First Cycle: 231mg of SubQ Test Propionate a Week

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Can't believe I took my first shot of test prop tonight! Legit pharma grade 50mg/ml stuff. I'm using 0.66ml a day (every day) for three weeks. Short cycle and low dose, but I want to minimize sides. I have access to pharma grade NPP too and I might run a very low dose for just a week on my next cycle. Like, just 25mg across four doses due to how damaging nandrolone is to the heart (but with a test base).

I've been working out for...about 20 years, on and off. I've majorly recomped over the last year and people definitely notice. I used to stuff my face for gainz (and while it worked and I recovered quick, I got fat). I'm 40, 6' 230lbs. Around 25% bodyfat (I know, I'm fat). Working out with both weights and calisthenics and my diet and supplementation are really good. Been holding weight steady for many months while losing fat and gaining muscle. Let's see what adding a little supraphysiological testosterone to things brings.

Oh, I'm also on Clomid and I'm going to stay on through the cycle. I was on 12.5mg ED but I recently bumped it up to 25mg ED. Pharma grade again. Let's see what the next three weeks brings! Going to try and sleep the best I can and I'm cutting out alcohol and pot/tobacco for the next three weeks to maximize my gains.
 
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Are you on trt bro?

even if you are that’s a ridiculous short cycle. And NPP for a week? Literally zero point

im all for low doses but at 231mg a week your barely above trt, it’s just pointless and if you aren’t on trt this is one of the worst ideas I’ve seen tbh, you will end up worse off.

Honestly dude, nothing about this makes sense, clomid on cycle? I mean nolva for estrogen control Id get but clomid? If your thinking that’s boosting your test levels (which I’m guessing is your logic) that’s not gonna work with the prop in your system.

sorry to p1ss on your chips man but this sounds like a horrible plan
 

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About the response I expected to get. :)

In brief: gains are fastest for the first three weeks of a testosterone cycle

low dose testosterone does work and works well for a first cycle: plenty of evidence of that out there

Maintaining the Clomid dose through the cycle should give me a headstart on returning to production. I was using Andriol on Clomid and I recovered extremely quickly when I came off thanks to the Clomid

I know what most people advocate nowadays, but I'm doing this my way. Let's see what happens
 
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Not on TRT
wow. Then it’s literally just pointless bro. You won’t get any benefits at all (it simply takes longer than 3 weeks for test to provide any sort of long lasting benefit) but it’s just long enough to shut down your natural production. During the period where that is recovering you’ll likely lose more mass than you gained and store more fat than you lost.

id love to here your logic for doing this but I’m genuinely trying to be helpful when I say you should stop now and research this stuff way way more before you use anabolics.
 

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Gonna give this dose a go for three weeks: if no noticeable change, I may bump it up to 350 for the next cycle. Prop is great for this test since it has a shorter half-life and peaks much quicker, plus I can keep my levels even with daily pinning.

My health is very important to me. I have a genetic risk for heart disease and higher test doses cause more damage to the heart and promote atherosclerosis in a dose-dependent fashion. Hence the less is more approach to see what works (and what doesn't).

I am considering tapering off for five days at the end: 0.66 down to 0.5, 0.4, 0.3, 0.2, 0.1 ml (while on Clomid).
 
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you can increase muscular glycogen storage and improve your bodies ability to recruit muscle fibres already there in 3 weeks sure.

that’s not the same as adding actual contractile tissue, both of those things (which your basing on very small studies) will disappear quickly upon cessation, you will not make ‘gains’ like you think.

you will mess up your hormones.

this is like risking your marriage to go to a whore for her to stroke your chest. It’s pointless and I can tell you (and I sure lots of others on here will do likewise) that in the real world what you think will happen simply won’t (and this is from experience).

if you have those genetic risks simply don’t mess with anabolics at all bro. There’s no point, I wouldn’t in your shoes.
 

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you can increase muscular glycogen storage and improve your bodies ability to recruit muscle fibres already there in 3 weeks sure.

that’s not the same as adding actual contractile tissue, both of those things (which your basing on very small studies) will disappear quickly upon cessation, you will not make ‘gains’ like you think.

you will mess up your hormones.

this is like risking your marriage to go to a whore for her to stroke your chest. It’s pointless and I can tell you (and I sure lots of others on here will do likewise) that in the real world what you think will happen simply won’t (and this is from experience).

if you have those genetic risks simply don’t mess with anabolics at all bro. There’s no point, I wouldn’t in your shoes.
Appreciate the input, but I'm going to try this and see what happens. I'm totally healthy NOW so if I'm going to try a cycle, now is really the time to do it. Older men with heart disease + anabolics = big no no
 
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@Whisky is 100% correct, bro.
This whole plan is bad.
But I understand you're going to do it anyway.
I'm really not sure why you posted this.
You don't like the responses (which you said you already knew you'd get).
LOL.

