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Ok friends. I keep hijacking threads because this is literally the highlight of this decade for me. I’ve wanted to compete for 10+ years and I’ve lined things up to do so next year.
As everyone knows (since I never shut the fck up about it) I started with a trainer 2 months ago. as far as I know, for NPC competitions locally (Phoenix) he’s one of the best besides Dusty Hanshaw (ifbb pro) and I feel he is the perfect fit.
Trained and competed naturally for 8 years which is important because I’ve seen how drug pusher trainers work these days.
He’s got a degree in kinesiology and is a pretty smart guy.. We seem to be doing a little from DC and Mountain Dog and a few others like 5x5. He’s all over the map but it’s been crazy effective so far. -20lb loss in 7 weeks with no drugs or cardio, and I’ve lost no strength and no significant size. I’ve even added size to my legs and shoulders/upper chest.
Anyways, I’ll type forever so I’ll start with this since we are in the anabolic section(where everyone is anyways):

Test E - 450/week
NPP - 485/week
Letro 1.25/day - switching to Aromasin next week
Cardarine 10mg/day
Raloxifene 50mg/day
BPC157/TB500 various doses as needed.

I’m attempting to take just 25mg winstrol at bed and was fine but today appetite is all of a sudden bad and lethargy kicked in on day 5 already.
This has happened 3 times already this year, can’t make it to week 2. Msten and Var did the same. Var is what really tripped me up, like who can’t tolerate Var?
Got Tudca on the way and going to try to keep bile ducts clear as MrKleen suggested. Us older guys just struggle with orals I guess.

I’ll start posting up workouts and diet without total copyright issues soon for anyone interested. I’m really just here for comradery and to learn from everyone so I don’t need critique or comments of such. I KNOW my weak points and that’s what I’m focused on right now, to always be better than I was yesterday.
Here’s where I’m at. Legs are pretty bad, 6’3 with meniscus tears in both. May be doing Men’s Physique if I can’t get them up in size.
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Hope to have anyone interested aboard and I always welcome advice and support!
 
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After two days off and 500gram carb refeeds, I went and finished my weeks sessions of chest/bis/tris and hamstrings.
Stiff deadlifted 315x14 and then proceeded to eat all my macros by 845 so I was limited to cucumber and olives until I went to bed. Feeling fantastic and abandoning all orals except Proviron for now, although I’m itching to add more drugs, I may just enjoy the results of this for another 5 weeks.
226 with abs and weights going up.
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What’s more frustrating of this generation is even though you’re all juiced and a brick of muscle and they’re 145-160 lbs skinny little twigs, they still act and strongly believe they stand a chance... it’s like the society made them believe they’re invincible... I see this daily too at my job which is a casual gym... like I don’t consider myself that big or that much in shape but in my gym no one is near my level of weight/muscle ratio and some kids man... no respect. I feel you so bad on this one because I wanna break one of these noodles at least once a week.
Thise guys would have been dead silent in their long sleeve tees back in my younger years! Just watching the bigger guys and trying to learn a thing or two! Now they run the show!
 
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Thank you. Getting my ass beat a few times as a kid showed me some humility and respect and to watch myself. The Army was even better, I learned integrity and a lot more respect. Every one of these kids would get eaten alive in an environment where they realize they aren’t the center of the universe and maybe they aren’t hot ****, the biggest baddest kid around. I thought they learned these lessons as we did growing up but it’s clear they are overprotected by society, schools, everyone. I need to let it go, because I’m getting to the point where I’m going to hurt someone and really mess things up for myself, because even if they started it with their little fragile egos and delusions, you know they would press charges and a judge would see a guy twice their age and twice their size and hammer me.
Reminds me of an old quote...no idea where it came from but dam sure it's TRUE

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

Everyone's living pretty comfortable...hell even the poor have a crazy obese rate right now
 
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In a way(a fcked up way) it’s been nice just being in and out of relationships in my 30, cause when I got with my girl now, who I will be marrying, she’s worth it, she knew upfront I keep firearms, and I use steroids, and that’s who I’m going to continue to be, so she’s never once challenged it. My first wife I had months ahead of me to convince her after we brought James home from the hospital that we needed one. I even had to find these super obscure rubber bullets so in case the gun went off no kid would get killed or anything .
 
