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've been researching Excelsior pre workout hard last few days ive been hearing that newer batches aren't as strong ... Any truth do this? Anyone buy it lately??
 
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've been researching Excelsior pre workout hard last few days ive been hearing that newer batches aren't as strong ... Any truth do this? Anyone buy it lately??
No but that would be a good thing. A heart attack waiting to happen with the old batches. Personally flushed it down the toilet
 

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Bought some 2 months ago and it was very potent. 2 scoops felt as strong as adderall. First time I ever used excelsior.
 
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It has (or maybe had) something spiked in it. Some kind of amphetamine or amphetamine derivative or analogue. It's something that isn't listed on the label. If they took it out, I would be sad, but I haven't tried any of the new batches so I can't say.

 

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Does anyone know approximately around what time the formula may have changed? I have an unopened tub from 2 months ago.

The first scoop was like adderall. Subsequent scoops lost their effect over time and I'm taking a break.
 

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Not sure about excelsior but the fat burner they have thermal spark hits hard every single time I haven't experienced any tolerance to it. on bottle three currently trying to quit.
 
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Yup got addicted been doing too many google searches in hope of fining a new shop that might hav old batches, but seems to be sold out in every German and European shop Predator at 65GBP is very likely new and that price plus shipping would really suck for 30 meek servings..... Hmm wait for the next one.. I just got addicted to Driven Sports craze a few months before it got pulled and same here just started using Excelsior in June and already now party is over. but seriously it drains you and I feel tired and depressed going off it... But yeah tyrosine rhodiola and some stuff might help 5htp as well but I have had adrenal exhaustion for years..... It probably started with taking too much 1,3 dimethylamylamine old jack3d and the likes, tried it lately and pooh crash.... Gonna try some DMHA though havent much some people say they dont crash so much. Otherwise anybody know about anything close to Imperial labs excelsior?
The only thing that's going to come close is amphetamines. But I recommend trying out Dark Energy. It has DMAA, DMHA, and 400mg of caffeine as it's stimulants. It' not going to give you the buzz Excelsior gave you because that use something that was spiked. And AFAIK, there's nothing else on the market that's spiked right now.
 
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Not the answer yo lookin’ for but I would
look at what’s causing you to need such a hardcore pre...

(That’s not to say they can’t be fun every once in a while)
 

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1 scoop of dark energy was way more potent than. 1 scoop of excelsior IME. Both tubs were bought recently during labor day sale.
 

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Yup got addicted been doing too many google searches in hope of fining a new shop that might hav old batches, but seems to be sold out in every German and European shop Predator at 65GBP is very likely new and that price plus shipping would really suck for 30 meek servings..... Hmm wait for the next one.. I just got addicted to Driven Sports craze a few months before it got pulled and same here just started using Excelsior in June and already now party is over. but seriously it drains you and I feel tired and depressed going off it... But yeah tyrosine rhodiola and some stuff might help 5htp as well but I have had adrenal exhaustion for years..... It probably started with taking too much 1,3 dimethylamylamine old jack3d and the likes, tried it lately and pooh crash.... Gonna try some DMHA though havent much some people say they dont crash so much. Otherwise anybody know about anything close to Imperial labs excelsior?

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07/22/2020- First Dose (Four Caps/Empty Stomach)
Notes:
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07/23/2020-Second Dose (Five Caps/Empty Stomach)
Notes:
Took Five Caps; empty stomach and this time drank more water. No noticeable strange heartburn feeling and an immediate (10 minutes or so) rush of euphoria, focus and positive mood. Senses were heightened, I felt more sociable and positive. The focus alone was shocking and was able to sustain feeling for most of the workday (7 hours or so). Come down was mild, ZERO crash, just a positive feeling and sustained energy that tapered off.

07/24/2020- Third Dose (Five Caps/Empty Stomach)
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Stayed with the same does and felt extremely focused, energized but not as euphoric as the previous day. The positive feeling effect was slightly blunted, and I can foresee this building tolerance fast. Also, I felt somewhat sluggish after a few hours but that could be influenced by poor sleep. The positive “happy” feeling certainly was not as strong as the previous dosage.

07/25/2020- Fourth Dose (Six Caps/Empty Stomach)
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Decided to max this to the highest dosage. Positive mood effects and focus were still blunted, but now I was sweating like crazy. Had some jitters and despite drinking a gallon of water still had a strange burning sensation. However, the “focus” factor was still profound and much more impressive than other stimulants on the market. I read threads posted by Mike Arnold that this should not be used every day because of tolerance so will take a break. The focus, dialed in feeling even when the effects are slightly blunted is addicting and helps make every task work-wise a breeze. This is far superior to Atteral in my opinion in terms of feeling and focus. Again, no crash.

