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So he is actually trying to fix it. What's your problem then?
your stance before was increasing port times would present a danger of sickness from covid---this was before i told you biden ordered ports open 24/7...now you are in favor of it?

talk about moving goalposts:geek:
 
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Reality is criminals Dump, Republicrats, Demicans all rape me the fruits of my labor and the future value of my bank accounts.

Regardless if I took the check or not I’m paying 100% for it plus an enormous interest cost. What kind of idiot would I be not to cash it and put it in my savings account? It’s money that was all stolen from me in the first place. It’s my money.
you are a clever guy, figure it out.
 
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your stance before was increasing port times would present a danger of sickness from covid---this was before i told you biden ordered ports open 24/7...now you are in favor of it?

talk about moving goalposts:geek:
Not once, anywhere, have i mentioned increasing port times would lead to an increase in cases.

So don't quite know what you mean
 
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There's a backlog of ships all over the world. Ports are on reduced capacity because of covid restrictions and a decreased number of workers involved in the operations.

That still isn't a Biden issue - that's a work force demand issue.

“It’s not just a local problem,” said Dee Dee Myers, the director of the governor’s office of business and economic development, last month. “It’s not a Long Beach, LA problem. It’s not just a California problem. It’s an international problem.”
i guess biden doesn't care about covid restrictions since he ordered ports open 24/7-eh?
 
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i guess biden doesn't care about covid restrictions since he ordered ports open 24/7-eh?
How does a port being open 24/7 increase risk more than being open for any length of time?

I'm more surprised that the ports are not working 24/7
 
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How does a port being open 24/7 increase risk more than being open for any length of time?

I'm more surprised that the ports are not working 24/7
I would figure having it 24/7 would decrease covid risk. This was the same debate I had (not here) with limiting the grocery store hours during the middle of the shutdowns, time limitations only increases condensity.

The same thing with the ports, if there is a backlog of containers and ships at the ports you would want to increase the time allowance rather first rather than having an increase of workforce if avoiding the ccp-virus was your thing.
 
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How does a port being open 24/7 increase risk more than being open for any length of time?

I'm more surprised that the ports are not working 24/7
are they working 24/7 in new zealand?
 
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I would figure having it 24/7 would decrease covid risk. This was the same debate I had (not here) with limiting the grocery store hours during the middle of the shutdowns, time limitations only increases condensity.

The same thing with the ports, if there is a backlog of containers and ships at the ports you would want to increase the time allowance rather first rather than having an increase of workforce if avoiding the ccp-virus was your thing.
it is a shortage of trucks that is causing the backlog.

'US ports are shifting to 24/7, but where are the truckers'?
 
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it is a shortage of trucks that is causing the backlog.

'US ports are shifting to 24/7, but where are the truckers'?
I can guess a portion of them made a ton of money simply sitting at home with enchanced unemployment benefits....also sitting at home for a year and a half while collecting certainly has a behavioral change effect on society.

Also, consider the fact that truckers getting paid to stay home didnt even have to pay rent because in many places it was illegal to evict people (in some places still is) that didnt pay rent, so alot of extra cash in people's banks accounts they were able to build that they werent able to in the past.

Once money dries up trust me, people will beg to go back to work. I in no way buy into the argument that people are not going back to work because they are sick and tired of wages and shytting jobs. Nope, no way, impossible.
 
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I can guess a portion of them made a ton of money simply sitting at home with enchanced unemployment benefits....also sitting at home for a year and a half while collecting certainly has a behavioral change effect on society.

Also, consider the fact that truckers getting paid to stay home didnt even have to pay rent because in many places it was illegal to evict people (in some places still is) that didnt pay rent, so alot of extra cash in people's banks accounts they were able to build that they werent able to in the past.

Once money dries up trust me, people will beg to go back to work. I in no way buy into the argument that people are not going back to work because they are sick and tired of wages and shytting jobs. Nope, no way, impossible.
without truck drivers YOU are fucked since you are dependent on food and goods being delivered to you and to stores near you:(...me not so much.:)

lots of advantages living in a rural setting with acres of hunting land and lakes and ponds to fish--not to mention farms.
 
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without truck drivers YOU are fucked since you are dependent on food and goods being delivered to you and to stores near you:(...me not so much.:)

lots of advantages living in a rural setting with acres of hunting land and lakes and ponds to fish--not to mention farms.
I live rural too but I dont have the skills you have. Ive never hunted or fished before as I dont like personally killing animals (I support hunters big time though) but Ill have to learn quick if shyt hits the fan, at least Im very well stocked with 22lr for years of small game.

