Excelsior pre workout

CATdiesel76 said:
I would say that’s a good thing. Doomsday is great sustained energy that never makes me feel like ****, have crazy heart rate increases, anxiet, etc. feels clean. It’s similar to craze just weaker and without the dopamine high that the craze amphetamine delivered. Would you say this is similar in that regard? I’ve seen several people say they didn’t have a significant heart rate increase. Is that accurate? I’m too old/just have no desire to try anything that makes my heart feel like it’s racing. Makes it so impractical and unhealthy.

I was late to the game with excelsior but it always felt just dirty to a degree. I have a tub that was popular. 11/23 or something like that as exp. I’d consider selling it if anyone is interested
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Maybe. How much? And where are you located
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I would say that’s a good thing. Doomsday is great sustained energy that never makes me feel like ****, have crazy heart rate increases, anxiet, etc. feels clean. It’s similar to craze just weaker and without the dopamine high that the craze amphetamine delivered. Would you say this is similar in that regard? I’ve seen several people say they didn’t have a significant heart rate increase. Is that accurate? I’m too old/just have no desire to try anything that makes my heart feel like it’s racing. Makes it so impractical and unhealthy.

I was late to the game with excelsior but it always felt just dirty to a degree. I have a tub that was popular. 11/23 or something like that as exp. I’d consider selling it if anyone is interested
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oooooo I'll take it if you're selling
 
Drakee said:
Ill take someones Doomsday Hardcore of they dont want it anymore. :)
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I don't have one to sell, but just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts as to what the "special' stimulant ingredient in the product is? Do you think it's the same thing as whatever they're putting in Excelsior?
 
copped a few tubs of Kill Switch. still sitting on 8/23 Excelsior and Thermal Spark. Shook the tub yesterday and it hasn't bricked yet.
 
cfisher52986 said:
Ohh cool u tried kill switch?
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Not yet my friend. I wait a while.. i dont wanna get disappointed again. Like i did with craze 2 and phentaplex.

If many start to hype it, i may give it a go.

Thing is, i dont like shaky high stim in pwo. Thats what seperate OG craze and Excelsior from anything else. You dont feel like you are 50/50 of getting a heart attack. Its the focus and endurance i like. Doomsday is like i said, a little sister to the two. You dont feel much unless you get into a hard long workout. Then the magic appear. But still far away from craze og Excelsior.

The other hardcore PWO like crack or flame, was strong as hell. But you feel like you took a overdose of caffeine and other high stim.

Even todays Excelsior got this crazy shaky unpleasant stim feeling. But you get the focus and endurance at the same time. So Excelsior are still the best thing out there. Even if its not as clean as the golden days.
 
Moozefighter said:
Not yet my friend. I wait a while.. i dont wanna get disappointed again. Like i did with craze 2 and phentaplex.

If many start to hype it, i may give it a go.

Thing is, i dont like shaky high stim in pwo. Thats what seperate OG craze and Excelsior from anything else. You dont feel like you are 50/50 of getting a heart attack. Its the focus and endurance i like. Doomsday is like i said, a little sister to the two. You dont feel much unless you get into a hard long workout. Then the magic appear. But still far away from craze og Excelsior.

The other hardcore PWO like crack or flame, was strong as hell. But you feel like you took a overdose of caffeine and other high stim.

Even todays Excelsior got this crazy shaky unpleasant stim feeling. But you get the focus and endurance at the same time. So Excelsior are still the best thing out there. Even if its not as clean as the golden days.
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How would you say doomsday compares to a solid dhma pre workout like wicked or convict?
 
Kill switch definitely reminds me of 8/23 era excelsior . 3/4 of a scoop had me pretty tweaked today going on 6 hours , I got euphoria and energy but also a little paranoia /anxiety just like older excelsior. That might just be me , I’m prone to it with stims though. Dry mouth too
 
cfisher52986 said:
Kill switch definitely reminds me of 8/23 era excelsior . 3/4 of a scoop had me pretty tweaked today going on 6 hours , I got euphoria and energy but also a little paranoia /anxiety just like older excelsior. That might just be me , I’m prone to it with stims though. Dry mouth too
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oh my. thanks for your comments!
 
