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Anyone ever tried going with no supps
Whatsoever? Including staples like creatine. Been supp free for over thirty days and feel great!
Still holding on to all of my gains and strength....
 
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Not against supps in any way, just trying something different and giving my kidneys and liver a break.
 
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I only take creatine/fish oil on a regular basis. Protein supplementation is a rarity.

Steak and chicken :)
 
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i remember running out of purple wraath few weeks ago and felt like i lost my best friend....i lifted for awhile supp free and actually felt pretty good knowing i was all natty at the time....
 

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I went 18 years of weight training and competition (sports, not bb) with no supplements and there really is no needfor them. In my mid/late 30's now I have been trying some in the last year or so for a little "extra". They do give a nice edge mentally with libido, and Anabeta definitely is amazing in body composition, so that builds confidence and the desire to see more. As long as people understand that supplements are a tiny portion of the picture and they won't see anything from them without the basics in tune, then they are fun.

I will say that lifting supplement free for my whole life, I do see a definite benefits from a couple of the products that are out there. There is no denying that they do work.
 
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This is something that would probably benefit people's bodys as well as wallets. I like to take supplement breaks every once in a while and usually end up feeling great. But most people "rely" on supplements. How did anyone lift before pre-workouts, etc. One of my training partners basically uses supplements as motivation. "Well I'm taking XXX supplement so I can go balls to the walls because of XXX supplement." Lotta placebo type effects in supps.
 
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I've moved from taking performance supplements to health supplements. Like green tea, coconut oil, fish oil, minerals, etc. I take other things as well but those are staples. Everything else is just a treat
 
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Ditto

I got so caught up with getting trhe next greatest thing I lost my focus there for awhile on the fundamentals

There are professional bodybuilders and regular joes that look bettrer than many of us on less crap then we take.

Granted the pro's are on juice but so are half the bro's on this forum (PH's count as juice).

FWIW: I also think that eating styles/regimens get over-played.

Work out with intensity+consistency, get your cardio in and eat right = 95% of the equation.

I've moved from taking performance supplements to health supplements. Like green tea, coconut oil, fish oil, minerals, etc. I take other things as well but those are staples. Everything else is just a treat
 
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I've moved from taking performance supplements to health supplements. Like green tea, coconut oil, fish oil, minerals, etc. I take other things as well but those are staples. Everything else is just a treat
yeah this is what i'm leaning on doing...moving towards more health supplements than performance

but i've taken months off of supplements before, it does feel good....maybe even look into a detox for yourself while your away from bodybuilding supplements
 
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yeah this is what i'm leaning on doing...moving towards more health supplements than performance

but i've taken months off of supplements before, it does feel good....maybe even look into a detox for yourself while your away from bodybuilding supplements
Any recommendations for a detox program?
 
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Anyone ever tried going with no supps
Whatsoever? Including staples like creatine. Been supp free for over thirty days and feel great!
Still holding on to all of my gains and strength....


Yes. It was one of the more liberating things I've done in a while. And it forced me to train/eat/sleep better, harder, and smarter. Back to the basics... In the the end, fundamentals always win.








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Gotta wonder how arnold and the guys in the 70's did it without creatine, casein powder before bed and hydrolyzed whey. Can't imagine....
 

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Anyone ever tried going with no supps
Whatsoever? Including staples like creatine. Been supp free for over thirty days and feel great!
Still holding on to all of my gains and strength....
Drop the food too! Give your system a real break, and your kidneys and liver will love ya! ;)
 
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Probably the way I'll be going here in a few days....

I still will continue to use a protein powder I think though....
Does that still count :lol: :run:
 

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For me, an I think for many, it has become a form of addiction. The anticipation of a new supplement being released, the excitement after an order is placed and the mild feeling of euphoria went the package arrives.....is what I feel!

However due to adrenal fatigue, or a variant of it, I've taken a break from supplements and guess what...as the OP said...I feel and look no different!
 
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fish oil and multi vit are the only supps i use all the time. I could easily go with out anything else and be fine, push come to shove.
 
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Definately!

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I start the day with a big bowl of colon blow. Nothing better then a cereal that leaves you feeling like you ate indian food.
 
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You can go without supps and still get plenty of EPA/DHA ... a can of sardines a day is tantamount to popping like 3 1 gram pills. :)
 

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Any recommendations for a detox program?
Lots of water, use Chlorophyll first thing in the morning, and Psyllium Husk (Metamucil) a little later on.

I like taking a month clean 100% off all supps even vitamins & protein during a HCG cycle.
 
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Besides being broke, yes ive gone without supps for a period of time. It's nice to not be tied down to a regiment and have a break. I do notice the difference though.
 
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Any recommendations for a detox program?
solid detox supplements like liver xt, green tea. Eats organic fruits veggies and nuts for a period of time. Utlize the sauna and start making better changes in your life like organic shampoos soaps etc., move away from modern detergents and things that cause toxicity. Utlize super greens like spirullina, chlorella, etc.
 
