from there..
 

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I think you had way too much going on and too many variables in a short span of time for anyone to determine anthing about your short cycle, including yourself :)

I am guilty of doing the same thing at times so I definitely get it.

While I think the AZINOL was legit, your condition could have made things more complicated during and after. Seems you would likely be better off to focus your efforts on the possibility of TRT, and then experiment from there..
i 100% agree. This must have been it. It was short but I definitely got negatives from it and this was probably because my hormones were already out of whack and the further suppression of test was causing major issues. Just wanted to get you in here for that as joe mentioned he was having glycogen increases
 

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I think you had way too much going on and too many variables in a short span of time for anyone to determine anthing about your short cycle, including yourself :)

I am guilty of doing the same thing at times so I definitely get it.

While I think the AZINOL was legit, your condition could have made things more complicated during and after. Seems you would likely be better off to focus your efforts on the possibility of TRT, and then experiment from there..
@Ricky10 did you have much weight retention due to glycogen on your runs? I don’t know how else to account for me dropping 800 calories below maintenance the first week and the scale barely budging then cutting another 400 to 450 calories and three days later still no difference. I think it has to be glycogen and water because my muscles look fuller.
 

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The brand I got caused me stomach bloat, water retention, and Gyno towards the second week. I didn’t even recognize myself in the face. After starting some AI and clomid w/invictus and an otc pct, I’m starting to feel better. Maybe it was because I already had secondary hypogonadism but this was estrogenic and pretty sure it raised the levels on blood test. After reading, it seems like mdiaz doesn’t do this AT ALL @Ricky10 maybe you can explain? I know you loved Azinol but the bottle I got did not seem like Azinol.

literally put on like 10 pounds of water in 1.5 weeks

like I said maybe it just interacted with me negatively because I already was suppressed but who knows. I was disappointed because I was expecting it to be as what I read but it wasn’t

the rebound was even worse. I put in another 5 pounds of like pure water which I’ve lost 10 since coming off and my diet is clean + I count my macros and always very strict so I did not understand at all

I mean on day 3, I was hitting massive PR’s lol
I think since Azinol shouldn’t aromatize if you had estro issues it was probably due to having low t to begin with and then the t being further depressed from running a steroid.
 
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i 100% agree. This must have been it. It was short but I definitely got negatives from it and this was probably because my hormones were already out of whack and the further suppression of test was causing major issues. Just wanted to get you in here for that as joe mentioned he was having glycogen increases
Yes, there is definitely a fullness to it. Generally speaking, it shouldn’t be a bloater though, and it really shines in drying out/leanness (shredding) attributes in the later states. You are are/were already very shredded, so that wasn’t the end goal in your particular case.
 
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@Ricky10 did you have much weight retention due to glycogen on your runs? I don’t know how else to account for me dropping 800 calories below maintenance the first week and the scale barely budging then cutting another 400 to 450 calories and three days later still no difference. I think it has to be glycogen and water because my muscles look fuller.
Yeah, like I kind of said in my prior post, it definitely gives some nice fullness for me. Possibly from a bit of water retention too in the initial weeks, but toward the middle and end I was just full and super ripped!
 

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Yes, there is definitely a fullness to it. Generally speaking, it shouldn’t be a bloater though, and it really shines in drying out/leanness (shredding) attributes in the later states. You are are/were already very shredded, so that wasn’t the end goal in your particular case.
Thanks for the info. No it definitely is a nice look like a muscle fullness similar to what I get from DMZ. Nothing like water retention due to high estrogen like what it sounds like @Iwilleattuna
unfortunately experienced.
 
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Thanks for the info. No it definitely is a nice look like a muscle fullness similar to what I get from DMZ. Nothing like water retention due to high estrogen like what it sounds like @Iwilleattuna
unfortunately experienced.
sucks but I’ve almost lost all of the bloat weight hit another 1 pound loss today . I’m okay with solid weight(glycogen/fullness) gain but estrogenic water I can’t handle . Lol

now I know it was estrogen because I didn’t start losing the water until I started dosing AI and clomid
 

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Gonna give a week 2 update a day early. Scale went down a whopping one fifth of a pound lol! Gonna make one final cut down to 1650 calories a day. This is about the minimum I can go to and still maintain an intake of a gram of protein per pound of weight per day. Gonna add in Glucomannan fiber pills to fight off hunger as I know it will come at such a low intake of calories. Cut out a lot more carbs from diet again but am adding in 4 more servings of salad to also fight against hunger. (Often if I cut too low it makes me susceptible to binge eat). Was going to drop to 1500 calories a day, but that would require cutting out my post workout drink Gatorade and I have no interest in that because then I would probably enter in to Ketosis due to such a low carb intake which makes me feel like ****!