07/28/2020- Fifth Does (Five Caps/Empty Stomach)
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After a brief break I went back to five capsules. Focus and positive mood were back to their previous high levels. With a minor break, the level of attention I was able to put into work tasks and the sensory enhancement is unlike any other supplement I have ever taken. I have used (and perhaps abused) stims in the past and this is not a caffeine or yohimbine loaded supplement. I actually had smoother energy after a brief break and felt dialed from morning to night. I was able to fall asleep without any issues and it is absolutely incredible that such a supplement can give the positive effects of a stimulant/focus and yet not destroy sleep or cause major mood issues. ECA stack when cutting sometimes causes me to get miserable and short-tempered, not Methyl Blue.

07/30/2020- Sixth Does (Five Caps/Empty Stomach)
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Took one day off in between and again an incredible rush of energy, no strange heartburn feeling (which means ill keep it at five caps) and intense focus and positive energy that just slowly vanishes. Zero crash was able to be more productive, workout after, then went out for a few beers to escape the isolation of this time. Alcohol seemed to be really enhanced in terms of effects (overall talkativeness) and I am not sure I would drink when taking this supplement. However, once again slept perfectly and felt ready to go the following day (which was an off day).

Overall, this is one of the most innovative and impressive supplements I have ever taken. I can see it being recreational, but I found the focus and positive mood effects make working remotely or on complex tasks a breeze. Tolerance does build up quickly and breaks are needed to sustain the effects. It is hard not to go back into the bottle and use this every day as the effects are that impressive, and allow for a constant, dialed in focus with limited side effects or crashes one would expect from stimulant supplements currently on the market."

Link: Methyl BLUE – MA Labs





Methyl-BLUE Review...


"The coolest part is that this product only has 200mgs of caffeine at 6 caps. Which I am happy about because I want the nootropic effects of this product, the focus, the mood and the energy.

What I will say , 4 caps is def a starter dosage, though in women I see that 3 works just fine, so likely bodyweight has something to do with tolerance.

Anyways 4 is a nice smooth enjoyable boost of mood, energy and focus. Nothing overpowering.

Enter 5 caps and 6 caps a day LOL. Holy cow. This stuff hits you and hits you hard. Euphoria, heightened colors, vision and focus for me. Def gives you a euphoric buzz for a bit. I did not notice any anxiety, no jitters. I took early in the day, so no insomnia.

I did notice some chills and some mild spikes in BP on high dose when taken on empty stomach.

My final Comments: Holy Cow! MA labs did it again. I would liken this product to the scales of Vicaine, Vicaine PM or Craze by Driven Sports. This is a distinguished product. There is nothing like it on the market. I would caution that I do forsee this being a similar product in that not only will it sell fast, and sell out at some point. I also hope this product does not go down the same road as Craze and Vicaine in the future.

I'd be curious to see how this works in place of some "mood" meds, etc. I have a few guys who are tapering off as we speak and going to give this a shot.

Give this product a shot. You will not regret it LOL."


Link: Methyl BLUE – MA Labs



Methyl-BLUE Review...

"after reading most of the reviews i decided to jump right in at 6 caps....

like several others have mentioned after about 10 minutes i felt slight heartburn but this quickly went away...after 20 minutes i started feeling more alert, but for me full effect took about a hour, it was just a steady climb up until the hour mark...

i found this experience to be very pleasurable, and lasted approximately 5 hours although residue effect carried over....this gave me a smooth, clean almost mellow feel which like i said was very pleasurable...to be honest this product had very similar feel to it as 30mg ionamin and like ionamin killed my appetite.

i was very tempted to add a 300mg caffeine pill to bump the stim effect, glad i didn't as i think that would have messed up the clean, kind of mellow effect it had on me...

others may not agree with how this effected me, but i don't ever expect to find that everyone reacts the same as i do.


i have a addictive personality as a recovering alcoholic, and as pleasurable as this was for me i have to be very careful and limit my use to no more than 2 times a week."

Link: Methyl BLUE – MA Labs
 

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Since the end of March 2020, I've gone through probably 4 tubs of Excelsior, and the one I purchased most recently (lot INO86197, exp. 02/2023) definitely feels like it's missing something in comparison to all the previous tubs I've gone through. It basically feels like a standard "meh" preworkout at this point. Can anyone post links to any discussions related to this on other online forums?