If I have access to plain eggs and oatmeal Im set for life to tell you the truth. I can eat that for breakfast, lunch and dinner for an eternity.
 
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I live rural too but I dont have the skills you have. Ive never hunted or fished before as I dont like personally killing animals (I support hunters big time though) but Ill have to learn quick if shyt hits the fan, at least Im very well stocked with 22lr for years of small game.

If I have access to plain eggs and oatmeal Im set for life to tell you the truth. I can eat that for breakfast, lunch and dinner for an eternity.
if you don't have already get a bicycle or small motorcycle that doesn't use much gas.
 
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if you don't have already get a bicycle or small motorcycle that doesn't use much gas.
I have a couple bicycles but I do need to peddle more of a distance than I would like, but its not too unreasonable. My knees are hit and miss depending on the day.

I dont have a motorcycle license, something I should work on some day. ebikes are probably something I should consider and getting a gas generator so I can always charge it. They make some damn good ebikes these days, pricey but at least I can probably bypass the motorcycle license. I rode those around in Beijing (when I used to go there LOL!) and had a blast.
 
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the joe biden theme song---'where is my mind' by the pixies.
 
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obama-era officials return to white house worth millions....

biden's wealthiest cabinet officials--zients, lander, rice and kerry top the list--and these multi-millionaire capitalists are pushing for socialism, sure they've already got theirs.
 
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biden is considering using national guard to deliver goods from ports because there is such a shortage of truck drivers.
We both know the Biden administration has zero interest in fixing any of the problems facing Americans. How do we know? Well, every executive order and other twisted actions since the inauguration have been blatant moves to destroy our country on so many levels.

The energy crisis that the democrats predictably created never would have happened. The availability of goods/food would also be a true top priority of a Trump administration. Trump is a perfectionist, and even in light of it being a worldwide challenge, Trump would do everything in his power to not make that a reality for this country. He always made things happen, and that’s exactly what we need now more than ever!

For the record, Orange man dropped to 34%.
That’s only because the media brainwashed people relentlessly for four years and still do with anti-Trump propaganda. These are the same people we saw dancing in the streets and honking their horns when Biden was declared the winner of the 2020 election.
 
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Uggh…watching this video the other day was something else..

Seriously…WTF was he doing with his hands!

DDddaaaammmmnnnnnn........thats actually the first time I seen that video, the Great Groperholio!!!!!!! hehehehuhehhee
 
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just saw a prediction that gold could reach $5,000oz by 2025--yeehaw!!!
 
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We both know the Biden administration has zero interest in fixing any of the problems facing Americans. How do we know? Well, every executive order and other twisted actions since the inauguration have been blatant moves to destroy our country on so many levels.

The energy crisis that the democrats predictably created never would have happened. The availability of goods/food would also be a true top priority of a Trump administration. Trump is a perfectionist, and even in light of it being a worldwide challenge, Trump would do everything in his power to not make that a reality for this country. He always made things happen, and that’s exactly what we need now more than ever!


That’s only because the media brainwashed people relentlessly for four years and still do with anti-Trump propaganda. These are the same people we saw dancing in the streets and honking their horns when Biden was declared the winner of the 2020 election.
02/24/2021Topic: National SecurityType: Executive OrderReversal: NoLaunches a 100-day review of US supply chains for pharmaceuticals, critical minerals, semiconductors and large-capacity batteries, directing agencies to identify opportunities to secure and invest in those supply chains. It also calls for a year-long review into six sectors: Defense, public health and biological preparedness, information and communications technology, energy, transportation, and agricultural commodities and food preparation
 
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just saw a prediction that gold could reach $5,000oz by 2025--yeehaw!!!
Im by no means an expert on this, but some people think silver will surpass gold as it has more uses than gold and there is an increase in industrial demand.
 
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02/24/2021Topic: National SecurityType: Executive OrderReversal: NoLaunches a 100-day review of US supply chains for pharmaceuticals, critical minerals, semiconductors and large-capacity batteries, directing agencies to identify opportunities to secure and invest in those supply chains. It also calls for a year-long review into six sectors: Defense, public health and biological preparedness, information and communications technology, energy, transportation, and agricultural commodities and food preparation
So that was back in Febuary and the review was 100 days, and it doesnt really seem like he accomplished anything other than signing a piece of paper with vague jotter that doesnt explain how he is really going to review, do or solve anything.
 