I guess you could log it, if you like.
 

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Yup, gonna log it for myself and let's see what happens. If I don't notice appreciable changes then I know better for next time ;)
 

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Lol, I don’t even know where to start but this might be Top 3 the worst cycles I ever heard of 😂

I vote for not logging it, in fact, I would rather you erase this whole thread so we can pretend it never happened and we all can live much happier.
 

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Libido up and I slept really well. I also feel like my fat is going soft which is usually how it feels before it drops off. My chest fat seems to be disappearing too. Seems to be working well so far! Some of the TRT crowd have great results on much lower doses and this amount of prop should hopefully take me supraphysiological. I've been noticing some weird squirmy sensations in my lower abs since the first shot which is weird, but seems harmless. My appetite is also pretty hardcore atm!

I've decided to see how things are looking on Day 7. If I feel I need more, I'll up my dosage to 350mg/week. That's an easy amount since my ampules are 1ml of 50mg/ml test prop each, so one ampoule a day would make my life a little easier vs splitting ampules up.

The Clomid also seems to be doing the trick and while my testicles are a little smaller, they're still firm and my semen is still normal looking. Let's see if they stay hard and maintain size through the entire cycle though!
 
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You should post progress pics. Unless this is a diary where you can write up whatever you want?
Was considering progress pics but I have very distinctive tattoos all over 😉
 
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me too! I feel I been missing out on this daily fat melting action, like why didn’t anyone tell me about this before?! 🤔
just wait till the pros find out…..3 weeks test prop at only just over trt to get stage ready. Those dumb schumks been slogging it out for weeks using all sorts to melt fat and the answer has been there all along 🤣
 

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This is my first cycle and if you wanna hit pro bodybuilding levels then you def wanna go higher/use other compounds of course. I'm just trying to do this as safely as possible and give myself a little boost. Upped my dose to 0.9ml today since I had that much left over from splitting ampoules, and from tomorrow onwards I'll be using 1ml a day so we're up to 350mg a week from tomorrow onwards. Noticing more confidence and my growth is definitely a little faster. Getting acne like I'm 30 again (definitely didn't miss the acne).

My weight is up another lb. In caloric surplus (appetite is bigger) and I appear to have gained some fat in the last few days because of the extra food. It's either that or just water retention from sodium intake before bed. Dropping calories back down some again since I'm up over 2lbs since I started, but maintaining 1g/lb protein intake as always. I feel pretty good.

This prop is really good. No PIP ever! There's no alcohol in it so I guess benzyl alcohol is the issue with prop PIP.

Just hit a new rep record on pullovers tonight. Pretty happy about that! Let's see how my body responds to the higher dose.
 
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Definitely noticing more rapid gains on the higher dosage. Now that I'm in caloric deficit again I'm only a lb up from when I started, but with pretty significant fat loss. Supraphysiological test seems to significantly accelerate what was already happening. I had some mild chest discomfort (kinda like heartburn/cooling) at 231mg and it's a bit worse at 350mg. Other than that, no other symptoms. Acne seems fine now as well.

Clomid is still working to keep the balls active at the higher dosage, but I think I have very slightly more testicular atrophy.
 

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you’ve been on the higher dosage one day 🤣🤣

damm son, you are clearly the most hyper responsive guy on the planet. Mr O here we fxuking come
I'll be the new Dorian Yates in two weeks mate.

I'm certainly very happy with the way things are going and it's gonna suck to go back to mere mortal levels for a bit. I'm on an arseload of supplements which I think really helps. Planning on taking at least a month off once I'm done. I am going to taper off just to make it easier on my system.

It's been three days at the higher dose now (just took my third 50mg shot)! Security in my building just said I'm starting to taper in the waist :) it's pharma grade prop so the change is quick I guess. My clothes are getting too tight in the chest and shoulders. Going to need some new T-shirts soon I think. Large is getting too snug and not because I'm fat. Nice change of pace 😅

Been using L-tryptophan to help me sleep. Having trouble getting a full 7-8 hours which is a common issue for me because I drink a shake and water before bed and wake up to pee. No hangover from the tryptophan though which is unusual. Really wanna get in the gym but my schedule hasn't allowed for it. Making do with the equipment I have at work and home. Fortunately I have a lot of weights n things in my yard because of COVID and really made some solid progress while gyms were closed.

