Mani's Trest Cycle Log 4.21.23

[manifesto]

I was taking 1mg of Arimidex everyday when I started Trest this run

I didnt feel crashed...but there is no way for me to check this methyl e2 through bloods

 

[manifesto]

 

[gphagan1]

So try 0.5mg Arimidex?

My biggest dilemma here is going to be how much to control the estrogen

As soon as I get puffy nips, I have the tendency to take 1mg arimidex

Yeah, I would start at 0.5 mg as well. You may want to have Ralox on hand if don’t already and maybe increase your P5P for more help on the Prolactin side of things. I like that cycle though, it’s a little higher than I like to run Trest, but should be a good cycle.

 

[manifesto]

From today's shoulder/tri workout

6'0 about 210 right now...abs still visible

 

[manifesto]

Yeah, I would start at .5 as well. You may want to have Ralox on hand if don’t already and maybe increase your P5P for more help on the Prolactin side of things. I like that cycle though, it’s a little higher than I like to run Trest, but should be a good cycle.

What do you think about adding in the Caber at like .25mg every 3rd day....and stop the inhibit p

 

[gphagan1]

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Already starting out looking juicy and pumped.

 

[gphagan1]

What do you think about adding in the Caber at like .25mg every 3rd day....and stop the inhibit p

The only thing with Caber is it has its own set of sides. If you could get blood work and see if prolactin is high that would be better. Maybe go down a little on your Trest dose. But if you’re not having nipple issues I would hold off on Caber. Knock on wood, I’ve never had to use Caber, but I’m one of the lucky few that doesn’t get many of the Trest sides. I also usually stay around 75 a week, but never over 150 on Trest. The one time I did experience a lot of the sides was running it at 300, but that was years ago, and never again. But man you talk about getting juicy and strong, that cycle was definitely beastmode.

 

[manifesto]

The only thing with Caber is it has its own set of sides. If you could get blood work and see if prolactin is high that would be better. Maybe go down a little on your Trest dose. But if you’re not having nipple issues I would hold off on Caber. Knock on wood, I’ve never had to use Caber, but I’m one of the lucky few that doesn’t get many of the Trest sides. I also usually stay around 75 a week, but never over 150 on Trest. The one time I did experience a lot of the sides was running it at 300, but that was years ago, and never again. But man you talk about getting juicy and strong, that cycle was definitely beastmode.

What are some of the Caber sides?

 

[gphagan1]

What are some of the Caber sides?

These are the common ones listed on WebMD…
Nausea, vomiting, stomach upset, constipation, dizziness, lightheadedness, or tiredness.
I’ve only known a few guys that have used it, but they all experienced at least two or three of those. And all of them just pretty much said it made them feel like crap. But again I haven’t personally ran it. @Hyde may have tried Caber, but I’m not sure.

 

[Mikereyn513]

You're going to need that estrogen at the upper limits in order for the gh to do its thing. That's a lot of money I would want to make sure I'm squeezing every last ounce out of it

 

[gphagan1]

You're going to need that estrogen at the upper limits in order for the gh to do its thing. That's a lot of money I would want to make sure I'm squeezing every last ounce out of it

That’s actually a really good point.

 

[manifesto]

You're going to need that estrogen at the upper limits in order for the gh to do its thing. That's a lot of money I would i want to make sure I'm squeezing every last ounce out of it

I didnt realize estrogen played a role in properly utilizing the GH...thats interesting

 

[manifesto]

Doing some more reading on caber, looks like it might have some interesting sexual side effects

 

[Hyde]

What are some of the Caber sides?

Permanent heart enlargement, more impulsive decision-making, increased addiction/engagement in addictive behaviors like pornography/gambling/drug use, depression after discontinuation (dopamine-agonist withdrawal syndrome).

Possibly positive side effects would be lowered blood pressure, improved mood, decreased refractory period for orgasm, increased libido & sexual enjoyment. The insatiable libido can be very problematic in conjunction with AAS, so not necessarily a positive.

You’re going to feel better on it, but be prepared for some blues coming off and definitely expect sex to be lackluster by comparison. You aren’t getting that constant dopamine stimulation to the same degree & there is a withdrawal period for like a month or so.

I didnt realize estrogen played a role in properly utilizing the GH...thats interesting

If estrogen is low, HGH doesn’t convert properly to IGF1, which is where all of the anabolic actions of GH stem from. You will get the fat loss initiation but not the pumps, hyperplasia, fullness.

This is what the liver king was doing, taking a bunch of GH and peptides but crushing his estrogen so he wasn’t getting zilch. He couldn’t figure it out until he emailed Vigorous Steve, who leaked the convo & busted him out.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Permanent heart enlargement, more impulsive decision-making, increased addiction/engagement in addictive behaviors like pornography/gambling/drug use, depression after discontinuation (dopamine-agonist withdrawal syndrome).

Possibly positive side effects would be lowered blood pressure, improved mood, decreased refractory period for orgasm, increased libido & sexual enjoyment. The insatiable libido can be very problematic in conjunction with AAS, so not necessarily a positive.

You’re going to feel better on it, but be prepared for some blues coming off and definitely expect sex to be lackluster by comparison. You aren’t getting that constant dopamine stimulation to the same degree & there is a withdrawal period for like a month or so.



If estrogen is low, HGH doesn’t convert properly to IGF1, which is where all of the anabolic actions of GH stem from. You will get the fat loss initiation but not the pumps, hyperplasia, fullness.

This is what the liver king was doing, taking a bunch of GH and peptides but crushing his estrogen so he wasn’t getting zilch. He couldn’t figure it out until he emailed Vigorous Steve, who leaked the convo & busted him out.

That 16 grand a month he was blowing on gh could've gone a long way if his estradiol was 59-60 instead of 5-6

 

[manifesto]

Remember when that gyno reversal Letro protocol was going around??

I wonder how many peeps fvcked themselves up on that

 

[manifesto]

2.5 letro until it's gone

 

[Mikereyn513]

2.5 letro until it's gone

Yea that's nuts if you need letro that bad yiu didn't diet hard enough

 

[Hyde]

Remember when that gyno reversal Letro protocol was going around??

I wonder how many peeps fvcked themselves up on that

2.5 letro until it's gone

Oh bro it was so rough; I remember my joints aching and actually having hot flashes many days just like a woman in menopause. Zero libido, dick went soft for the entire month and some weeks after. Lethargic AF.

Even with a taper up then coming back off, the gyno just swelled right back up as estrogen eventually restored.

The forums were a dark age only a decade ago.

 

[manifesto]

Had to pull the plug boys... got sick af

Back to TRT for now

 

[gphagan1]

Oh crap man, hope you get to feeling better.

 

[Hyde]

Sorry bro, rest up & keep the electrolytes supplemented to stay hydrated if you aren’t eating much

 

[MrKleen73]

Hope you feel better quickly brother.