Also, does anyone know of any other preworkouts that are rumored to be spiked like Excelsior is/was? Wasn't sure if another product had come along to carry on the torch (so to speak) from Excelsior...
 
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Since the end of March 2020, I've gone through probably 4 tubs of Excelsior, and the one I purchased most recently (lot INO86197, exp. 02/2023) definitely feels like it's missing something in comparison to all the previous tubs I've gone through. It basically feels like a standard "meh" preworkout at this point. Can anyone post links to any discussions related to this on other online forums?

Also, does anyone know of any other preworkouts that are rumored to be spiked like Excelsior is/was? Wasn't sure if another product had come along to carry on the torch (so to speak) from Excelsior...
....That’s a long time to go on any “exotic pre,” without much of a break! You might be burnt out bro 🤷‍♂️

Honestly I’d rather KNOW exactly what’s in anything I’m taking, rather than hope it’s spiked.

I liked, Outbreak Nutrition Pathogen,...It had J Regia aka dmha. They went and reformulated it

I’m enjoying Nootropimax (actually 2nd time with it, first was year+ ago)
 
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....That’s a long time to go on any “exotic pre,” without much of a break! You might be burnt out bro 🤷‍♂️

Honestly I’d rather KNOW exactly what’s in anything I’m taking, rather than hope it’s spiked.

I liked, Outbreak Nutrition Pathogen,...It had J Regia aka dmha. They went and reformulated it

I’m enjoying Nootropimax (actually 2nd time with it, first was year+ ago)
Just to clarify, I didn't take it every single day (more like every 2-3 days). I always got the same effects from it until this most recent tub. I agree that the thought of intentionally taking spiked products is kind of nutty, but for me it's more about wanting to get the specific effects that I've gotten used to getting from the product and simply being willing to assume any risks inherent to taking such a product.
 
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The thing is with these pre’s....Whose formulating them? I can’t imagine they are all “scholarly chemists” 🤣
 
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The thing is with these pre’s....Whose formulating them? I can’t imagine they are all “scholarly chemists” 🤣
The guy who owns Imperial Nutrition is like some construction worker dude or something. And he only has two products, both stim based lol
 
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Shame that Excelsior pulled the old "first batch trick" where they spike the first batch of a product to get it super hyped, then on subsequent batches remove the mystery ingredient. That's one of the oldest tricks in the supplement industries books.
 
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Shame that Excelsior pulled the old "first batch trick" where they spike the first batch of a product to get it super hyped, then on subsequent batches remove the mystery ingredient. That's one of the oldest tricks in the supplement industries books.
Excelsior has been around for a few years. This didn't just come out like a year ago. It would've been more than the first batch is what I am trying to say.
 

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My recent purchase of excelsior over labor day is definitely spiked with something. Stuff has great focus and legs for sure. I just preferred dark energy because it hit harder in the energy and mood elevation category. Excelsior reminds me of amphetamine minus the feel good euphoria kick.
 
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Just to clarify, I didn't take it every single day (more like every 2-3 days). I always got the same effects from it until this most recent tub. I agree that the thought of intentionally taking spiked products is kind of nutty, but for me it's more about wanting to get the specific effects that I've gotten used to getting from the product and simply being willing to assume any risks inherent to taking such a product.
You cannot know what the risks are if you do not know what the actual compound is.
 
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How did excelsior even gain such traction,...The label isn’t anything special and it’s a prop blend !?
 

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Yeah thats what I read in other threads that the exp 23 are weaker and even more anxiety. What dates were your previous batches? exp 21? any exp 22? The exp 22 that I have feels quite spiked although it is not as strong towards the end of the tub due to tolerance but still very long lasting and sleeping troubles 12 hours later on less than a scoop
No anxiety, just focused, I’m up ,wide awake feeling. Kind of like adderall with all the fun taken away lol. This is my first tub So I can’t compare previous batches. It seems this is Like craze where certain batches are stronger than others.
 
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No anxiety, just focused, I’m up ,wide awake feeling. Kind of like adderall with all the fun taken away lol. This is my first tub So I can’t compare previous batches. It seems this is Like craze where certain batches are stronger than others.
The inconsistency speaks volumes about who ever is actually mixing and packaging this stuff. I have to imagine it is NOT being made at a compliant contract manufacturer but I could be wrong.
 