SpicedCider said:
I don't have one to sell, but just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts as to what the "special' stimulant ingredient in the product is? Do you think it's the same thing as whatever they're putting in Excelsior?
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This feels like a clean all day feel good energy without any elevated heart rate. My girlfriend takes it and becomes productive as hell! She loves it. It also makes her horny which makes me think there's definitely something extra. Its way better for the gym than excelsior. I also tried thermal spark recently and hated it, made me feel uncomfortable that I had to lay down.
 
Drakee said:
This feels like a clean all day feel good energy without any elevated heart rate. My girlfriend takes it and becomes productive as hell! She loves it. It also makes her horny which makes me think there's definitely something extra. Its way better for the gym than excelsior. I also tried thermal spark recently and hated it, made me feel uncomfortable that I had to lay down.
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i'll take your thermal spark too
 
WickedWarlock said:
How would you say doomsday compares to a solid dhma pre workout like wicked or convict?
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Pre workout with dhma gives you a solid boost and urge to train hard. I get why people like that feeling. But high stim like that, comes with a price.

You get restless and stressed out. And it even take away some of your fine motor skills.

I take pre workout to train hard and long session of martial arts and fighting. Focus and endurance is my main priority. And thats where craze and Excelsior shines.

Doomsday lack the drive and mood elevation that craze and Excelsior has. But the focus and endurance is very very good. But i wont come by itself. You need to start a long or hard workout. And the full effect start when your body goes into the 2nd gear.

If you are lazy in your training, or out of shape, you wont feel the effect from doomsday.

Craze, Excelsior, and other high stim PWO you feel right away. Its almost like you can skip the warm up. Because you get a chemical warm up instead.

Not sure how good that is in the long run. Haha
 
SpicedCider said:
It looks like there are several PWOs out there with that name, but I think people are talking about the one by a company called Death Row? (not 100% sure though)
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Yea , death row formulations with the bloody hand print . It’s at muscle factory right now in stock. If you go on Reddit you’ll see a thousand posts about it
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I would say that’s a good thing. Doomsday is great sustained energy that never makes me feel like ****, have crazy heart rate increases, anxiet, etc. feels clean. It’s similar to craze just weaker and without the dopamine high that the craze amphetamine delivered. Would you say this is similar in that regard? I’ve seen several people say they didn’t have a significant heart rate increase. Is that accurate? I’m too old/just have no desire to try anything that makes my heart feel like it’s racing. Makes it so impractical and unhealthy.

I was late to the game with excelsior but it always felt just dirty to a degree. I have a tub that was popular. 11/23 or something like that as exp. I’d consider selling it if anyone is interested
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Kill switch is pretty good defiantly something other than the standard dmaa.. I agree it's right underneath newer excelsior... about the same tier as legit pre
 
Justjoe7989 said:
No I believe it's some kinda Chinese dmaa or dmha analog
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I’m reading the reviews on Reddit but don’t trust that board, everything new gets hyped up but every couple of months something new comes along that’s the new greatest thing.

But, all that said, it’s being spoken about as probably the best pwo since craze, would love to know what people in here think. How’s it stack up to craze, excelsior etc.
 
Maximiliaan said:
I’m reading the reviews on Reddit but don’t trust that board, everything new gets hyped up but every couple of months something new comes along that’s the new greatest thing.

But, all that said, it’s being spoken about as probably the best pwo since craze, would love to know what people in here think. How’s it stack up to craze, excelsior etc.
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Yeah i understand your point. I aint holding my breath either. I chill and wait. It could be great. But it can also be poison like phentaplex, or just without any power, like craze 2
 
Maximiliaan said:
I’m reading the reviews on Reddit but don’t trust that board, everything new gets hyped up but every couple of months something new comes along that’s the new greatest thing.