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@MrKleen73 any tips or tricks for keeping the traps popping while you’re in a full lat spread??
Honestly the traps have to be relaxed and stretched to get a full lat spread in the rear lat spread. You can raise the shoulders a bit and make an effort not to round the shoulders and thoracic spine too much. Doing that too much puts them at an angle that almost makes them invisible. Also on stage or any time the camera is lower you need to arch your back more, remember you are showing people below you the muscle so hunching forward is going to lose a lot of the visibility of well everything you are trying to show off. I was told to act as if I had a flash light on my back and was trying to point it toward the judges or camera. However as far as traps go in a rear lat spread, the reality is that if you want to spread the lats as far as possible you have to relax the traps and let your scapula come out away from the center line of your body. Trying to contract the traps will pull them in and you end up having a much narrower spread.

A rear double biceps is where you show your traps, or the rear "relaxed" stance you can contract a bit as long as you already know how to drop the lats as that should show off more of the back musculature but a rear lat spread is only to highlight the total width of the lats, V taper, lower back for upper body and then the best calf, and separation between the quads and hamstrings. Only people with massive traps are going to show much trap in a rear lat spread.

What most people do to show the traps and back detail when going into the rear lat spread is give the inner back a good squeeze showing off all of that musculature then put their hands on their hips and spread wide into the lat spread.
 
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Balance means it all works out in the end, but don’t kid yourself into thinking priorities or energy doesn’t ebb and flow. When you compete, energy shifts to that focus. When you are pushing on a big project at work, don’t expect lifting to shine its brightest. If you are remodeling your house...you get it. Anyone who tells you they are always giving equal amounts of energy to training, work, family, self-development, etc is a liar. Or else all those things are extremely mediocre at the time. You think the guys building the first rocket to make it to the moon or a Mr. Olympia is living balanced at the time?
 
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Exactly, well explained. There’s a misconception about steroids and even tho some can increase anxiety and such the actual reality is cycling steroids will simply BRING OUT your own problems and make them worse. Most of the people claiming they have anxiety on steroids already were dealing with such problems prior to it. Life stress, struggles, depression, anxiety just make it worst. It’s about time we stop giving steroids a bad rep for everything and blame them for everything. like if somebody has an anxiety disorder I don’t think it makes sense for this person to blame steroids because she has panick attacks or something.
Agreed, when i try to explain anabolics I used an audio amplifier to explain it. Whatever you are putting into the amplifier is going to come out that much bigger, sometimes that means better when positive, and sometimes it means worse if you have negativity going into the situation.
 
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Gratz on cutting down on the addiction! Mast has been catching my eye lately for the good feels, strength gains and synergy with 19nors. Curious to see how it treats you man
I’m telling you, most progress in 2 weeks than I’ve seen in a few months with Tommy. But I think it’s all 3 slin,gh,mast and double TRT dose. Thursday will show what I’m talking about so long as I’m not
Too bloated. Trest/Mast would be sick. Add in GH/humalog and I’d bet you could do some scary stuff with strength and body composition.
I’ve been discouraged for a year, but I made a move 2 weeks ago with the Kratom, now I’m
Stepping down daily, literally excited to see how much I can cut out of the next dose, and waiting an extra hour each dose to cut out one dose a day. Used to take it right at bad so I wouldn’t wake up at 5 withdrawing, now I’m skipping the 11pm dose, and waiting for an hour in the morning. I feel like I could be off painlessly in just 3 months at this rate.
 
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After my studying it seemed that a few rodents had cancer after the cardarine study. There was never any link or data showing that card caused or assisted in tumor growth. My thoughts after the studies anyway.

However I will say sarms in general make me a bit uneasy....and maybe for no good reason. But look at the guys pushing this stuff - Dylan gemelli comes to mind. A lot of them just flat out look u healthy and certainly not like a bber.
To be fair, Cardarine was given to the cancer rodents at doses someone would not or should not take. If all rodents were given extreme doses of Tylenol, they would all get liver failure.
 
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I'm curious, was this the trainer's plan, or did you come up with it, and he OKed it?
He’s all inclusive. Online coach that will meet with me closer to the show and/or whenever I want. We do pics every Thursday with weigh ins and he makes adjustments from there. We are doing an off-season to bring up weak points and add size to obvious areas. We just completed 7 weeks of reverse dieting to clean up all the leftover sloppy bulks from the last year. He just tells me what to do. Diet is complete with every meal no alternatives, weights, etc. Gear, training, everything. My guess is we have till January to get the off season done and get a lot of size on my biceps quads upper chest and lat width.
Then we start prep. I don’t ask bc he knows how I am and it’s better if I just do what he says to do.
Here’s him 36 days out as of today: I think he’s been natty until 6 years ago.
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He’s all inclusive. Online coach that will meet with me closer to the show and/or whenever I want. We do pics every Thursday with weigh ins and he makes adjustments from there. We are doing an off-season to bring up weak points and add size to obvious areas. We just completed 7 weeks of reverse dieting to clean up all the leftover sloppy bulks from the last year. He just tells me what to do. Diet is complete with every meal no alternatives, weights, etc. Gear, training, everything. My guess is we have till January to get the off season done and get a lot of size on my biceps quads upper chest and lat width.
Then we start prep. I don’t ask bc he knows how I am and it’s better if I just do what he says to do.
Here’s him 36 days out as of today: I think he’s been natty until 6 years ago.
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Nice!
That's what I thought, I was just checking.
 