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The inconsistency speaks volumes about who ever is actually mixing and packaging this stuff. I have to imagine it is NOT being made at a compliant contract manufacturer but I could be wrong.
Like I said, it's some dude that works construction lol He sells to "mom and pop" supplements stores. I think he's based in New Jersey or near there. Who the heck knows what's in it.
 
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Like I said, it's some dude that works construction lol He sells to "mom and pop" supplements stores. I think he's based in New Jersey or near there. Who the heck knows what's in it.
Probably operates out of a storage unit, at best
 

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Amazon had hellnox for 19 bucks right now...No label photo tho 🤷‍♂️
I believe that Hellnox is super light on the stims. DAA and tribulus and a “test boost” focus. Please don’t buy it expecting DMAA or something wild
 
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I believe that Hellnox is super light on the stims. DAA and tribulus and a “test boost” focus. Please don’t buy it expecting DMAA or something wild
Hah thanks, yeah not buying it! (Was just interesting to see it at 19 bucks)
 
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If you're trying to lose fat, Imperial makes another supplement called Thermal Spark. FDN reviewed it. I tried it, but it was way over stimulating. Felt like it had DMAA/DMHA in it and not whatever is in Excelsior, but I could be wrong.

 
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I like Thermal Spark. Actually just took 1 cap today. 1 cap is all you need of that. Energy lasts a long time, so it’s only a Saturday morning thing for me.
 
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As I expected, tried a full scoop of 23 batch and even one hour later my sleepiness remain... Might try to up it but I think days of strong spiked Excelsior are over. Those youtube videos talking about it and the fact that people after consuming 2 scoops of the first batch reported sleeplessness for 24 hours...
Where are you getting these numbers from the batch info?
Mine says

LOT: INO86197
EXP: 02/2023
 
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Cannot really evaluate yet. This new was actually stronger than I though, perhaps more

yup thats a 23 expiration was just shortening it. Well the 8/23 batch my new was actually stronger than I first thought although a bit of nausea at one scoop, felt it first time too. Perhaps a bit more of a traditional DMHA kigelia feel than previous batches. Little bit less jaw tension I am almost 2 hour into this one and with a regular DMHA like reign there is a crash like 4 hours in., with excelsior exp 10/22 it has been more long lasting, but meh my body and stomach starting to feel toxic

Maybe you're overthinking how it's making you feel. You might be looking for effects that are there, but since you've been taking Excelsior for so long you could be having the symptoms of adrenal fatigue, where your neurotransmitters (specifically norepinephrine and dopamine) have been pumping out so much, you're experiencing homeostasis or just a lack of the availability of those neurotransmitters because they've all been depleted.

You say it makes you feel nauseous, is that something that happened on previous batches?
 
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Hiya well that nausea didnt happen on previous batches, it actually passed an hour later or so, energy was actually pretty good on the new batch I was still very energetic 6 hours later doing dished and cooking in my kung fu kitchen lol... But it is different. Not same intense feeling and positive side is the old batch gave me heat in the head kinda like overheated brain, this one didnt do so much.... hmm weird. Old one was a bit stronger and a bit different, new one still long and strong, pretty sure there are some slight variations in formula and chemical compounds.... Well new batch isnt useless and that nausea was overcome although its a sign of toxicity but a lot of these pwos can do sometimes due to horrible flavouring and sweeterners as well. Yeah for sure I am having symptoms of adrénal fatigue and I am aware of that and that was the case the first day I took new batch I was just too tired when I took and today I had some more neurotransmitters that responded to it. But yeah eveb thre times a week with a heavy stim pwo slowly tires the adrenals I believe and mist coffee drinkers have it but using something this strong is way more dangerous
I sense the adrenal fatigue just reading your posts.
 
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Hiya well that nausea didnt happen on previous batches, it actually passed an hour later or so, energy was actually pretty good on the new batch I was still very energetic 6 hours later doing dished and cooking in my kung fu kitchen lol... But it is different. Not same intense feeling and positive side is the old batch gave me heat in the head kinda like overheated brain, this one didnt do so much.... hmm weird. Old one was a bit stronger and a bit different, new one still long and strong, pretty sure there are some slight variations in formula and chemical compounds.... Well new batch isnt useless and that nausea was overcome although its a sign of toxicity but a lot of these pwos can do sometimes due to horrible flavouring and sweeterners as well. Yeah for sure I am having symptoms of adrénal fatigue and I am aware of that and that was the case the first day I took new batch I was just too tired when I took and today I had some more neurotransmitters that responded to it. But yeah eveb thre times a week with a heavy stim pwo slowly tires the adrenals I believe and mist coffee drinkers have it but using something this strong is way more dangerous
Well, I am convinced Excelsior has some kind of amphetamine in it and there are literally THOUSANDS of amphetamine analogues that they could be sourcing from China and adding in the batch. I actually took some Excelsior earlier (the batch I mentioned above) and feel fantastic. Stimulated, euphoric, and just a great sense of well being. And there's no herbs, vitamins, minerals or anything natural that I know of that could have those effects. But if you just look at a list on Wikipedia of all the amphetamines that have ever been discovered and probably like 98% of them have never been investigated, researched or banned by the govt, so there is a risk factor when you take supplements like these that whatever they're using could be cardiotoxic or neurotoxic or whatever else.


