Losing weight with oxandrolone

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Only in conjuction with test, hcg or exogenous estradiol though. Since it doesnt aromatize, it cannot be a standalone replacement therapy for hypogonadism.
Lol F*CK estrogen. I’d rather my joints feel like crap than have water retention, mood swings, puffiness, less drive , etc. estrogen is evil

There’s no way I’d ever take exogenous estrogen aka birth control 💀 just to take 10 mg of anavar as an alternative HRT therapy
 
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I’d honestly just use DHEA and or, preg for that purpose. Definitely not my gf’s birth control 😂😭
 

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Im definitely leaning up, and about to hit week 6. Im considering running it 12 weeks. Whats your thoughts on a 12 week run?
 
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Im definitely leaning up, and about to hit week 6. Im considering running it 12 weeks. Whats your thoughts on a 12 week run?
I’ll be running 12 weeks at least but I’m also on TD test that I’ve used for years as my TRT.
 

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Lol F*CK estrogen. I’d rather my joints feel like crap than have water retention, mood swings, puffiness, less drive , etc. estrogen is evil

There’s no way I’d ever take exogenous estrogen aka birth control 💀 just to take 10 mg of anavar as an alternative HRT therapy
I agree that exogenous estro is dumb, a bit of hcg is going to provide plenty of estrogen.


To digress a bit, the main issue i have with anavar is that it cuts the HDL in half, sometimes even more than that. Yes, it is a good cutter, but if i am going to go the more expensive drug route, i would go with primobolan (injectable) over anavar.
 
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I agree that exogenous estro is dumb, a bit of hcg is going to provide plenty of estrogen.


To digress a bit, the main issue i have with anavar is that it cuts the HDL in half, sometimes even more than that. Yes, it is a good cutter, but if i am going to go the more expensive drug route, i would go with primobolan (injectable) over anavar.
You know, I've seen bloods done on oral only cycles with hcg. TT was still close to zero. There is doubt if hcg actually produces testosterone on cycle. It most definitely does help your balls, but idk if it actually raises your blood serum test.

There is a mechanism that shuts off test production when you are on cycle, something besides just estrogen in the hypothalamuses E receptors that suppresses. I mean, take a look at some sarm blood work. For instance, I had normal LH on ostarine but TT was almost zero.

Somebody once send me bloods over PM here on AM. He was on SD, a serm and hcg. His TT was bellow lab range. HCG dose was a bit above what's recomended, ie. higher than 250IU e36h.
 
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I agree that exogenous estro is dumb, a bit of hcg is going to provide plenty of estrogen.


To digress a bit, the main issue i have with anavar is that it cuts the HDL in half, sometimes even more than that. Yes, it is a good cutter, but if i am going to go the more expensive drug route, i would go with primobolan (injectable) over anavar.
Yeah but finding real primo is really difficult. If I shelled out good money and wound up with fake primo, i'd be so pissed. I really wanna try primo, but considering the cost and the fact that most of it is fake, I doubt I will.
 
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^ This. Real Primo. Unless it's prescribed from the docky-doc.
 

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Agreed that getting primo is tough. But still, that wont make me revert to sth else, which is more toxic, i will rather run just test then.

As far as hcg and test goes, i can only say that i feel much better on it, and 48 hours post 50mg test e + 500 iu hcg my test levels were 1040 ng/dl.

first 250mg injection ever put me at 1456 ng/dl 48 hr later. I would say hcg raises test levels a bit. What amount? Depends on the dose, but i woukd say 50-100% of your natty production.

If someone has primary hypogonadism, hcg wont raise test levels of course.

Besides, hcg helps optimize thyroid function and makes you feel more energetic and puts you in a better modd, and thyroid gets hit on steroids. I swear this also effects adrenal function. I ws a lethargic zombie when i came off test. 6 hours post hcg shot i felt normal and slightly euphoric actually.

There is a lot more imho that gets shut down when we take steroids other than just T production. HPTA is complex and by using hcg you bring back your whole gland (gonads) to life.

And if you are getting your hcg from anywhere else other than directly from the pharmacyamd straight to the fridge it is likely your hcg is inactive.
I bought hcg off of black market twice and both times it didnt do anything.
Hcg from the pharmacy- incredible ancillairy and imho a must when cycling, if you are not on trt

100mg test per week and i dont feel good

100mg test per week plus 500-1000 iu hcg and i feel 15 again.
 
