Iconic Formualations
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WickedWarlock
Member
Why isn’t oral a viable option?
sns8778
Board Sponsor
I'm not sure why he is saying that it isn't an option right now.
We are no longer making any Epiandro products, but some retailers still have some Epiandro300 in stock and there is still some Stano-Plex in stock. A lot of people were stocking up on it during the Cyber Week sales.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Epiandro300 and Stano-Plex are still available. There just won't be anymore made once existing supplies run out.
As for Ultra Epi versus Ultra Hard, androsterone is a makes for them being a completely different product really, and it is an ingredient that some people love and some people don't, seems to be a very personal response type of ingredient.
Slims
Well-known member
Sorry, that's what I meant. I was looking at options for after the orals run out.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
No worries. I just didn't want anyone to read the thread and think that they were already out of stock everywhere.
Haterank74
Member
Hey Steve why are you no longer making epiandro? time to stock up on XPG epi gels
Haterank74
Member
androsterone helps mood, libido has a slight estrogen lower effects, helps brain fog.. Ultra hard is a good product
Slims
Well-known member
Did you get any side effects from Ultra Hard?
Dustin07
Legend
Hair shedding. a little skin irritation (rough/peely) from a lot of ultra epi or ultrahard on the shoulders, so I migrate it to the feet etc and lotion the shoulders. the androsterone definitely gives me good mood vibes.
I stocked up big time on XPG Epiandro, Stanoplex, and epiandrolean. I have in the past liked to stack something like epiandrolean with ultrahard or ultra epi to get a higher dose of epiandro.
Slims
Well-known member
So you can basically apply it to any lean area where the skin is thin? Tops of feet, shoulders, forearms, scrotum?
jtgoshaff
New member
What dosages of epi do you run on your cycles? I am wanting to do epi td with the stanoplex. Last time I did 11kt and stanoplex at 900mg (1 stano in am, 2 preworkout). What dosage would you recommend with the TD if I ran 600mg stanoplex? Or how do you dose yours and do you stack it with anything?
Dustin07
Legend
traps, delts, shoulders, triceps, biceps, chest, ankles, tops of feet. but i'm too hairy to apply it anywhere else. I know sustain alpha is recommended to be applied to scrotum and inner thighs but the idea of it makes me a little uncomfortable, I also found that it left my thighs itchy.
I'm no scientist the other guys around here would have better advice but I can tell you what I have done and that's increase dose each run as I figure out my tolerance and expectations.
My first cycle of oral only epi, I ran recommended dose, like 600mg with maybe an occasional 900mg on lifting days. My first TD epi, started only preWO on lifting days. Then the full 4-5 pumps per day every day. Last spring was my biggest run I ran a full 600-900mg oral via epiandrolean + the 400 or 500mg ultra epi from iconic.
Right now, I'm stacking a small dose of var (20mg daily, 30mg on bench days) with 4 pumps of xpg epiandro and 600mg of epiandrolean. I run 2 pumps td in the morning and 2 pumps at night. The pumps today in the gym were insane. I felt like my body looked like I'm on PEDs and I didn't even really recognize myself. My wife said my muscles looked "huge" the other day LOL so it must be working
sometimes there is nothing harder to impress than the woman who sees you every day at your best and worst.
Dustin07
Legend
one side effect I forgot to mention because I often don't notice it, is short fuse/aggression. I recall Hyde mentioning that and after last springs run I did start to notice it in myself. last night driving home I was ready to get out of my car on the highway and fight about 7 people not driving how I thought they should. I sorta laughed at myself when I realized the epi is probably kicking in.
I honestly like feeling that way, with an extra hint of aggression. it feels far more normal to me, than the extreme otherside (like depression). it hasn't led to me getting into fist fights or breaking anything or throwing plates or nothing like that, but I can sense the almost like small dog syndrome aggression and chest puffery in myself as I get deep into a heavy epiandro cycle.
I honestly like feeling that way, with an extra hint of aggression. it feels far more normal to me, than the extreme otherside (like depression). it hasn't led to me getting into fist fights or breaking anything or throwing plates or nothing like that, but I can sense the almost like small dog syndrome aggression and chest puffery in myself as I get deep into a heavy epiandro cycle.
WickedWarlock
Member
Well…you are on PEDs lmaotraps, delts, shoulders, triceps, biceps, chest, ankles, tops of feet. but i'm too hairy to apply it anywhere else. I know sustain alpha is recommended to be applied to scrotum and inner thighs but the idea of it makes me a little uncomfortable, I also found that it left my thighs itchy.
I'm no scientist the other guys around here would have better advice but I can tell you what I have done and that's increase dose each run as I figure out my tolerance and expectations.
My first cycle of oral only epi, I ran recommended dose, like 600mg with maybe an occasional 900mg on lifting days. My first TD epi, started only preWO on lifting days. Then the full 4-5 pumps per day every day. Last spring was my biggest run I ran a full 600-900mg oral via epiandrolean + the 400 or 500mg ultra epi from iconic.