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Im by no means an expert on this, but some people think silver will surpass gold as it has more uses than gold and there is an increase in industrial demand.
when i invested in gold the price of silver was so good that i invested in it also, but the majority of my investment was/is in gold.

i was surprised to learn that gold is used in space exploration....
 
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What in the Chinese slave labour kinda restaurant is this?!

And people wonder why there is a worker shortage in places lol
 

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What in the Chinese slave labour kinda restaurant is this?!

And people wonder why there is a worker shortage in places lol
That’s common waiter wage…with tips you can really kill it if your good.

There actually pushback within the waiter industry to stop government from mandating minimum wage laws as it would crush their earning potential.

Also usually going to a place where good work and attitude is incentivized have repeat customers like me coming back.

Most of the best paying jobs I ever had didn’t have hourly wages at all.
 
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That’s common waiter wage…with tips you can really kill it if your good.

There actually pushback within the waiter industry to stop government from mandating minimum wage laws as it would crush their earning potential.

Also usually going to a place where good work and attitude is incentivized have repeat customers like me coming back.

Most of the best paying jobs I ever had didn’t have hourly wages at all.
That's a complete load of crap, lol.

You're selling your soul to the devil if you allow yourself to be paid $2 an hour lol.

I'd pay my dog more to not poo on the carpet per hour than a waitress earns
 
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That's a complete load of crap, lol.

You're selling your soul to the devil if you allow yourself to be paid $2 an hour lol.

I'd pay my dog more to not poo on the carpet per hour than a waitress earns
Your not getting paid $2 an hour, it doesnt work that way.

So your saying you would rather make $15 minimum wage rather than $2 an hour plus averaging another 20-30/hr in tips?

If Government pulls off minimum wage laws in the service industry, its only because they want to steal more tax money from little people...that $15/hr isnt even that much anymore.

Have you ever even worked in a tip based environment before?
 
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That's a complete load of crap, lol.

You're selling your soul to the devil if you allow yourself to be paid $2 an hour lol.

I'd pay my dog more to not poo on the carpet per hour than a waitress earns
You know, I don’t even get $2 an hour. I get $0 an hour. My income is purely 100% on my own performance when it comes to generating income, and the harder I work the more government punishes me for my productive behaviors. I pay more taxes via gun force to my temple than most waiters do.

Should government force Amazon and eBay to pay me base $2/hr base salary or maybe $15/hr minimum which is where I work? Why should someone like me even care about people making a whole $2/hr more than I make as a hourly wage? I make freaking $0 and for many years.
 

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What in the Chinese slave labour kinda restaurant is this?!

And people wonder why there is a worker shortage in places lol
In most states, servers make $2.13 an hour plus tips. I’ve never agreed with that at all, although if you’re good at what you do and work at an upscale restaurant, you can make bank.
 
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In most states, servers make $2.13 an hour plus tips. I’ve never agreed with that at all, although if you’re good at what you do and work at an upscale restaurant, you can make bank.
Yeah, no doubt some people can. It's just crazy to me that they need to rely on tips to make a living.

I think in some contexts commission based work makes sense - I.e. door to door sales. But in places where someone is waiting tables, cleaning and doing all other kinds of work for a business only to be paid by the patrons and not the business owner it just feels wrong to me.

It would make sense if selling menu items were their only job, but it isn't. I think they should be paid fairly for the other aspects of their job.
 
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You know, I don’t even get $2 an hour. I get $0 an hour. My income is purely 100% on my own performance when it comes to generating income, and the harder I work the more government punishes me for my productive behaviors. I pay more taxes via gun force to my temple than most waiters do.

Should government force Amazon and eBay to pay me base $2/hr base salary or maybe $15/hr minimum which is where I work? Why should someone like me even care about people making a whole $2/hr more than I make as a hourly wage? I make freaking $0 and for many years.
In some contexts commission based work can and does make sense. Like Real Estate or Sales roles.

But in other cases it simply doesn't.

This about paying people a million dollars to sit on their ass, it's just about properly rewarding people for the work they put in.
 
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Yeah, no doubt some people can. It's just crazy to me that they need to rely on tips to make a living.

