Having kids after blast & cruise

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I plan to blast and cruise for a couple years 3 at most. I want to have children someday within the next decade. I want to cruise test E 250mg a week and blast tren here and there maybe throw in some extra things as time flys.
My main concern is the possibility of infertility. My overall health is fine. I take all my multivitamins and fish oil. I work at GNC so I’m not concerned about healthy supplementation.
I’ve had about 5 cycles so far all successful. Never a cycle longer than 3 months tho. I always had an overkill on PCT. Would an aggressive PCT be good to bounce back from a blast & cruise? A PCT protocol of overkill on clomid and nolva along with over the counter test boosters. My main concern is having children someday. Anyone personally have experience on this?
 
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Restart after blast and cruise is entirely possible. Obviously a more aggressive pct is going to be needed, hcg on cycle will help keep things working, but it’s not necessary. It will however be necessary for a quick and effective return to fertility if it’s going to happen at all.
 

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Restart after blast and cruise is entirely possible. Obviously a more aggressive pct is going to be needed, hcg on cycle will help keep things working, but it’s not necessary. It will however be necessary for a quick and effective return to fertility if it’s going to happen at all.
So you’re saying HCG is absolutely needed for recovery in order for fertility? I never really understood how to use HCG. It comes in IU and has a weird powder ampules along with a liquid and idk if I’m supposed to stir it or something. I’d rather avoid HCG unless it’s mandatory
 

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I kinda went into it knowing that it was a gamble and that there is a chance i wont be able to have kids. I dont want them now, but i might one day. More than likely actually. I guess i will know if i regret it when and IF a day comes where im told i cant have kids. Just another important thing to consider when making the decision to get on brother.
 
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So you’re saying HCG is absolutely needed for recovery in order for fertility? I never really understood how to use HCG. It comes in IU and has a weird powder ampules along with a liquid and idk if I’m supposed to stir it or something. I’d rather avoid HCG unless it’s mandatory
I’m saying it’s needed if you want to regain fertility and recover quickly. It’s the only way it’s almost guaranteed. Everything else you’ll do could take any amount of time. If you let your balls atrophy for three years without a break, they’re going to need some recovery for sure. You could even do permanent damage.
 

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So you’re saying HCG is absolutely needed for recovery in order for fertility? I never really understood how to use HCG. It comes in IU and has a weird powder ampules along with a liquid and idk if I’m supposed to stir it or something. I’d rather avoid HCG unless it’s mandatory
i have been doing a lot of research on this as the doc put me on test and hcg per my initial Rx. i read one TRT docs blog and he states that the best protocol is using it the first week of the month at HCG 250 + HCG 250 then take a few weeks off, then do it again the first week of the next month. This was the first I had read of this protocol and his logic is you dont get any desensitization using this timing since the exogenous hcg use isn't constant and forever ... it makes sense to me but i am just beginning TRT
 

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So you’re saying HCG is absolutely needed for recovery in order for fertility? I never really understood how to use HCG. It comes in IU and has a weird powder ampules along with a liquid and idk if I’m supposed to stir it or something. I’d rather avoid HCG unless it’s mandatory
There's a solid chance you'll never bounce back from this. If you want to give yourself the best chance for success, you'll try to do the things that the knowledgeable guys recommend.
It's a gamble either way, but they can help you increase your odds.
Learning how to mix and use HCG is an extremely minor consideration.
 
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So you’re saying HCG is absolutely needed for recovery in order for fertility? I never really understood how to use HCG. It comes in IU and has a weird powder ampules along with a liquid and idk if I’m supposed to stir it or something. I’d rather avoid HCG unless it’s mandatory
Obtain HCG and bio water
Draw out amount of water required to reconstitute HCG
Draw same amount of air out of HCG vial
Gently put water in the vial or ampule of HCG
Gently swirl till HCG is reconstituted
Inject HCG
Sore the rest in a clean with rubber stopper
Keep in fridge

Pretty sure I didn’t miss anything. Haven’t had to use it before but it’s not hard to reconstitute stuff
 
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There's a solid chance you'll never bounce back from this. If you want to give yourself the best chance for success, you'll try to do the things that the knowledgeable guys recommend.
It's a gamble either way, but they can help you increase your odds.
Learning how to mix and use HCG is an extremely minor consideration.
Lots of pros do B&C for some years and then come off and have kids.

Lots of pros also never recover, too.

So yeah, it’s a gamble.
 
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If AAS use was a reliable sterilization technique, it would be used for that medically. They still have yet to figure that one out. Good chance that even if a guy lost his ability to produce test there’s no guarantee he loses his sperm too. It either happens or it doesn’t. Seems like Deca and 19nors do play a large role as well.
 

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There's a solid chance you'll never bounce back from this. If you want to give yourself the best chance for success, you'll try to do the things that the knowledgeable guys recommend.
It's a gamble either way, but they can help you increase your odds.
Learning how to mix and use HCG is an extremely minor consideration.
what do you mean by this? why wouldnt you bounce back?
 

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what do you mean by this? why wouldnt you bounce back?
Any time you introduce shutdown in your body, there is the posibility that your system will never start back. Things like increaed time of shutdown, and particular compounds (like 19 Nors) can increase the chances that your body will not bounce back. That is why a lot of guys on here no longer have their own natural Test production. Were you not aware of this?
 
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what do you mean by this? why wouldnt you bounce back?
Because the testes can’t just be atrophied and stay atrophied for long periods. The leydig cells will die off, and then possibly the Sertoli cells. Effectively castrating you. The thing is, there is no guarantee of the latter, even less so than the former is almost a certainty. Pro bodybuilders do often end up on trt, this is a fact, but that doesn’t mean they completely lost their sperm production too. Most need hcg to do it, others don’t, all of them on trt for life though regardless.

