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When is the best time to take boron?

Yesterday I took 3mg along with 250mg of Shilajit PrimaVie in the morning and I had a hard time sleeping last night. I was very energized all day, but maybe it was just all the Christmas activity. But very hard to wind down and relax last night.

Also, some folks and studies I just read are purporting that it increases E2 and then others saying decreases: what gives??
Boron is not messing with your sleep, it actually can improve sleep. And as far as I know it only increased estrogen in old ladies.
 
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When is the best time to take boron?

Yesterday I took 3mg along with 250mg of Shilajit PrimaVie in the morning and I had a hard time sleeping last night. I was very energized all day, but maybe it was just all the Christmas activity. But very hard to wind down and relax last night.

Also, some folks and studies I just read are purporting that it increases E2 and then others saying decreases: what gives??
Morning would be the best time to take boron. It shouldn't cause any estrogen issues with you.
 
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Good testimony. I'm excited to see what my free/total test and e2 levels will be in the next coming months.

I am having my DHT tested Aug 31.
Did boron supplementation improve your hormone profile?

Also, I noticed when on keto diet my libido was pretty much non existent.
 
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Did boron supplementation improve your hormone profile?

Also, I noticed when on keto diet my libido was pretty much non existent.
How much fat and protein were you consuming per day? I have not been retested for testosterone yet. Been strapped for cash, but plan to
 
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How much fat and protein were you consuming per day? I have not been retested for testosterone yet. Been strapped for cash, but plan to
A typical day was 230g protein, 210g fat and 25g carbs
 
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Do you cycle boron? Like 5/2 for 4 weeks then take a month off or??
I can only speak for mine .. I haven’t taken it solo

But have taken it for 8weeks combined with other stuff .. and works pretty well.

Maybe someone who have ran solo can chime in if it benefits running 5/2 protocol
 
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I can only speak for mine .. I haven’t taken it solo

But have taken it for 8weeks combined with other stuff .. and works pretty well.

Maybe someone who have ran solo can chime in if it benefits running 5/2 protocol
I believe (could be wrong) that elevations in free test were shown around day 14 of use in a few studies. So 5 on 2 off would not make sense to me.

Don't ask me to link studies because I have no clue how to post links lol
 

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Do you cycle boron? Like 5/2 for 4 weeks then take a month off or??
Honestly I am not sure what the point of cycling like that would benefit.

I am just trying to understand what MOA Boron would work by that would require such an on off idea.
 
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Honestly I am not sure what the point of cycling like that would benefit.

I am just trying to understand what MOA Boron would work by that would require such an on off idea.
It looks like the old gh secretagogue protocols
 
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Honestly I am not sure what the point of cycling like that would benefit.

I am just trying to understand what MOA Boron would work by that would require such an on off idea.
I don't personally see any reason one would want it need to cycle it.
 

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It looks like the old gh secretagogue protocols
Ya I understand I have seen it with more hormonal things (which I have much less experience with so I can't comment), just unsure why a mineral would need dosing that way.

I don't personally see any reason one would want it need to cycle it.
I wrote up a longer post but deleted because I wasn't sure it was worth it. Basically ya, vitamins and minerals I'd say you want to dose to get the adequate amounts you may be missing from diet in and you want that consistently. Maybe higher to start to get there "faster" but I don't think I'd stop taking Boron (or things similar) unless I really felt I was nailing the needs of it in my diet, if that makes sense.
 
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Ya I understand I have seen it with more hormonal things (which I have much less experience with so I can't comment), just unsure why a mineral would need dosing that way.



I wrote up a longer post but deleted because I wasn't sure it was worth it. Basically ya, vitamins and minerals I'd say you want to dose to get the adequate amounts you may be missing from diet in and you want that consistently. Maybe higher to start to get there "faster" but I don't think I'd stop taking Boron (or things similar) unless I really felt I was nailing the needs of it in my diet, if that makes sense.
Im not saying that's a reaon to cycle it in the manner he described, I see zero reason to do so. I'm just saying that 5 on 2 off made me think of the way they use to suggest using a lot of those worthless hgh products back in the day
 

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Thanks for all the recent replies, gents. Good thoughts and points were made. I could not find anything in various searches and asked because since it's often included in other "all in one" supplements that do suggest cycling.

Cheers.
 