Cant really cut any lower so if after another week my scale still defies mathematics and doesn’t budge I will probably reverse this into a slight 500 calorie or so over maintenance bulk, but really hoping I don’t have to go there. Aesthetically it looks in the mirror like I am losing body fat and have more definition in my muscles and my arms are more pumped, but I don’t know if that is from actual physical steroids or just the S23 and Methyldiazirnol just making me look more dried out/shredded. I suppose I should put some weight to the changes I see in the mirror but scales don’t lie.

New side effect I have been having is some insomnia at night. Nothing terrible, but I have been waking up 3 or 4 times a night and feel totally awake when I’m up and have to force myself back to sleep. I don’t ever experience this from the Sarms so it must be the Mdiaz. I have no doubt this brand Mdiaz is legit with the shred look it has given me, the glycogen retention, and now the sleeping problems that I often get with steroids. Oh one other thing, lifts have been up this week. Nothing major, just a rep or 2 more on some sets and increased squat weight by 10 pounds.
 

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Gonna give a week 2 update a day early. Scale went down a whopping one fifth of a pound lol! Gonna make one final cut down to 1650 calories a day. This is about the minimum I can go to and still maintain an intake of a gram of protein per pound of weight per day. Gonna add in Glucomannan fiber pills to fight off hunger as I know it will come at such a low intake of calories. Cut out a lot more carbs from diet again but am adding in 4 more servings of salad to also fight against hunger. (Often if I cut too low it makes me susceptible to binge eat). Was going to drop to 1500 calories a day, but that would require cutting out my post workout drink Gatorade and I have no interest in that because then I would probably enter in to Ketosis due to such a low carb intake which makes me feel like ****!

Cant really cut any lower so if after another week my scale still defies mathematics and doesn’t budge I will probably reverse this into a slight 500 calorie or so over maintenance bulk, but really hoping I don’t have to go there. Aesthetically it looks in the mirror like I am losing body fat and have more definition in my muscles and my arms are more pumped, but I don’t know if that is from actual physical steroids or just the S23 and Methyldiazirnol just making me look more dried out/shredded. I suppose I should put some weight to the changes I see in the mirror but scales don’t lie.

New side effect I have been having is some insomnia at night. Nothing terrible, but I have been waking up 3 or 4 times a night and feel totally awake when I’m up and have to force myself back to sleep. I don’t ever experience this from the Sarms so it must be the Mdiaz. I have no doubt this brand Mdiaz is legit with the shred look it has given me, the glycogen retention, and now the sleeping problems that I often get with steroids. Oh one other thing, lifts have been up this week. Nothing major, just a rep or 2 more on some sets and increased squat weight by 10 pounds.
Sounds to me like you're recomping. Weight staying relatively static but you’re leaning out and lifts are going up? Why not continue on that path?
 

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Sounds to me like you're recomping. Weight staying relatively static but you’re leaning out and lifts are going up? Why not continue on that path?
That’s what it seems. I just prefer to cut because I am currently a little over 18 percent and my target is 13 percent. Cutting will be me to my goal the fastest.
 

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That’s what it seems. I just prefer to cut because I am currently a little over 18 percent and my target is 13 percent. Cutting will be me to my goal the fastest.
Fair enough. Sorry if I missed this in a previous post but were you already cutting prior to starting your cycle or did you start at the same time?
 

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Fair enough. Sorry if I missed this in a previous post but were you already cutting prior to starting your cycle or did you start at the same time?
I was eating at maintenance (about 3000 calories a day) for about 8 weeks prior to this cut which didn’t start till this cycle started, with that said I have been cutting almost 50 percent of the time for the last 2 years on and off. Started at nearly 30 percent body fat. Perhaps my metabolism is adjusting to this hence not much weight loss yet this cycle.
 