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Just to be transparent and real here too, I’m not looking to impress or anything so my pics are just the pics I take every Thursday morning at coffee, cold, in shitty lighting, no pump, no filter. I’m happy with where I’m at for full time dad, full time work, finishing my business degree, and genetic limitations. So nothing too impressive, just want to be a badass 40 year old that’s all.
 
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Oh ya.
- 41 in 9 weeks
- still don’t care what my bf% is
- weight 219.7

- Current diet:
Training days - 3600 cals 300/410/85
Off Days - 3050 cals 275/155/150

I don’t come close to maxing out or even do the main lifts in that capacity:
Incline Bench - 245x5
Deadlift - 405x5
Squat 295x5
 
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Just to be transparent and real here too, I’m not looking to impress or anything so my pics are just the pics I take every Thursday morning at coffee, cold, in shitty lighting, no pump, no filter. I’m happy with where I’m at for full time dad, full time work, finishing my business degree, and genetic limitations. So nothing too impressive, just want to be a badass 40 year old that’s all.
You’re already a badass 40 year old. Can’t wait to see your results. Get it done and good luck.
 
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You’re already a badass 40 year old. Can’t wait to see your results. Get it done and good luck.
Thank you brotha. I’m going to put everything into this. Never weighed my food before or had to bring a second shirt to every gym session so this is up a notch for me than the fun hobby it’s been. Good to have you.
 
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Hell Yeah!! Looking really solid bro! I like the layout and dosages, but are you really running that much letro everyday? I wouldn’t be able to get out of bed. Anyway you already look big man. I’m in for the transformation!!
 
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Hell Yeah!! Looking really solid bro! I like the layout and dosages, but are you really running that much letro everyday? I wouldn’t be able to get out of bed. Anyway you already look big man. I’m in for the transformation!!
You know me bro, it’s RC letro so it’s probably like roughly half that. But generally even with pharma I have to run a solid dose of AI, I just convert heavily even when lower bf. Gyno is always something I battle. You wouldn’t even believe the doses I get to with Trest Ace. Never crashed E either oddly.
Thank you for the kind words. Glad to have you and your experience aboard. I’d be fine looking like you do in 6 years!
 

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Ok friends. I keep hijacking threads because this is literally the highlight of this decade for me. I’ve wanted to compete for 10+ years and I’ve lined things up to do so next year.
As everyone knows (since I never shut the fck up about it) I started with a trainer 2 months ago. as far as I know, for NPC competitions locally (Phoenix) he’s one of the best besides Dusty Hanshaw (ifbb pro) and I feel he is the perfect fit.
Trained and competed naturally for 8 years which is important because I’ve seen how drug pusher trainers work these days.
He’s got a degree in kinesiology and is a pretty smart guy.. We seem to be doing a little from DC and Mountain Dog and a few others like 5x5. He’s all over the map but it’s been crazy effective so far. -20lb loss in 7 weeks with no drugs or cardio, and I’ve lost no strength and no significant size. I’ve even added size to my legs and shoulders/upper chest.
Anyways, I’ll type forever so I’ll start with this since we are in the anabolic section(where everyone is anyways):

Test E - 450/week
NPP - 485/week
Letro 1.25/day - switching to Aromasin next week
Cardarine 10mg/day
Raloxifene 50mg/day
BPC157/TB500 various doses as needed.

I’m attempting to take just 25mg winstrol at bed and was fine but today appetite is all of a sudden bad and lethargy kicked in on day 5 already.
This has happened 3 times already this year, can’t make it to week 2. Msten and Var did the same. Var is what really tripped me up, like who can’t tolerate Var?
Got Tudca on the way and going to try to keep bile ducts clear as MrKleen suggested. Us older guys just struggle with orals I guess.