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Agreed that getting primo is tough. But still, that wont make me revert to sth else, which is more toxic, i will rather run just test then.

As far as hcg and test goes, i can only say that i feel much better on it, and 48 hours post 50mg test e + 500 iu hcg my test levels were 1040 ng/dl.

first 250mg injection ever put me at 1456 ng/dl 48 hr later. I would say hcg raises test levels a bit. What amount? Depends on the dose, but i woukd say 50-100% of your natty production.

If someone has primary hypogonadism, hcg wont raise test levels of course.

Besides, hcg helps optimize thyroid function and makes you feel more energetic and puts you in a better modd, and thyroid gets hit on steroids. I swear this also effects adrenal function. I ws a lethargic zombie when i came off test. 6 hours post hcg shot i felt normal and slightly euphoric actually.

There is a lot more imho that gets shut down when we take steroids other than just T production. HPTA is complex and by using hcg you bring back your whole gland (gonads) to life.

And if you are getting your hcg from anywhere else other than directly from the pharmacyamd straight to the fridge it is likely your hcg is inactive.
I bought hcg off of black market twice and both times it didnt do anything.
Hcg from the pharmacy- incredible ancillairy and imho a must when cycling, if you are not on trt

100mg test per week and i dont feel good

100mg test per week plus 500-1000 iu hcg and i feel 15 again.
Yeah, it's probably a different story, as far as hcg goes, if you are on 50mg test or on a proper cycle. 50mg test is not enough androgens for testies to stop being reactive to LH/HCG.
 

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You know, I've seen bloods done on oral only cycles with hcg. TT was still close to zero. There is doubt if hcg actually produces testosterone on cycle. It most definitely does help your balls, but idk if it actually raises your blood serum test.

There is a mechanism that shuts off test production when you are on cycle, something besides just estrogen in the hypothalamuses E receptors that suppresses. I mean, take a look at some sarm blood work. For instance, I had normal LH on ostarine but TT was almost zero.

Somebody once send me bloods over PM here on AM. He was on SD, a serm and hcg. His TT was bellow lab range. HCG dose was a bit above what's recomended, ie. higher than 250IU e36h.
Thats interesting. It could be the hcg that was used was fake/underdosed. LH is supposed to stimulate the production of testosterone in the testes, and HCG mimics LH so i would think that HCG would directly stimulate test production. And just from anecdotal sources, ive seen HCG boost test levels in people who are on TRT.

Im not saying you are wrong, because you could be right. Im just throwing my .02 in
 
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Thats interesting. It could be the hcg that was used was fake/underdosed. LH is supposed to stimulate the production of testosterone in the testes, and HCG mimics LH so i would think that HCG would directly stimulate test production. And just from anecdotal sources, ive seen HCG boost test levels in people who are on TRT.

Im not saying you are wrong, because you could be right. Im just throwing my .02 in
If it was all up to estrogen and estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, then you could just take a serm and an unlimited amount of dht's and you would be golden. But this is not the case as we all know.
 

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If it was all up to estrogen and estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, then you could just take a serm and an unlimited amount of dht's and you would be golden. But this is not the case as we all know.
Hmmm...androgens are also suppressive to the hpta. Dht's are still suppressive, although less than aromatizeable androgens and of course, far less then progestins.

However, hcg mimics lh, so it bypasses the whole hypothalamus-pituitary axis and works directly at the testicles.

Think of it as synthetic lh. Your natty lh gets suppressed, you take exogenpus lh (hcg).

By taking clomid, you are essentially trying to make your hpta work correctly by blocking estrogen receptors, while androgen levels are still high and they still suppress. As i said, hcg bypasses all of that.
 
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My testosterone pulled a 1600 plus on hcg in TRT.
 
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Hmmm...androgens are also suppressive to the hpta. Dht's are still suppressive, although less than aromatizeable androgens and of course, far less then progestins.

However, hcg mimics lh, so it bypasses the whole hypothalamus-pituitary axis and works directly at the testicles.

Think of it as synthetic lh. Your natty lh gets suppressed, you take exogenpus lh (hcg).