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solid detox supplements like liver xt, green tea. Eats organic fruits veggies and nuts for a period of time. Utlize the sauna and start making better changes in your life like organic shampoos soaps etc., move away from modern detergents and things that cause toxicity. Utlize super greens like spirullina, chlorella, etc.
I recently started drinking distilled water and I receive reconstitute it with trace minerals. Feel alot better.
 
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A lot of "organic" stuff use "natural" pesticides and fertilizers that are more toxic than the the standard fertilizers and pesticides. Organic is mostly gimmick IMO. I do go for dairy and meats that are limited on hormones and fed particular foods when affordable however.
 
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A lot of "organic" stuff use "natural" pesticides and fertilizers that are more toxic than the the standard fertilizers and pesticides. Organic is mostly gimmick IMO. I do go for dairy and meats that are limited on hormones and fed particular foods when affordable however.
Not if you buy local
 
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I used to take L-arginine and stopped... See no difference.

I used to take Creatine and stopped... See no difference.

I personally just juice and eat 6-7 times a day. I eat alot of eggs and fish. I take Fish Oil, Glutamine and digestive enzymes daily.
 
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Not if you buy local
And what does buying local do to change anything regarding the "organic" label? A local farmer may still use herbicides and pesticides that are "natural" yet just as toxic.

Some copy and pasting here:
WHAT MAKES PRODUCE "ORGANIC"?

Contrary to what most people believe, "organic" does not automatically mean "pesticide-free" or "chemical-free". In fact, under the laws of most states, organic farmers are allowed to use a wide variety of chemical sprays and powders on their crops.So what does organic mean? It means that these pesticides, if used, must be derived from natural sources, not synthetically manufactured. Also, these pesticides must be applied using equipment that has not been used to apply any synthetic materials for the past three years, and the land being planted cannot have been treated with synthetic materials for that period either.
Most organic farmers (and even some conventional farmers, too) employ mechanical and cultural tools to help control pests. These include insect traps, careful crop selection (there are a growing number of disease-resistant varieties), and biological controls (such as predator insects and beneficial microorganisms).

ORGANIC PRODUCE AND PERSONAL HEALTH

When you test synthetic chemicals for their ability to cause cancer, you find that about half of them are carcinogenic.Until recently, nobody bothered to look at natural chemicals (such as organic pesticides), because it was assumed that they posed little risk. But when the studies were done, the results were somewhat shocking: you find that about half of the natural chemicals studied are carcinogenic as well.
This is a case where everyone (consumers, farmers, researchers) made the same, dangerous mistake. We assumed that "natural" chemicals were automatically better and safer than synthetic materials, and we were wrong. It's important that we be more prudent in our acceptance of "natural" as being innocuous and harmless.

ORGANIC PESTICIDES VERSUS SYNTHETIC PESTICIDES

Clearly, the less we impact our environment, the better off we all are. Organic farming practices have greatly advanced the use of non-chemical means to control pests, as mentioned earlier.Unfortunately, these non-chemical methods do not always provide enough protection, and it's necessary to use chemical pesticides. How do organic pesticides compare with conventional pesticides?
A recent study compared the effectiveness of a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture versus a synthetic pesticide, imidan. Rotenone and pyrethrin are two common organic pesticides; imidan is considered a "soft" synthetic pesticide (i.e., designed to have a brief lifetime after application, and other traits that minimize unwanted effects). It was found that up to 7 applications of the rotenone- pyrethrin mixture were required to obtain the level of protection provided by 2 applications of imidan.
It seems unlikely that 7 applications of rotenone and pyrethrin are really better for the environment than 2 applications of imidan, especially when rotenone is extremely toxic to fish and other aquatic life.
It should be noted, however, that we don't know for certain which system is more harmful. This is because we do not look at organic pesticides the same way that we look at conventional pesticides. We don't know how long these organic pesticides persist in the environment, or the full extent of their effects.
When you look at lists of pesticides allowed in organic agriculture, you find warnings such as, "Use with caution. The toxicological effects of [organic pesticide X] are largely unknown," or "Its persistence in the soil is unknown." Again, researchers haven't bothered to study the effects of organic pesticides because it is assumed that "natural" chemicals are automatically safe.
WHY HAVEN'T WE HEARD THIS BEFORE?

For obvious reasons, organic farmers have done little, if anything, to dispel the myth that "organic = chemical/pesticide-free". They would only stand to lose business by making such a disclosure.Pesticide manufacturers have little concern in the matter. To them, "synthetic pesticides sold" and "organic pesticides sold" are both "pesticides sold".
As for conventional farmers, they are not really in a position to be critical. It would not be in their interest to draw attention to chemical and pesticide use.

WHAT DOES ALL OF THIS MEAN?

The purpose in writing this article is not to discourage you from buying organic produce.It is only meant to let you know what you are or aren't getting when you make such a purchase. Unless you know your grower personally, there is no guarantee that your produce has been grown without pesticides or other chemicals. It's a point to consider, given the substantially higher cost of organic foods.
There are many choices and decisions that we, as consumers, are asked to make. Hopefully, this has provided some new information that you will find helpful.
 

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I will be stopping all supps next Friday. I'm actually looking forward to it.
 