Right now, I'm stacking a small dose of var (20mg daily, 30mg on bench days) with 4 pumps of xpg epiandro and 600mg of epiandrolean. I run 2 pumps td in the morning and 2 pumps at night. The pumps today in the gym were insane. I felt like my body looked like I'm on PEDs and I didn't even really recognize myself. My wife said my muscles looked "huge" the other day LOL so it must be working
Dustin07
Legend
LOL that was my point
^ anyone get anxiety from epiandro ? Does oral vs transdermal make any difference for you ? Thanx
yeah a little. I've mixed it up here and there to see if it was a different additive doing it. Today for instance I stacked stanoplex with xpg epiandro whereas normally I stack epiandrolean. epiandrolean has the KSM 66 and also has the Grains of Paradise. I don't think I react poorly to KSM 66 but maybe? I only notice it when running high doses towards the end of a cycle.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
^ anyone get anxiety from epiandro ? Does oral vs transdermal make any difference for you ? Thanx
Oral dosing - I feel great at 600 mg., as in good results and also my mood is improved and I feel better. If I go up to 900 mg., I get slightly better results in the gym, but the good mood results at 600 mg. are replaced with a bit of edginess at 900 mg. Anything above 900 mg. is a no go for me.
TD dosing - I feel great at 300 mg. - but going above that has the same effect as explained above with oral dosing.
Dustin07
Legend
do you ever go off label with frequency or duration of cycle? I have a few time popped an epiandrolean here and there preWO when I was in a mental slump. like 300mg once a day 2-3 days a week inbetween cycles. I could be off my rocker and just enjoying a placebo, but I feel like it has got me mentally right after a long cycle at a high daily dose.
KlausCoin
Member
fellow epiandro enjooooyer
- picked up 2 bottles of MA epiandro 300 & a bottle of xpg epi andro gel during the cybermonday deals
will be saving these for an early spring run
last year when i ran MA epiandro 300 i started at 600 mg and tapered up to 900 mg on workout days for the last few weeks.
This next run i will be running them alongside xpg alpha gel, XPG suppress C , CEL m-test, and mk-677
but im curious on recommendations of running ultra hard, 4 andro or DHEA -50 with it - just worried about gyno and sensitive nips
- picked up 2 bottles of MA epiandro 300 & a bottle of xpg epi andro gel during the cybermonday deals
will be saving these for an early spring run
last year when i ran MA epiandro 300 i started at 600 mg and tapered up to 900 mg on workout days for the last few weeks.
This next run i will be running them alongside xpg alpha gel, XPG suppress C , CEL m-test, and mk-677
but im curious on recommendations of running ultra hard, 4 andro or DHEA -50 with it - just worried about gyno and sensitive nips
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KlausCoin
Member
when my package from DPS came in this week i did the exact same thing and popped a 300mg before a workout
paired with some gorilla mode nitric I had an insane push day.
then next day i did the same thing and had a great leg day lol
promised myself to hold off until the next run
Dustin07
Legend
I have had zero issues with ultra hard, ultra epi, xpg dhea, gear cream, etc. the only thing that has given me any irritation was dermacrine, but I think it was the pregnenolone. today I'm on like day 4-5 of just adding one pump of dermacrine and the itchiness has actually disappeared. its currently stacked with my var and epiandro.
one of the biggies to me is I don't want to waste my supply on small doses that don't have a meaningful impact as well...
Haterank74
Member
I add a pump or 2 to my balls of sustain works greattraps, delts, shoulders, triceps, biceps, chest, ankles, tops of feet. but i'm too hairy to apply it anywhere else. I know sustain alpha is recommended to be applied to scrotum and inner thighs but the idea of it makes me a little uncomfortable, I also found that it left my thighs itchy.
I'm no scientist the other guys around here would have better advice but I can tell you what I have done and that's increase dose each run as I figure out my tolerance and expectations.
My first cycle of oral only epi, I ran recommended dose, like 600mg with maybe an occasional 900mg on lifting days. My first TD epi, started only preWO on lifting days. Then the full 4-5 pumps per day every day. Last spring was my biggest run I ran a full 600-900mg oral via epiandrolean + the 400 or 500mg ultra epi from iconic.
Right now, I'm stacking a small dose of var (20mg daily, 30mg on bench days) with 4 pumps of xpg epiandro and 600mg of epiandrolean. I run 2 pumps td in the morning and 2 pumps at night. The pumps today in the gym were insane. I felt like my body looked like I'm on PEDs and I didn't even really recognize myself. My wife said my muscles looked "huge" the other day LOL so it must be working
Haterank74
Member
I have been using Alpha Gainz STANO TD good stuff I'm noticing it at 2ml a day ... i have really enjoyed anything recently in SALVO...
ICON11
STANO TD
VII-KT
Neuro AET
all been great , cant wait to try 4 DHEA with maybe Alpha ANDRO later.. easy of application and effects have been great on the above list.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
No, I've never used it as a here or there type of thing. For me, it was always an 8 week cycle.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with people doing that that want to though.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
A lot of people use DHEA-50 Gel with it. A lot of people use that year round for general health regimens.
DHEA-50 Gel is a good option for people to use that have experienced or are worried about experiencing estrogenic issues with oral DHEA. It's highly unlikely to experience that from the topical form.
Dustin07
Legend
I don't want to give you bad advice because people respond differently and if you have it in your head that it could cause issues, that can be a self fullfilling prophecy with things like anxiety. I personally have experienced both the fun of panic attacks and anxiety attacks at different high stress periods of my life. I at first attributed it to my use of Tribulus. There may be some connection there, because when I take tribulus consistently it seems like my stress levels spike with it. Mine were so bad I was off caffiene for months. My worst one I had my brother take me to the ER because I thought I was having a heart attack... it was that bad. Over time when they'd hit, I started turning on the angriest rock I could to get my brain to fight back. I actually think it worked/helped.
in my humble opinion, Sustain Alpha (like Alpha Gel) are very mild but wonderful products that can help get you right, give a slight boost in energy and libido. I have not had anxiety or panic type reactions to either.