Oh, there is another side effect. I don't take no **** on the street and I have no patience for the girlfriend's bullshit. Looking to replace her.

I now totally understand why guys blast and cruise...
 
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Imagine having a pocket size device able to access nearly all of the information and experiences of mankind... having a forum filled with people who already made the mistakes from whom you can learn... and still choosing to repeat dumb mistakes.
 

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Imagine following the crowd when you could do your own research :p
 
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I'll be the new Dorian Yates in two weeks mate.

I'm certainly very happy with the way things are going and it's gonna suck to go back to mere mortal levels for a bit. I'm on an arseload of supplements which I think really helps. Planning on taking at least a month off once I'm done. I am going to taper off just to make it easier on my system.

It's been three days at the higher dose now (just took my third 50mg shot)! Security in my building just said I'm starting to taper in the waist :) it's pharma grade prop so the change is quick I guess. My clothes are getting too tight in the chest and shoulders. Going to need some new T-shirts soon I think. Large is getting too snug and not because I'm fat. Nice change of pace

Been using L-tryptophan to help me sleep. Having trouble getting a full 7-8 hours which is a common issue for me because I drink a shake and water before bed and wake up to pee. No hangover from the tryptophan though which is unusual. Really wanna get in the gym but my schedule hasn't allowed for it. Making do with the equipment I have at work and home. Fortunately I have a lot of weights n things in my yard because of COVID and really made some solid progress while gyms were closed.

Oh, there is another side effect. I don't take no **** on the street and I have no patience for the girlfriend's bullshit. Looking to replace her.

I now totally understand why guys blast and cruise...
Bro you have got to have the best response to gear i have ever seen, gymshark are gonna be beating your door down. It's blowing my mind thinking what you could do if you did a real cycle, you'd be one of the sikkest kunts in existence. Get some pics up with your tatts blurred out i gotta see this progress it freakin crazy
 

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and then do the opposite of what that research says 😂
Haha true upping to 350mg wasn't part of the plan. The difference the extra 120 odd mg make is very apparent though. More fat loss overnight and my weight is up another lb. My virgin ARs sure seem to like the prop.

I've been on clomid for about two months now and my balls got bigger on it. They're about normal size and hardness now on 25mg ED. Still shooting off relatively normal loads, but a little clearer than usual. A lot of the SARMs guys are using Clomid to prevent shutdown on cycle and it works for them. Perhaps I'd have more issues with larger peaks or just higher doses. Daily prop is great for nice constant levels.

There isn't much of me visible with tattoos blurred out but I'll see what I can do!
 
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Haha true upping to 350mg wasn't part of the plan. The difference the extra 120 odd mg make is very apparent though. More fat loss overnight and my weight is up another lb. My virgin ARs sure seem to like the prop.

I've been on clomid for about two months now and my balls got bigger on it. They're about normal size and hardness now on 25mg ED. Still shooting off relatively normal loads, but a little clearer than usual. A lot of the SARMs guys are using Clomid to prevent shutdown on cycle and it works for them. Perhaps I'd have more issues with larger peaks or just higher doses. Daily prop is great for nice constant levels.

There isn't much of me visible with tattoos blurred out but I'll see what I can do!
ahh the ole extra 120mg test fat melting overnight protocol. A true classic. Surprised more people don’t do it 🙄
 

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So while I have everyone's attention, what would you all have suggested as a first cycle?
 

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I'll stick to 350mg on the next run until it stops working for me, and then up to 500mg. Still planning on short cycles, but if I am shut down hard after tapering off then I'll definitely consider longer cycles. I just want to see if this three week thing actually works.

I suspect the clomiphene will be very effective at preventing a hard shutdown just based on how my balls feel and my loads look. Considering upping clomiphene dose to 37.5mg ED. If I get vision sides/a headache I'll back down to 25mg again.

Just took a 25mg shot of NPP: couldn't resist trying it. I felt it immediately and it feels different from the prop for sure.

Based on the curve for NPP, 25mg should peak at the same level as 100mg of Deca, just with a much shorter half life and a much condensed elimination curve. Since nandrolone is 11x as cardiotoxic as testosterone and gives you more bang per mg at low dosage, I figured a single 25mg shot in the middle of this cycle would be a safe bet. I'm also very curious to see what it does.