But, all that said, it’s being spoken about as probably the best pwo since craze, would love to know what people in here think. How’s it stack up to craze, excelsior etc.
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I said it on here before but to me it feels a lot like 8/23 era Excelsior. I’ve never had Craze but from what I’ve heard , it’s not quite on that level . I take a lot of Excelsior though and this is very close as far as the euphoria , focus and appetite suppression
 
cfisher52986 said:
I said it on here before but to me it feels a lot like 8/23 era Excelsior. I’ve never had Craze but from what I’ve heard , it’s not quite on that level . I take a lot of Excelsior though and this is very close as far as the euphoria , focus and appetite suppression
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convinved me. I grabbed 2
 
uforce said:
it felt like poison. seriously. ingesting it made your body immediately feel like it wasn't supposed to be in there. it was weird.
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ngl that actually feels like my experience taking excelsior. That fruit punch wiff along with the spicy feeling when I dry scoops brings all sorts of PTSD
 
zufir said:
ngl that actually feels like my experience taking excelsior. That fruit punch wiff along with the spicy feeling when I dry scoops brings all sorts of PTSD
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everyone is different for sure. i love the light fruit punch taste. idk. phenta for me was a hard no. i may still have a tub because of the hype. i'm sure it's probably bricked though.
 
cfisher52986 said:
I said it on here before but to me it feels a lot like 8/23 era Excelsior. I’ve never had Craze but from what I’ve heard , it’s not quite on that level . I take a lot of Excelsior though and this is very close as far as the euphoria , focus and appetite suppression
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Not really an excelsior fan, I prefer doomsday myself but by your comment does that mean it’s your favourite preworkout now cos excelsior 08/23 was a long time ago?
 
This guy doesn’t seem a fan, I think that’s the first outright bad review I’ve seen on that board. Actually reading that board I can see some others. Maybe a small spiked run and now anything being bought is gonna be a regular pre?


honestly even though I know some stuff about how that board works it’s easy to fall for the hype, we are suckers for anything new haha
 
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Maximiliaan said:
This guy doesn’t seem a fan, I think that’s the first outright bad review I’ve seen on that board. Actually reading that board I can see some others. Maybe a small spiked run and now anything being bought is gonna be a regular pre?


honestly even though I know some stuff about how that board works it’s easy to fall for the hype, we are suckers for anything new haha
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It was too soon for a second batch to even be made , it’s only been out for a week. These people probably just want to stand out and be different, or their expectations were too high and they were let down . At the end of the day , it’s a preworkout , not meth .
Looks like 95% of reviews are saying the same type of thing, those bad reviews are an anamoly.
Personally I have nothing to gain standing up for Kill Switch, this is just my opinion after being on those boards for a few years now. Some people don’t respond to certain Pres, and some people are just haters . A lot of people say Excelsior doesn’t do anything either
 
Maximiliaan said:
Not really an excelsior fan, I prefer doomsday myself but by your comment does that mean it’s your favourite preworkout now cos excelsior 08/23 was a long time ago?
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It’s too soon to tell if it’s my favorite ! I like it a lot and am going to try it again today for my workout but I’ve only tried it a couple times . I still really love Excelsior , even the newer batches , and that is still my favorite for sure. But Kill Switch is definitely going to be on the rotation and will make my excelsior last a little longer !
 
As long as its half as good as excelsior then it’s worth it because it’s half as expensive.

I would use it as a daily if I like it
 
zufir said:
As long as its half as good as excelsior then it’s worth it because it’s half as expensive.

I would use it as a daily if I like it
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interested in effects as a daily. with excelsior, i could get 2 good days and then effects diminished drastically. i had to limit to twice a week and keep those two days spread out.
 
uforce said:
interested in effects as a daily. with excelsior, i could get 2 good days and then effects diminished drastically. i had to limit to twice a week and keep those two days spread out.
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The forbidden mix is phenibut the night before for a good sleep followed by excelsior the next day for a good workout

Feels like phenibut brings back the missing euphoria found in the old excelsior batches
 
zufir said:
The forbidden mix is phenibut the night before for a good sleep followed by excelsior the next day for a good workout

Feels like phenibut brings back the missing euphoria found in the old excelsior batches
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hmmm first time hearing this
 
It's not about the sleep (although I guess it can help a little, especially if you have sleep issues). Phenibut has a well known dopaminergic effect and Pehibut's duration of effect is quite long. Plus the gabaergic effect to combat any possible jitters from stimulants.