By taking clomid, you are essentially trying to make your hpta work correctly by blocking estrogen receptors, while androgen levels are still high and they still suppress. As i said, hcg bypasses all of that.
I know what hcg is and what it does : )
 
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Steroids don't make you loose weight, they build tissue, which means gaining weight. If your goal is to specifically drop lbs, don't use steroids, or go into a bigger deficit.
 
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This. I find it incredibly difficult to drop any weight once adding in anabolics, no matter how low I go on my calories. Even at 1800 calories, my weight won't budge. But my waist gets smaller, and that's what matters.
There's also a large possiblity you actually on dbol
 
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Hahahaha i know man but you are still sceptical 😁
Well yeah, I'm saying LH/HCG doesn't have the same effect on your balls if you are on a proper dose of aas compared to if you are not or are on a small dose. I'm saying aas directly shutdown test production in your balls and that at that point LH/HCG doesn't have an effect on blood serum test levels but only on intratesticular levels. But I definitely will try this once: do before and after hcg bloods on a cycle to prove/disprove this theory for my self.
 
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Steroids don't make you loose weight, they build tissue, which means gaining weight. If your goal is to specifically drop lbs, don't use steroids, or go into a bigger deficit.
I take steroids to maintain my mass/weight while trying to lose BF. Personally if I reduce cals at all without some help, I will end up looking like a 2x4. BMP is the only thing natty that I’ve taken that will help me not look/feel flat.
 
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Steroids don't make you loose weight, they build tissue, which means gaining weight. If your goal is to specifically drop lbs, don't use steroids, or go into a bigger deficit.
Steroids do in fact help a lot regarding fat loss. You can take a medium dose of aas, don't change anything in your life, don't even need to exercise, and you will lose bf and gain muscle. Talking bout an average dadbot here ...
 
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Steroids do in fact help a lot regarding fat loss. You can take a medium dose of aas, don't change anything in your life, don't even need to exercise, and you will lose bf and gain muscle. Talking bout an average dadbot here ...
I said loose weight, not loose fat. Steroids don't make you loose weight
 
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Steroids do in fact help a lot regarding fat loss. You can take a medium dose of aas, don't change anything in your life, don't even need to exercise, and you will lose bf and gain muscle. Talking bout an average dadbot here ...
Does that include estrogenic compounds and nandrolone ?
 
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Does that include estrogenic compounds and nandrolone ?
All steroids should make it easier to build muscle and loose fat to some degree, when someone gets fat on cycle "guilty here!" It's the diet. The water and bloat from things like dbol and deca can be controlled, and even if you don't, the water will dissapear post cycle revealing a leaner more muscular build. Given that diet was in check
 
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"I just hate seeing people bash oxandrolone. It's literally *the* safest AS there is, and when used correctly (empty stomach) is the most anabolic compound there is. It's the only known androgen that increases the number of androgen receptors in bone and muscle AND promotes the synthesis of new muscle cells. That's why "var gainzz stick" and that's why it's used with such tremendous success in burn victims. It also increases type I collagen synthesis by 100-300% and type 3 collagen synthesis by up to 1100%. There is NO anabolic steroid that even comes close to the power of oxandrolone and NO anabolic steroid with fewer side effects. It's not even liver toxic.

It's not a mass builder because it causes ZERO water retention and causes ZERO intramuscular fat deposition. What it does is increase strength -- massively, and muscle density and hardness -- massively. It increases peak power output, blocks the negative effects of cortisol on muscle, and burns visceral adipose tissue."

This is the post from
this great thread.
Not liver toxic? Please do tell, I have never heard that one before.
 
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Not liver toxic? Please do tell, I have never heard that one before.
Welcome to the party. I was quoting another thread and poster.
Hence, the "QUOTES" Maybe ask @Spurfy

I also linked to the thread itself because not only is it entertaining
it also has some good information.
 
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@justhere4comm still, var cuts the hdl in half and that is the main reason why I am hesitant to use it.
 
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What are your sweet spots as far as dosages go? What’s a typical Var cycle look like for you?
"my opinion" if your var is real, a lot of ugl will fake it with low dose dbol or anadrol, but if you got pharma var, 40mg a day will do a lot. If u have ugl and it's actually var, it's generally underdosed and lots of guys need 80-100mg and that's why I think everyone says var is crap. If you end up with a ugl that put something else in it, well, who knows. But if you get some pharma var, 40mg for 6 weeks is a good place to start
 
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Is it still the case that the big ugl's do this? I'm more and more inclined that this is not the case.
 