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Anyone have blood test from both ON and OFF Boron to actually know how much it raises free test?

I have been taking 15-20mg ed for the last 2 month or so but not sure I see or feel any different.
 
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Anyone have blood test from both ON and OFF Boron to actually know how much it raises free test?

I have been taking 15-20mg ed for the last 2 month or so but not sure I see or feel any different.
Effective dose is 3-10mg in studies. It actually starts becoming toxic at 20 or 30mg so I'd lower the dose regardless
 
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Ok I was a little off, no negetive effects up to 20 mg, at 30 it can damage liver, kidneys, brain and even result in death apparently
 

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Ok I was a little off, no negetive effects up to 20 mg, at 30 it can damage liver, kidneys, brain and even result in death apparently
Yeah I saw that, some one on here recommended to “mega dose” in the beginning to free up more test and to get a “mild Proviron” effect but idk, so far nothing... I have Boron citrate, does it matter which one?
 
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Yeah I saw that, some one on here recommended to “mega dose” in the beginning to free up more test and to get a “mild Proviron” effect but idk, so far nothing... I have Boron citrate, does it matter which one?
Honestly I'm not sure. It's a topic I've breezed through a couple times but not really dove too deep into
 

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Ok I was a little off, no negetive effects up to 20 mg, at 30 it can damage liver, kidneys, brain and even result in death apparently
Interesting since some products, like Viron (which I like), seem to have 20mg per does and recommend 1 - 2 doses per day.
 

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Interesting since some products, like Viron (which I like), seem to have 20mg per does and recommend 1 - 2 doses per day.
I wouldn't go above 20mg of active Boron per day. I won't get into it again but check the beginning of this thread, after a little bit you'll see I went over proper labelling of the mineral and how to determine the amount. I can't personally speak for how all products, but I go over what it should look like on a proper label.

You probably don't need 20mg anyways. Tons of benefits at 3mg per day, some studies at 6mg, and some of the testosterone benefits at 10mg per day, which is probably what I'd take if I was after that.
 
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I wouldn't go above 20mg of active Boron per day. I won't get into it again but check the beginning of this thread, after a little bit you'll see I went over proper labelling of the mineral and how to determine the amount. I can't personally speak for how all products, but I go over what it should look like on a proper label.

You probably don't need 20mg anyways. Tons of benefits at 3mg per day, some studies at 6mg, and some of the testosterone benefits at 10mg per day, which is probably what I'd take if I was after that.
Well said.

Just get a couple cups of prune juice in every day. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Boron-HealthProfessional/
 

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I wouldn't go above 20mg of active Boron per day. I won't get into it again but check the beginning of this thread, after a little bit you'll see I went over proper labelling of the mineral and how to determine the amount. I can't personally speak for how all products, but I go over what it should look like on a proper label.

You probably don't need 20mg anyways. Tons of benefits at 3mg per day, some studies at 6mg, and some of the testosterone benefits at 10mg per day, which is probably what I'd take if I was after that.
I dig it. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, sir.
 
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Bump to say I'm still seeing conflicting reports on boron's affect on e2. One study shows 10mg boron supplementation raising free t and estrogen rising shortly after, which would make sense. Other studies say it increases free t and lowers e2. Hard to make heads or tails without labs and it sounds like repeated labs would be necessary to prove out short term and long term affects on e2. Anyone have further info?
 
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Bump to say I'm still seeing conflicting reports on boron's affect on e2. One study shows 10mg boron supplementation raising free t and estrogen rising shortly after, which would make sense. Other studies say it increases free t and lowers e2. Hard to make heads or tails without labs and it sounds like repeated labs would be necessary to prove out short term and long term affects on e2. Anyone have further info?
If it’s raising testosterone/ free test, it probably does also raise estrogen, whether it’s just because it’s freeing up hormones, or the result of more testosterone aromatizing into more estrogen. Any test booster will raise estrogen unless there is something that will add a bit of anti aromatase. I don’t think boron has anti aromatase properties.
 
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I've been on boron now for at least 2 months. Started 12mg for 2 weeks and doing 6mg maintenance everyday. I don't feel any different; libido is normal, no morning erections though sex life is OK, strength increase is there but slow progression, I don't feel any leaner or defined. The most notable effect is that I get easily aggravated by small things. Patience has become limited.
 

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