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Maybe you cut calories too quickly. You have 8 weeks and pretty much nowhere left to go as far as cutting calories
 

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The Methyldiazirnol is giving me huge pumps!! Sucks I’m not able to go to the gym so others can see them! This is after my bicep workout the other day...
You’re 100% looking leaner than your before pictures and I’m noticing more delt growth

a lil flat though. As @trumac said , careful dropping too quickly . Sometimes you just have waste and water built up, so you crash diet and when all of the inflammation goes away , you realize you cut too hard
 

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But whatever you’re doing seems to be working so.... I’d keep it up 👍
 

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Maybe you cut calories too quickly. You have 8 weeks and pretty much nowhere left to go as far as cutting calories
6 weeks left after today. If I absolutely had to I cut cut once more by eliminating my 160 calorie postworkout Gatorade, my 200 calorie Quest bar, and 100 calories chicken breast and replace it with a 170 calorie protein shake to keep my protein take still high, but even that would only be a 300 calorie reduction and I really dont want to go there because I would be miserable with only like 1200 to 1300 calories to eat and having like only 60 grams of carbs a day so i would also be tired af too! I am confident now that i am down to about 1600 I will at least hopefully start dropping a pound a week, hopefully more. We will see.
 

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Yeah, like I kind of said in my prior post, it definitely gives some nice fullness for me. Possibly from a bit of water retention too in the initial weeks, but toward the middle and end I was just full and super ripped!
Am curious what is the longest you have run Mdiaz for? The longest I have run a methylated is six weeks so I was thinking of dropping it after week six and just take the S23 and Ostarine, but maybe bump up the S23 to 40 at that time if I stop the Mdiaz. You ever run Mdiaz for 8 weeks?
 

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Just purchased a fat burning supplement called Burn by Genius Brand off of Amazon. I don’t put much stock in supplement “fat burners”, but this one seemed to have a lot of nonproprietary science backed ingredients and has a four and a half star rating on Amazon with a ton of reviews. Figured it can’t hurt to try given my situation. Arrives Saturday.
 

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Just purchased a fat burning supplement called Burn by Genius Brand off of Amazon. I don’t put much stock in supplement “fat burners”, but this one seemed to have a lot of nonproprietary science backed ingredients and has a four and a half star rating on Amazon with a ton of reviews. Figured it can’t hurt to try given my situation. Arrives Saturday.
What’s in it
 
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Am curious what is the longest you have run Mdiaz for? The longest I have run a methylated is six weeks so I was thinking of dropping it after week six and just take the S23 and Ostarine, but maybe bump up the S23 to 40 at that time if I stop the Mdiaz. You ever run Mdiaz for 8 weeks?
I was always 10-12 weeks. My first time was actually closer to 6 weeks though, because I switched into it halfway through an Epistane/DMZ cycle. I don't do short cycles :)
 

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I was always 10-12 weeks. My first time was actually closer to 6 weeks though, because I switched into it halfway through an Epistane/DMZ cycle. I don't do short cycles :)
Wow 10 to 12 weeks! You must have a liver of steel! I guess I might just run it for 8 then. I have two bottles which is enough. Not sure...will either be 6 or 8.
 

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Wow 10 to 12 weeks! You must have a liver of steel! I guess I might just run it for 8 then. I have two bottles which is enough. Not sure...will either be 6 or 8.
I know I ran it at least 6 weeks. I’ve done orals for 10-12 weeks as a younger man as well. I’m an alcoholic and I’ve never had my liver values out of range. Most toxicity claims are far overblown. I’m not advocating 12 week oral cycles but I’m just sayin. Take tudca (which I only recently started taking) and support supps and get bloodwork and you’re good.
 

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End of week 3. Scale is finally budging downward. Down a pound and a half since when I started (nearly all of this loss is from this past week after adjusting my calories). Body fat is also down a half percent. The Methyldiazirnol effects are staring to show at the home gym too. I have been able to add about 10 pounds and still do the same amount of reps on nearly all exercises this week. Those that I wasn’t able to add weight to I was typically still able to do a few extra reps. No real side effects to speak of either (my sleep issues have seemed to resolved itself). Do not have an acidic stomach even though the Methyldiazirnol is methylated and methyls such as DMZ have had this effect on me in the past.