The nandrolone should fully clear out of my system in around three weeks. I have 10 more days of 50mg shots before I start to taper off, but I'm going to add a week to the cycle to make sure I have enough testosterone in my system while I still have nandrolone in my bloodstream. Let's see if the nandrolone smoothens up my sticky rotor cuff.

Weight down a bit this morning which was disappointing, but I also seem to have lost more bodyfat. I'm definitely gaining the same way I was before messing with injectables, just quicker. My back and shoulders both look wider and my forearms are getting thicker. My arms are also larger. Noticing fat loss on the backs of my thighs and triceps along with the chest and belly.

I didn't have the best of lunches yesterday and I forgot my 5g of spirulina before bedtime with my other supps. Back on proper meals at home again so let's see what the next 4-5 days of NPP peak + test bring.
 
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I'll stick to 350mg on the next run until it stops working for me, and then up to 500mg. Still planning on short cycles, but if I am shut down hard after tapering off then I'll definitely consider longer cycles. I just want to see if this three week thing actually works.

I suspect the clomiphene will be very effective at preventing a hard shutdown just based on how my balls feel and my loads look. Considering upping clomiphene dose to 37.5mg ED. If I get vision sides/a headache I'll back down to 25mg again.

Just took a 25mg shot of NPP: couldn't resist trying it. I felt it immediately and it feels different from the prop for sure.

Based on the curve for NPP, 25mg should peak at the same level as 100mg of Deca, just with a much shorter half life and a much condensed elimination curve. Since nandrolone is 11x as cardiotoxic as testosterone and gives you more bang per mg at low dosage, I figured a single 25mg shot in the middle of this cycle would be a safe bet. I'm also very curious to see what it does.

The nandrolone should fully clear out of my system in around three weeks. I have 10 more days of 50mg shots before I start to taper off, but I'm going to add a week to the cycle to make sure I have enough testosterone in my system while I still have nandrolone in my bloodstream. Let's see if the nandrolone smoothens up my sticky rotor cuff.

Weight down a bit this morning which was disappointing, but I also seem to have lost more bodyfat. I'm definitely gaining the same way I was before messing with injectables, just quicker. My back and shoulders both look wider and my forearms are getting thicker. My arms are also larger. Noticing fat loss on the backs of my thighs and triceps along with the chest and belly.

I didn't have the best of lunches yesterday and I forgot my 5g of spirulina before bedtime with my other supps. Back on proper meals at home again so let's see what the next 4-5 days of NPP peak + test bring.
I refuse to believe you’re a real person 😂
 
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I'm finding it quite incredible that you feel the compound immediately, despite injecting it subq. The widening back and shoulders, thicker forearms and bigger arms, fatloss...all within 11 days. Are you actually taking measurements to ensure this isn't all just rose-tinted placebro glasses?
 
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Appreciate the input, but I'm going to try this and see what happens. I'm totally healthy NOW so if I'm going to try a cycle, now is really the time to do it. Older men with heart disease + anabolics = big no no
Agree with Whisky. If you’re not on TRT and are gonna shutdown, do 300 mgs/week minimum. And get off the clomid until late cycle or just PCT. If you want to keep your balls, hCG, 300 ius a couple times per week.

Also, don’t be a pin cushion. Twice weekly shots would be plenty. Every day won’t serve you better.
 

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Agree with Whisky. If you’re not on TRT and are gonna shutdown, do 300 mgs/week minimum. And get off the clomid until late cycle or just PCT. If you want to keep your balls, hCG, 300 ius a couple times per week.

Also, don’t be a pin cushion. Twice weekly shots would be plenty. Every day won’t serve you better.
Don’t waste your energy, OP is not a real person and is without reason because of it, this is a made up fantasy log.
 
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Don’t waste your energy, OP is not a real person and is without reason because of it, this is a made up fantasy log.
The alias does make me skeptical.
 

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I'm finding it quite incredible that you feel the compound immediately, despite injecting it subq. The widening back and shoulders, thicker forearms and bigger arms, fatloss...all within 11 days. Are you actually taking measurements to ensure this isn't all just rose-tinted placebro glasses?
This was a solid question and the rose-tinted placebro glasses crack was pretty funny.