But I really just love the feeling I get from it, I hope they keep whatever they have in there the same thing and it doesn't get pulled from the market.

I sense the adrenal fatigue just reading your posts.
Yeah, I would agree like this like I said before. Taking a week off from it and low or no caffeine or other stimulants could put you back to where you would get the same benefits from Excelsior that you were getting before, but you've overdone it with the stimulants and that homeostatis is kicking in and you're just not producing the same levels of dopamine and norepinephrine that you were before.
 
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I believe that Hellnox is super light on the stims. DAA and tribulus and a “test boost” focus. Please don’t buy it expecting DMAA or something wild
The original which is still floating around on some shops had 75 mg DMAA and alpha Yohimbine, seriously strong **** in my experience, feels like maybe 5mg AY per serving along with the DMAA and caffeine. The V2 is now eria jarensis.
 
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I took a scoop of Excelsor on Monday and I was awake for like 24 and absolutely wired from it. It's honestly too stimulating. I have no clue what specifically is in it, it could be meth for all I know. It sounds like some people are getting addicted to it and that's a bad thing. We have some supplement on the market that's spiked with some illegal drug and we have no clue what it is. I think the safest thing is to step away from it, because, as I mentioned, it could be something that's bad for your heart or other organs and it's obviously getting people hooked on it.


@muscleman I can tell you were on it because you wrote a just about a novel above. TL;DR :ROFLMAO: But I was exactly the same way after I took it. I was replying to peoples posts like I was laser focused on the topic and was over explaining everything.
 
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Well I am addicted to be honest. I also have ADHD but this is better than methylphenidate crap and even than amph that I have tried. Side effects are actually in a way less than too much caffeine. Was getting tired kidney and stuff from too much caffeine previously, since taking Excelsior I am taking almost no caffeine and most days even less than a scoop. jelly that your 2/23 batch seems to have been a good one. The 8/23 still works in a way but is lacking in focus and mood and have the side effect of nausea and stomach sick which makes it impossible to be addicted lol.
But yeah, it is great for writing. It has been good help for me to get through seriously boring University paper. I like writing and hopefully one day I find something worthwhile writing about
If you're getting addicted to it that's going to be problematic for a variety of reasons. First of all, we have no idea what's actually in it. Second, it's eventually going to get caught by the FDA and shut down and you're going to be out of luck. If you have ADHD and you have insurance, I would start tapering off the Excelsior and get an rx again for Adderall or Adderall XR or try Vyvanese if you can afford it. My friend has ADHD and he takes vyvanese and swears by it. You can get a discount coupon code off the mfg's website and it will bring the price down because there's no generic of it. But, if you're looking for a hardcore stim I'm afraid Ritalin or Adderall is the best you're going to be able to get legally. There's always the black market route, but we're talking about rec drugs at this point, and I'm pretty sure that's against the rules, so you can shoot me a PM and I'll tell you how we can chat privately through encrypted channels.
 

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Why are you trying to quit? Side effects building up in the long run? I tried thermal spark but not sure if I got a weak bottle because one pill was barely as strong as half a scoop of the Excelsior I had.
Yes it snuck up on me with this one over time my resting hr went from 80 bpm to 95 also my bp right before I quit was 125/96. That's the one that had me stop. I'm 40 and I started feeling selfish making it about me feeling good and not thinking of my kids. I should bring up the reason I started checking my bp was my lower back started hurting so badly for no reason. I read somewhere about that being connected so I started checking it and seen the problem. I have been off of it for awhile now and my lower back is fine so maybe that was it now my bp is 120/68.
 
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If you're trying to lose fat, Imperial makes another supplement called Thermal Spark. FDN reviewed it. I tried it, but it was way over stimulating. Felt like it had DMAA/DMHA in it and not whatever is in Excelsior, but I could be wrong.

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