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And what does buying local do to change anything regarding the "organic" label? A local farmer may still use herbicides and pesticides that are "natural" yet just as toxic.

Some copy and pasting here:
WHAT MAKES PRODUCE "ORGANIC"?

Contrary to what most people believe, "organic" does not automatically mean "pesticide-free" or "chemical-free". In fact, under the laws of most states, organic farmers are allowed to use a wide variety of chemical sprays and powders on their crops.So what does organic mean? It means that these pesticides, if used, must be derived from natural sources, not synthetically manufactured. Also, these pesticides must be applied using equipment that has not been used to apply any synthetic materials for the past three years, and the land being planted cannot have been treated with synthetic materials for that period either.
Most organic farmers (and even some conventional farmers, too) employ mechanical and cultural tools to help control pests. These include insect traps, careful crop selection (there are a growing number of disease-resistant varieties), and biological controls (such as predator insects and beneficial microorganisms).

ORGANIC PRODUCE AND PERSONAL HEALTH

When you test synthetic chemicals for their ability to cause cancer, you find that about half of them are carcinogenic.Until recently, nobody bothered to look at natural chemicals (such as organic pesticides), because it was assumed that they posed little risk. But when the studies were done, the results were somewhat shocking: you find that about half of the natural chemicals studied are carcinogenic as well.
This is a case where everyone (consumers, farmers, researchers) made the same, dangerous mistake. We assumed that "natural" chemicals were automatically better and safer than synthetic materials, and we were wrong. It's important that we be more prudent in our acceptance of "natural" as being innocuous and harmless.

ORGANIC PESTICIDES VERSUS SYNTHETIC PESTICIDES

Clearly, the less we impact our environment, the better off we all are. Organic farming practices have greatly advanced the use of non-chemical means to control pests, as mentioned earlier.Unfortunately, these non-chemical methods do not always provide enough protection, and it's necessary to use chemical pesticides. How do organic pesticides compare with conventional pesticides?
A recent study compared the effectiveness of a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture versus a synthetic pesticide, imidan. Rotenone and pyrethrin are two common organic pesticides; imidan is considered a "soft" synthetic pesticide (i.e., designed to have a brief lifetime after application, and other traits that minimize unwanted effects). It was found that up to 7 applications of the rotenone- pyrethrin mixture were required to obtain the level of protection provided by 2 applications of imidan.
It seems unlikely that 7 applications of rotenone and pyrethrin are really better for the environment than 2 applications of imidan, especially when rotenone is extremely toxic to fish and other aquatic life.
It should be noted, however, that we don't know for certain which system is more harmful. This is because we do not look at organic pesticides the same way that we look at conventional pesticides. We don't know how long these organic pesticides persist in the environment, or the full extent of their effects.
When you look at lists of pesticides allowed in organic agriculture, you find warnings such as, "Use with caution. The toxicological effects of [organic pesticide X] are largely unknown," or "Its persistence in the soil is unknown." Again, researchers haven't bothered to study the effects of organic pesticides because it is assumed that "natural" chemicals are automatically safe.
WHY HAVEN'T WE HEARD THIS BEFORE?

For obvious reasons, organic farmers have done little, if anything, to dispel the myth that "organic = chemical/pesticide-free". They would only stand to lose business by making such a disclosure.Pesticide manufacturers have little concern in the matter. To them, "synthetic pesticides sold" and "organic pesticides sold" are both "pesticides sold".
As for conventional farmers, they are not really in a position to be critical. It would not be in their interest to draw attention to chemical and pesticide use.

WHAT DOES ALL OF THIS MEAN?

The purpose in writing this article is not to discourage you from buying organic produce.It is only meant to let you know what you are or aren't getting when you make such a purchase. Unless you know your grower personally, there is no guarantee that your produce has been grown without pesticides or other chemicals. It's a point to consider, given the substantially higher cost of organic foods.
There are many choices and decisions that we, as consumers, are asked to make. Hopefully, this has provided some new information that you will find helpful.
point being is that you can go and see their practices.

Taken straight from your article:

Unless you know your grower personally, there is no guarantee that your produce has been grown without pesticides or other chemicals. It's a point to consider, given the substantially higher cost of organic foods.
 

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What were you taking? Ive been thinking about doing this for quite sometime but such a mental thing with me as well especially in terms of pwo. How long do you plan on staying off?
 
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Nothing works better than TEST!
And a bunch of protein.
 
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I will be stopping all supps next Friday. I'm actually looking forward to it.
It's honestly not that bad. I was off everything for about a year and made great progress in my powerlifting. Now, all I really take are some stims from BPS and protein if I don't feel like cooking or sitting down to eat.

I'll occasionally get the itch...so I'll take Vitamin C or something. :p

The guys at BPS have been wanting me to do a log on Dermacrine, so I may give in...but then it's back to nothing.

I tend to spend my money on cigars and computers instead.
 
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Have done so several times over the years.
Mainly so I could try single new ingredients to see how well they worked alone.
But my fish oil I have to have, My job is as tedious as watching paint dry and the DHA helps me to be able to focus without daydreaming.
 

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