Enjoying this run so much purchased 3 more bottles of Xerxs for future cuts. Only wish I could be lifting in the gym instead, but still the weight bench along with my dumbbells are keeping me sane during this lockdown. No word yet yet when gyms will open Below is a pic of me from three weeks ago right before beginning my run followed by a pic of me currently.
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This is me from yesterday. Current weight 189.6 pounds 18.3 percent body fat.
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Growing very bored with the lockdown so I think I’m going to bump the S23 to 40 mg and the Ostarine to 50 mg for shits and giggles.
 

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Week 4 update. It seems my body is the most stubborn when it comes to losing fat! Weighed myself at the same time first thing in the morning upon wake up yesterday and today. Weight came in a pound and a half down from last week yesterday, but the same as last week when weighed today, however both times my body fat percentage was the same as last week which leads me to believe today’s reading was the accurate one. I did have 2 days I ate above at maintenance this week for a break.

Gonna cut calories one final time down to slightly over 1200. This is the lowest I can go and still have 190 grams protein so will not cut any further. Carb intake will be about 50 grams. Will be adding 4 servings Glucomannan fiber pills though out the day to combat hunger cravings and also drinking tons of water. Two things that will be my biggest battle will probably be hunger pains which can lead to the temptation to binge and possible fatigue from the low carb diet. May add more caffeine pills throughout the day to combat fatigue if needed.

No sides to really report even with bumping the S23 to 40 mg and the Ostarine to 50 mg. Had some anxiety initially the first two days I upped the dose and it went away so who knows may just have been a placebo effect. Will be cutting out the Methyldiazirnol after 2 more weeks as I don’t want to run a methylated designer longer than 6 weeks and just running the S23 and Ostarine.. Will be interested to see if there is a weight drop after dropping it (would actually welcome that since I am on a cut) from glycogen retention.

Weights on lifts continue to go steadily up about 10 pounds from the week prior on most lifts with the exception of lifts involving in smaller muscles such as wrist curls for forearms and front, side, and read shoulder raises. Lifting increase were not as pronounced as week 3, but still present. Set PRs for several lifts. Have 4 weeks left and hoping the gym will open at least for a week or 2 of that so I can change up my workout.
 
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Sounds like you might be “recomping,” which is never a bad thing!

1200 cal is pretty low for a big dude...something to consider!

What are your main lifts your doing?
 

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Sounds like you might be “recomping,” which is never a bad thing!

1200 cal is pretty low for a big dude...something to consider!

What are your main lifts your doing?
I agree it is pretty low, but If the scale won’t budge and my body fat percentage isn’t going down like which would happen with a successful recomp I have no other alternative. If my weight was staying the same and my body fat was dropping I wouldn’t cut calories further. It definitely gets harder to lose body fat the less you have! I started cutting when I was at 28 or 29 percent body fat a coupe of years ago and it would just fall off. Now that I am down to 18 percent it seems I have to cut steep. It will only be at 1200 for 4 weeks as that is all I have remaining in this cut so I will survive. Sunday is the WWE pay per view so I will probably treat myself for a break to pizza and eat at 3000 calories which is my maintenance. It does really baffle me though how I can eat at 3000 calories a day and not gain, but have to cut so steep to lose. I think my body has adjusted to me cutting basically 50 percent of my life the past 2 or three years and adapts somehow to the cuts.

As far as lifts the main lifts I do since all I have is dumbbells is dumbbell bench press and incline bench press, dumbbell rows, dumbbell squats, shoulder presses, and Romanian dumbbell dead lifts. I do add some isolation in as well. Typically I do about 30 sets a workout in the 8 to 10 rep range about 4 or 5 sets per exercise with a minute break between sets so it takes me about an hour. After that I do 20 minutes of cardio on my incline trainer with most of the time being at a 26 percent incline.

Recently been using this cool workout app called “Stacked” that is really cool. Automatically times sets, PRs, one rep max, allows customization of workouts, and keeps a history of all workouts backed up to their server so you can track your progress even if your phone breaks!
 

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