I’d be lying if I said nobody ever fathered a child while on cycle.
 
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Any time you introduce shutdown in your body, there is the posibility that your system will never start back. Things like increaed time of shutdown, and particular compounds (like 19 Nors) can increase the chances that your body will not bounce back. That is why a lot of guys on here no longer have their own natural Test production. Were you not aware of this?
Right, every time you’re shut down, there’s a chance it will never return. The more times you’re shut down, or for long periods, the chances become exponentially greater that it will never return.

Of course, that’s testosterone production, and we’re talking sperm production, which isn’t as hindered by aas use. It definitely is affected, but it is far more user dependent than test production which is almost guaranteed to completely shut down in the presence of a proper cycle dosage of good ol AAS.
 
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Maybe one day there will be a gene doping technique where we can induce the leydig cells to produce trestolone and DHB, the HPTA is set to “gorilla”, the liver produces an enzyme that converts DHB into Anavar, and the male nipples become completely unnaffectable by estrogen and prolactin.
 

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Any time you introduce shutdown in your body, there is the posibility that your system will never start back. Things like increaed time of shutdown, and particular compounds (like 19 Nors) can increase the chances that your body will not bounce back. That is why a lot of guys on here no longer have their own natural Test production. Were you not aware of this?
ah. i think i just mis read or miscommunicated - what i was reading/asking was in response to the unique protocol i read online (a TRT doc had it on his site) and his thinking was you hit your body with HCG one a month to keep your boys afloat, and you dont hit them constantly with HCG while on TRT (with no 3 week breaks in between dose)

I was not advocating this or saying i know best - just parroting what i read because i thought it was an interesting take.

i was unaware that 19 nors are seen as riskier. that was new to me. i was aware that exogenous anabolics can potentially shut you down forever. i thought that was common sense
 

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ah. i think i just mis read or miscommunicated - what i was reading/asking was in response to the unique protocol i read online (a TRT doc had it on his site) and his thinking was you hit your body with HCG one a month to keep your boys afloat, and you dont hit them constantly with HCG while on TRT (with no 3 week breaks in between dose)

I was not advocating this or saying i know best - just parroting what i read because i thought it was an interesting take.

i was unaware that 19 nors are seen as riskier. that was new to me. i was aware that exogenous anabolics can potentially shut you down forever. i thought that was common sense
Yeah brother, if you look at my post (the one that you asked, " What do you mean by this"), you'll see that it was directed to the original poster's post, and not yours.
I actually found your post interesting, and will look into it.
 
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Yes, hcg would prevent atrophy or would break from atrophy at least, so then this damage cannot occur. If you use too much, the cells will desensitize to it. And thereby desensitize to LH and FSH.

It should be seen as a smart practice to use hcg on cycle or during cruise etc. once a month or even once every two months is adequate or should be for many.
 

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It should be seen as a smart practice to use hcg on cycle or during cruise etc. once a month or even once every two months is adequate or should be for many.


good to know!

if i were to use HCG once every 8 weeks what would be a adequate shot to keep the boys working
 

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Im contributing to the evolution of humans who eventually will be able to turn their nuts on and off without risk of permanent damage
 
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Tons of pros have kids. Almost none avoid TRT.

OP, you do this and you are committing to lifetime TRT. When you wanna have kids, you start HCG, come off completely, add HMG, Clomid, Nolva, Cialis and suck it up while you pray it only takes a few months of baking cream pies together. She conceives...and then you get back on to return to a decent quality of life.

There’s not usually a magic restart to a decent level after 3 years of being on, including bi-annual tren blasts. Best likely scenario would be to be able to cruise a SERM like low-dosed Clomid, but your straight up natty production isn’t something you should bet on.
 

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Tons of pros have kids. Almost none avoid TRT.

OP, you do this and you are committing to lifetime TRT. When you wanna have kids, you start HCG, come off completely, add HMG, Clomid, Nolva, Cialis and suck it up while you pray it only takes a few months of baking cream pies together. She conceives...and then you get back on to return to a decent quality of life.

There’s not usually a magic restart to a decent level after 3 years of being on, including bi-annual tren blasts. Best likely scenario would be to be able to cruise a SERM like low-dosed Clomid, but your straight up natty production isn’t something you should bet on.
What do you think about blasting HCG along with an aggressive PCT with clomid and nolva? I heard the body can get used to HCG and it can permanently effect you. I’d rather my first time using HCG be when I’m done with it all so my body can respond best to the HCG and then begin sperm production at best quality. So maybe hold off on HCG until after the blast and cruise?
 
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What do you think about blasting HCG along with an aggressive PCT with clomid and nolva? I heard the body can get used to HCG and it can permanently effect you. I’d rather my first time using HCG be when I’m done with it all so my body can respond best to the HCG and then begin sperm production at best quality. So maybe hold off on HCG until after the blast and cruise?
Certainly would be more convenient, worrying about it years from now, wouldn’t it?

Idk for sure, but like I said pros have kids all the time (usually daughters, btw). They can’t all have been steady pulsing HCG, probably not most of them, but in the end they can get fertile long enough to make a baby. If Branch Warren can do it, so can you. I do not think you that will ever be an issue for most. I have heard a dr say of the thousands of clients he had only one pair of twins could not be made to produce even a single sperm with direct medical intervention. 1 set of genetics amongst thousands.

The bigger issue is requiring HRT for life, IMO.
 

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