I’ll start posting up workouts and diet without total copyright issues soon for anyone interested. I’m really just here for comradery and to learn from everyone so I don’t need critique or comments of such. I KNOW my weak points and that’s what I’m focused on right now, to always be better than I was yesterday.
Here’s where I’m at. Legs are pretty bad, 6’3 with meniscus tears in both. May be doing Men’s Physique if I can’t get them up in size.
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Hope to have anyone interested aboard and I always welcome advice and support!
If you are serious about this which it seems as you are... yeah probably need to really increase leg size... now if leg training is an issue due to prior injury maybe consult with a PT who specializes in working with athletes...
 

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No MENT?
Why did you substitute MENT with npp? I thought you said trest was way superior.
 
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If you are serious about this which it seems as you are... yeah probably need to really increase leg size... now if leg training is an issue due to prior injury maybe consult with a PT who specializes in working with athletes...
Ya. They’re bad. He’s got me on hypertrophy heavy routine hitting them twice a week. They are already respond. If you’ve ever seen bodybuilding articles about training for tall guys, it’s very different. Back squats and leg presses toward the top do almost nothing for someone 6’3 for leg size. This is why the direction of a good trainer is so critical. And if genetically I just can’t get them to respond well enough, then there’s Men’s Physique.
 
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No MENT?
Why did you substitute MENT with npp? I thought you said trest was way superior.
It most certainly is. Gotta do what the trainer wants me to do. He likes npp because the gains are maintainable and realistic. I get it. Just bc we like certain drugs, doesn’t mean all that weight we gain on them is actual muscle that will be visible when we diet off all the fat.
What I’ve been noticing over the last few months, a periodized, well thought-out training program, made by a professional WITHOUT gear is ridiculously better than a subpar program WITH the very best gear.
 

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Ya. They’re bad. He’s got me on hypertrophy heavy routine hitting them twice a week. They are already respond. If you’ve ever seen bodybuilding articles about training for tall guys, it’s very different. Back squats and leg presses toward the top do almost nothing for someone 6’3 for leg size. This is why the direction of a good trainer is so critical. And if genetically I just can’t get them to respond well enough, then there’s Men’s Physique.
Sorry I meant a physical therapist who specializes with athletics... may give you more direction on what you can do that won’t hurt your knees... my left knee sucks and I got advice on that and it has really helped my training.
 
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Sorry I meant a physical therapist who specializes with athletics... may give you more direction on what you can do that won’t hurt your knees... my left knee sucks and I got advice on that and it has really helped my training.
I should have clarified more early on. Both meniscus have been repaired. 2006/2013.
While both times, I’ve been told heavy lifting and long distance running is probably not in my future, I have very little problems from either of them today with training. They are just always a little stiff but have full ROM, I’m just unluckily tall and have chicken legs, and I don’t skip them, they just respond hella slow.
 

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I should have clarified more early on. Both meniscus have been repaired. 2006/2013.
While both times, I’ve been told heavy lifting and long distance running is probably not in my future, I have very little problems from either of them today with training. They are just always a little stiff but have full ROM, I’m just unluckily tall and have chicken legs, and I don’t skip them, they just respond hella slow.
Fair enough... I noticed more leg growth doing them twice a week... I can’t back squat anymore but sumo deadlifts and goblet squats along with other things helped me... I am short though ( 5 foot 4).
 
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I should have clarified more early on. Both meniscus have been repaired. 2006/2013.
While both times, I’ve been told heavy lifting and long distance running is probably not in my future, I have very little problems from either of them today with training. They are just always a little stiff but have full ROM, I’m just unluckily tall and have chicken legs, and I don’t skip them, they just respond hella slow.
You and In the same boat with our knees. I have one blown out UN repaired knee MCL, ACL from about 10 years ago. it’s Long story!! But I didn’t have insurance at the time so I have the built up scar tissue repair job. Believe it or not if still works ok, it’s only limits me when bent in certain positions .but it’s definitely still very [email protected] up!!
 
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You and In the same boat with our knees. I have one blown out UN repaired knee MCL, ACL from about 10 years ago. it’s Long story!! But I didn’t have insurance at the time so I have the built up scar tissue repair job. Believe it or not if still works ok, it’s only limits me when bent in certain positions .but it’s definitely still very [email protected] up!!
I used to love long distance running, especially after the Army. I know that’s what did it too. The only things that’s helped my knees has been weight training. I trained around the second tear for 4 years before getting it repaired.
 
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I used to love long distance running, especially after the Army. I know that’s what did it too. The only things that’s helped my knees has been weight training. I trained around the second tear for 4 years before getting it repaired.
Yeah I used to play slot of basketball and lacrosse, not so much anymore. Gym wise no low squatting or deep knee lunges. Thank god I’m still able to snowboard. Though some days when it’s 20 degrees @ 12,000.feet there a lot more stiffness and pain. Then again you wouldn’t think someone with a bum knee could push 22 plates on the leg press machine.
 
