End Of Cycle Supplement Question
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neoborn
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Time on + post cycle therapy = time off
This means to run a cycle, then run post cycle therapy, then recover during your time off i.e. treat liver, BP and any other issues and get them into normal ranges. The idea is not to suppress yourself during PCT. Then and only then should you even want to consider running another cycle.
I would suggest:
Most Importantly!
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html
SERM + P.C.T Guide
Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:
Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.
1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc
Example Torem Dosing: - Invalid Link Removed
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm
You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem
Example Nolva Dosing:
Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk2: 20mg everyday
Wk3: 10mg everyday
Wk4: 10mg everyday
I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better
2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.
3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.
4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol
5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).
NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide
1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Dermacrine Sustain(Recommended)
2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.
3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), Dermacrine Sustain, 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.
4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol
5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).
All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.
With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.
Things To Note
1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!
2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT
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3. Know what gyno is and the symptoms of gyno: Invalid Link Removed
4. Real Gynomastia Before & After's:
Much Love,
Neoborn
This means to run a cycle, then run post cycle therapy, then recover during your time off i.e. treat liver, BP and any other issues and get them into normal ranges. The idea is not to suppress yourself during PCT. Then and only then should you even want to consider running another cycle.
I would suggest:
Most Importantly!
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html
SERM + P.C.T Guide
Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:
Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.
1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc
Example Torem Dosing: - Invalid Link Removed
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm
You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem
Example Nolva Dosing:
Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk2: 20mg everyday
Wk3: 10mg everyday
Wk4: 10mg everyday
I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better
2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.
3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.
4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol
5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).
NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide
1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Dermacrine Sustain(Recommended)
2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.
3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), Dermacrine Sustain, 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.
4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol
5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).
All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.
With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.
Things To Note
1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!
2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT
Invalid Link Removed
3. Know what gyno is and the symptoms of gyno: Invalid Link Removed
4. Real Gynomastia Before & After's:
Much Love,
Neoborn
Mass08
New member
Okay...i know what post cycle therapy is lol this isnt my first cycle thats not what i was asking.
I was asking is if i ran the bold/testabol which arent hardcore at all...would i feel the effects of having no test in my body beacuse im no longer injecting or would the testabol keep me feeling non-lethargic?
I was asking is if i ran the bold/testabol which arent hardcore at all...would i feel the effects of having no test in my body beacuse im no longer injecting or would the testabol keep me feeling non-lethargic?
I'm sure someone will be along any moment now 