I use Phenibut every now and then for sleep and have experienced the elevated mood the next day/morning several times and it's clear it's more than just about a good night sleep. Have friends report the same. Also, bentzos make me sleep better and there's no such effect. I try to save the use of benzos to only for 'emergency' situations (for obvious reasons), but I do have enough experience to tell the difference.
 
KvanH said:
It's not about the sleep (although I guess it can help a little, especially if you have sleep issues). Phenibut has a well known dopaminergic effect and Pehibut's duration of effect is quite long. Plus the gabaergic effect to combat any possible jitters from stimulants.

I use Phenibut every now and then for sleep and have experienced the elevated mood the next day/morning several times and it's clear it's more than just about a good night sleep. Have friends report the same. Also, bentzos make me sleep better and there's no such effect. I try to save the use of benzos to only for 'emergency' situations (for obvious reasons), but I do have enough experience to tell the difference.
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What I like with phenibut is that the sleep actually feels like you slept and got rest while it feels like my body did a “time skip” and I wake feeling tired and groggy if I took a benzo
 
zufir said:
What I like with phenibut is that the sleep actually feels like you slept and got rest while it feels like my body did a “time skip” and I wake feeling tired and groggy if I took a benzo
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Yeah, it would be interesting to see/know how the sleep cycles are actually affected by different sleep aids. The benzos I have prescribed to me are like the weakest/mildest on the market (to my knowledge) and are actually too short acting for me. They knock me out really well, but sometimes I still might wake up a few hours later and not be able fall back asleep in some time. Phenibut doesn't really help me fall asleep at all and I might wake up a few times during the night, but usually I can fall back asleep on it very quickly.

Thc/weed is a good example of a difference between how people feel sleeping on it vs how restful their sleep actually might be. Most people seem to feel like they sleep better with weed, but studies indicate that it actually disrupts the sleep cycles and leads to a less restfull sleep.

But anyway, Phenibut is pretty dopaminergic and I'd bet that if you took it in the morning and then took Excelsior or other stim product later that day you'd experience more euphoria and such, than with just the stim product alone.

I'm not making any recommendations btw, lol. And your warning of Phenibut use is well warranted. I've seen some horror stories on forums of (ignorant) people using Pheninbut daily for longer periods of time and reporting the withdrawal being horrific. Like comparable to trying to kick a benzo or opioid addiction and having insane insomnia.

A little derailment of the thread, sorry guys ✌️
 
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KvanH said:
Yeah, it would be interesting to see/know how the sleep cycles are actually affected by different sleep aids. The benzos I have prescribed to me are like the weakest/mildest on the market (to my knowledge) and are actually too short acting for me. They knock me out really well, but sometimes I still might wake up a few hours later and not be able fall back asleep in some time. Phenibut doesn't really help me fall asleep at all and I might wake up a few times during the night, but usually I can fall back asleep on it very quickly.

Thc/weed is a good example of a difference between how people feel sleeping on it vs how restful their sleep actually is. Most people seem to feel like they sleep better with weed, but studies indicate that it actually disrupts the sleep cycles and leeds to a less restfull sleep.

But anyway, Phenibut is pretty dopaminergic and I'd bet that if you took it in the morning and then took Excelsior or other stim product later that day you'd experience more euphoria and such, than with just the stim product alone.

I'm not making any recommendations btw, lol. And your warning of Phenibut use is well warranted. I've seen some horror stories on forums of (ignorant) people using Pheninbut daily for longer periods of time and reporting the withdrawal being horrific. Like comparable to trying to kick a benzo or opioid addiction and having insane insomnia.

A little derailment of the thread, sorry guys ✌️
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Oh definitely a strong warning. My buddy suggested I take pure phenibut along with excelsior for maximum efficiency and enhanced effects but that’s a slippery slope I wouldn’t dare try.

You’re right that phenibut doesn’t help you sleep, it only helps while you’re already asleep but boy do you feel refreshed in the morning haha
 
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