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Is it still the case that the big ugl's do this? I'm more and more inclined that this is not the case.
I see chicks get weird sides from var all the time, stuff that dbol is usually responsible for. I also see a lot of chicks get no results from var at 10-20mg which would lead me to believe it's bunk or underdosed. As a whole, lots of the big ugls have gotten better. But it's still not uncommon
 

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"my opinion" if your var is real, a lot of ugl will fake it with low dose dbol or anadrol, but if you got pharma var, 40mg a day will do a lot. If u have ugl and it's actually var, it's generally underdosed and lots of guys need 80-100mg and that's why I think everyone says var is crap. If you end up with a ugl that put something else in it, well, who knows. But if you get some pharma var, 40mg for 6 weeks is a good place to start
I think 40 mg is not a bad place to start if its pharmacy stuff. 50mg from my pharmacy is treating me pretty well. My strength is shooting up and im getting leaner. Even though im in a deficit im not losing weight, and i might actually be putting on a bit of weight (maybe not, the scale read +3lbs yesterday). Im really enjoying 50mgs
 
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I think 40 mg is not a bad place to start if its pharmacy stuff. 50mg from my pharmacy is treating me pretty well. My strength is shooting up and im getting leaner. Even though im in a deficit im not losing weight, and i might actually be putting on a bit of weight (maybe not, the scale read +3lbs yesterday). Im really enjoying 50mgs
Is this your first time using anything? Just wondering
 
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What are your sweet spots as far as dosages go? What’s a typical Var cycle look like for you?
I agree with what Smont was saying. 40mg, and you should be getting decent results if your Var isn't faked or underdosed.
Var and Primo are still faked and underdosed a LOT.

I remember one guy a while back (he tested his Var, and it showed positive) ... He kept bumping the "Var" up until he got over 100mg, looking for results. He finally tossed it. It was obviously severely underdosed.

I've ran (legit) Anavar at 50 and 60mg, and got amazing results. I could lift a house, and people gave me comments on my physique that had never commented before.

It's my favorite steroid.
 

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Is this your first time using anything? Just wondering
No. I ran halodrol and msten separately back in 2012 and a few andro runs around that time.

Recently ive ran oxandrolone 3 times, this is the 3rd. Ive also ran test @500mgs with one of the oxandrolone cycles, and i ran trest @ 10mgs/day with another.
 

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I agree with what Smont was saying. 40mg, and you should be getting decent results if your Var isn't faked or underdosed.
Var and Primo are still faked and underdosed a LOT.

I remember one guy a while back (he tested his Var, and it showed positive) ... He kept bumping the "Var" up until he got over 100mg, looking for results. He finally tossed it. It was obviously severely underdosed.

I've ran (legit) Anavar at 50 and 60mg, and got amazing results. I could lift a house, and people gave me comments on my physique that had never commented before.

It's my favorite steroid.
Crazy strength gains. And they stick too (mostly).
 
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I agree with what Smont was saying. 40mg, and you should be getting decent results if your Var isn't faked or underdosed.
Var and Primo are still faked and underdosed a LOT.

I remember one guy a while back (he tested his Var, and it showed positive) ... He kept bumping the "Var" up until he got over 100mg, looking for results. He finally tossed it. It was obviously severely underdosed.

I've ran (legit) Anavar at 50 and 60mg, and got amazing results. I could lift a house, and people gave me comments on my physique that had never commented before.

It's my favorite steroid.
Right on!

I have 50MG tabs from a compounding pharmacy, got it from my TRT clinic back in February.

I haven’t started it yet due to this corna virus, I didn’t want to take any chances introducing new compounds and fucking with my immune system.

My only concern is liver toxicity. Every sarm cycle in the past has Elevated my ALT/AST drastically. I’m hoping Var is less harsh on my liver, I guess we shall see.
 

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Ostarine elevated my ALT 7x above range. Var elevated it 1.5x if I remember correctly ...
I read a in an article that oxandrolone “transiently raises alt/ast”. So yeah i think its real mild
 
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