Right before you asked it I was thinking I should have done the same thing. 'What if?' You made me doubt myself some, but the scale doesn't lie. I'm always checking on my progress and squeezing my fat throughout the day. My tummy and love handles have been an issue for a while and while I've made very solid progress over the last year, I haven't lost any significant fat for a few months until now. I'm up to 235 lbs today. Some of that is water weight from salt before bed last night, but I'm up six lbs since I started, which is crazy. I must be in caloric surplus. Perhaps I underestimated my fat percentage going in. I've lost so much fat in the midsection and chest. Still lots to go, but damn, this cycle really accelerated things along. I'm wondering if I was perhaps hypogonadal coming into this and the testosterone has gotten me to where I needed to (and then some).

I haven't measured myself since I was a scrawny 14-15 year old. I gained 25lbs in three months back then by eating hard and working out and the changes in measurements were staggering by the end. I wish I'd done it for this cycle but I'm lazy I guess. I do a pinch thing where I pinch my arm between my index and thumb and hold it up to my face. My arm is much larger than when I started.

SubQ leads to higher peak levels than IM. I don't know about the rate of absorption of SubQ vs IM, but ED pinning with prop seems to have worked very well. Clomid also raises free T so it's possible the combo works well.

EDIT: Here's a chart for estradiol cypionate, subQ vs IM. Very similar curves:


There do seem to be differences in rate of absorption between compounds and with different methods, though, so would love to see test prop specific curves.

Also the NPP seems to have sped up the fat loss rather significantly, and my shoulder is definitely smoother. Still clicks but without any discomfort. I can't believe I'm 235 lbs this morning!
 
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^yes, that's for estradiol injection. But take hCG for example. Subq vs IM, studies show subq has significantly delayed peak level concentrations compared to IM. I've been assuming, perhaps wrongly, that the same applies to testosterone injection. But hey, you feel what you feel, I won't argue with that. Hence the question regarding using objective tools to measure change (humans are notoriously susceptible to fuking up when it comes to subjective assessment...they don't see change when there is some; they see change where there is none)..
 

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This was a solid question and the rose-tinted placebro glasses crack was pretty funny.

Right before you asked it I was thinking I should have done the same thing. 'What if?' You made me doubt myself some, but the scale doesn't lie. I'm always checking on my progress and squeezing my fat throughout the day. My tummy and love handles have been an issue for a while and while I've made very solid progress over the last year, I haven't lost any significant fat for a few months until now. I'm up to 235 lbs today. Some of that is water weight from salt before bed last night, but I'm up six lbs since I started, which is crazy. I must be in caloric surplus. Perhaps I underestimated my fat percentage going in. I've lost so much fat in the midsection and chest. Still lots to go, but damn, this cycle really accelerated things along. I'm wondering if I was perhaps hypogonadal coming into this and the testosterone has gotten me to where I needed to (and then some).

I haven't measured myself since I was a scrawny 14-15 year old. I gained 25lbs in three months back then by eating hard and working out and the changes in measurements were staggering by the end. I wish I'd done it for this cycle but I'm lazy I guess. I do a pinch thing where I pinch my arm between my index and thumb and hold it up to my face. My arm is much larger than when I started.

SubQ leads to higher peak levels than IM. I don't know about the rate of absorption of SubQ vs IM, but ED pinning with prop seems to have worked very well. Clomid also raises free T so it's possible the combo works well.

EDIT: Here's a chart for estradiol cypionate, subQ vs IM. Very similar curves:


There do seem to be differences in rate of absorption between compounds and with different methods, though, so would love to see test prop specific curves.

Also the NPP seems to have sped up the fat loss rather significantly, and my shoulder is definitely smoother. Still clicks but without any discomfort. I can't believe I'm 235 lbs this morning!
So what you’re saying is that you have no other proof that this is working, on any level ,than you pinching your arm fat? 🤔
 
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Are you getting your balls busted in here AnaBrolicHK? Maybe a little. But, extreme claims require good evidence to support them. Otherwise, this is nothing more than a diary (of fiction?) with little anyone else can learn from. If you don't care, fine, but obviously you've been posting all this in a public forum, supposedly to get response.
 

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Are you getting your balls busted in here AnaBrolicHK? Maybe a little. But, extreme claims require good evidence to support them. Otherwise, this is nothing more than a diary (of fiction?) with little anyone else can learn from. If you don't care, fine, but obviously you've been posting all this in a public forum, supposedly to get response.
You're a good dude and I agree with everything you've said 🤜
 

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So what you’re saying is that you have no other proof that this is working, on any level ,than you pinching your arm fat? 🤔
It's a pinch from bicep peak to middle of tricep for arm width. I then compare that to my head. But yeah nobody gives a **** about that lol. I have to get the measuring tape out
 
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