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Yeah I used to play slot of basketball and lacrosse, not so much anymore. Gym wise no low squatting or deep knee lunges. Thank god I’m still able to snowboard. Though some days when it’s 20 degrees @ 12,000.feet there a lot more stiffness and pain. Then again you wouldn’t think someone with a bum knee could push 22 plates on the leg press machine.
Oh ya, I forgot you boarded.
I moved up to Denver when I was 21, just to work at a restaurant and snowboard every day. Best year of my life.
 
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Oh ya, I forgot you boarded.
I moved up to Denver when I was 21, just to work at a restaurant and snowboard every day. Best year of my life.
Must have been a blast! Especially for a 21 year old. I’ve been here 20 years now. I love it!
 

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It most certainly is. Gotta do what the trainer wants me to do. He likes npp because the gains are maintainable and realistic. I get it. Just bc we like certain drugs, doesn’t mean all that weight we gain on them is actual muscle that will be visible when we diet off all the fat.
What I’ve been noticing over the last few months, a periodized, well thought-out training program, made by a professional WITHOUT gear is ridiculously better than a subpar program WITH the very best gear.
But you are constantly on gear, you dont come off 😆
Even puny 125mg of test makes a difference in my recovery and progress in contrast to when i am off. And i am in early 20s.

To be honest i just hit full body 2x per week now that i have been going through this kinda health scare thing, 3 big exercies (usually 3 sets, sometimes i go for 5 reps, sometimes 8-12) each workout, with 1 to 2 isolations (1-2 sets per isolation) if i feel like it. And seriously, i make progress every damn workout (most likely progress aint gonna continue once i am off hcg and puny production kicks in).

Was losing all kinds of strength and size while on clomid, lost 20% off of my lifts in respect to where they were during the blast. Also, started gaining fat.

Having been on 125mg and hcg now for combined of 3 weeks now (first T and now hcg only) i managed to regain some lost strength (and size, believe it or not), so i am now about 10% weaker on my main (upperbody 10%, lower body roughly 15% weaker)lifts than while on cycle.

And i leaned out some (lost fat i accumulated while on clomidl), it is crazy.
 
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But you are constantly on gear, you dont come off 😆
Even puny 125mg of test makes a difference in my recovery and progress in contrast to when i am off. And i am in early 20s.

To be honest i just hit full body 2x per week now that i have been going through this kinda health scare thing, 3 big exercies (usually 3 sets, sometimes i go for 5 reps, sometimes 8-12) each workout, with 1 to 2 isolations (1-2 sets per isolation) if i feel like it. And seriously, i make progress every damn workout (most likely progress aint gonna continue once i am off hcg and puny production kicks in).

Was losing all kinds of strength and size while on clomid, lost 20% off of my lifts in respect to where they were during the blast. Also, started gaining fat.

Having been on 125mg and hcg now for combined of 3 weeks now (first T and now hcg only) i managed to regain some lost strength (and size, believe it or not), so i am now about 10% weaker on my main (upperbody 10%, lower body roughly 15% weaker)lifts than while on cycle.

And i leaned out some (lost fat i accumulated while on clomidl), it is crazy.
You able to gain mass and stay lean on low frequency training like that? I always progress on weight used-get stronger- but get soft on that type of training.
 

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You able to gain mass and stay lean on low frequency training like that? I always progress on weight used-get stronger- but get soft on that type of training.
Yes definitely possible. I go 100% on each and every set, gotta make them count since i do so little.

If i had no physical activity except the gym, i would definitely need 3x per week.

And if you are getting stronger and getting soft, perhaps cut back on the calories a little?

I found out that while on exogenous T i can cut back on my fat intake greatly without feeling like sh1t and losing libido (obviously) and then i lean out incredibly well.

Hence i said that i am never cutting again without a replacement dose of test.
 

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Yes definitely possible. I go 100% on each and every set, gotta make them count since i do so little.

If i had no physical activity except the gym, i would definitely need 3x per week.

And if you are getting stronger and getting soft, perhaps cut back on the calories a little?

I found out that while on exogenous T i can cut back on my fat intake greatly without feeling like sh1t and losing libido (obviously) and then i lean out incredibly well.

Hence i said that i am never cutting again without a replacement dose of test.
Eh, even on just a 200 calorie surplus i noticed getting softer every couple weeks. Im also very carb sensitive and just seem to react better to higher volume and frequency. Took me till just lately to figure this out.
 

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