I think in some contexts commission based work makes sense - I.e. door to door sales. But in places where someone is waiting tables, cleaning and doing all other kinds of work for a business only to be paid by the patrons and not the business owner it just feels wrong to me.

It would make sense if selling menu items were their only job, but it isn't. I think they should be paid fairly for the other aspects of their job.
My really pretty ex worked a tip based job at a diner, she would be really upset with you endorsing her getting a paycut.

But your saying relying on tips
 
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In some contexts commission based work can and does make sense. Like Real Estate or Sales roles.

But in other cases it simply doesn't.

This about paying people a million dollars to sit on their ass, it's just about properly rewarding people for the work they put in.
Nobody is forcing people to take these jobs in the first place, and if its that bad why are so many in the industry pushing back against change and insisting on continuing tip based wages? Why would you want to ruin these people's careers with crappy hourly based pay?

Actually, not just me ex, but my own wife used to work at a Thai restaurant before I married her. And believe me, she made more than hourly wage people working at restaurants.

If people dont want to work tip based jobs they can always apply at Walmart or McDonalds and flip burgers or something. There are plenty of jobs available.
 
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In some contexts commission based work can and does make sense. Like Real Estate or Sales roles.

But in other cases it simply doesn't.

This about paying people a million dollars to sit on their ass, it's just about properly rewarding people for the work they put in.
For example:

Maine tried to raise its minimum wage. Restaurant workers didn’t want it.

Their fears were twofold, said Sue Vallenza, a 55-year-old bartender at the Pilot House in Kennebunk, Maine, who immediately began lobbying state legislators to overrule the referendum. Many servers feared the higher costs to owners would lead them to raise prices or cut shifts. And at a packed, 10-hour April meeting of the Maine Legislature’s Labor, Commerce, Research and Economic Development Committee, dozens of servers also said some confused customers were already tipping less.
Vallenza said she saw her hourly tips drop by more than $2 per hour, from the $20 to $30 per hour she made before.

“I don’t need to be ‘saved,’ and I’ll be damned if small groups of uninformed people are voting on my livelihood,” Vallenza said. “You can’t cut someone off at the knees like that.”


 
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my wife and i actually watched the xfinity race where brandon brown was being interviewed and the announcer was trying to say the crowd was chanting lets go brandon--my wife and i both laughed and said that aint what they are saying--it was hilarious.

kind of reminded me of the cnn announcer saying it was a 'mostly peaceful' protest while buildings burned in background---truth in media-eh?
 
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For example:

Maine tried to raise its minimum wage. Restaurant workers didn’t want it.

Their fears were twofold, said Sue Vallenza, a 55-year-old bartender at the Pilot House in Kennebunk, Maine, who immediately began lobbying state legislators to overrule the referendum. Many servers feared the higher costs to owners would lead them to raise prices or cut shifts. And at a packed, 10-hour April meeting of the Maine Legislature’s Labor, Commerce, Research and Economic Development Committee, dozens of servers also said some confused customers were already tipping less.
Vallenza said she saw her hourly tips drop by more than $2 per hour, from the $20 to $30 per hour she made before.

“I don’t need to be ‘saved,’ and I’ll be damned if small groups of uninformed people are voting on my livelihood,” Vallenza said. “You can’t cut someone off at the knees like that.”


Did you read the full article or only that one segment? Because the majority of the article goes against what you're saying here, lol.

I.e. "As a result, said Sylvia Allegretto, a labor economist at the University of California, Berkeley, who has studied minimum wage issues, tipped workers tend to have a poverty rate almost twice that of non-tipped workers"

What you did is known as selection bias. Finding 1 opinion to support something is not evidence. It's an opinion. Data is king.
 
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Did you read the full article or only that one segment? Because the majority of the article goes against what you're saying here, lol.

I.e. "As a result, said Sylvia Allegretto, a labor economist at the University of California, Berkeley, who has studied minimum wage issues, tipped workers tend to have a poverty rate almost twice that of non-tipped workers"

What you did is known as selection bias. Finding 1 opinion to support something is not evidence. It's an opinion. Data is king.
I was just intentionally picking and choosing the part that made me look like the big winner here for the debate, LOL!

But pretty much anyone from Berkeley has just as much of a biased eye as I have from the opposite end of the spectrum.

But really, the truth is there are both winners and losers in the tipped based industry, but it wouldnt be fair to screw over the many jobs where people excel and have a chance at have a really nice sustainable long term income with low education requirements. Getting a paycut because others who are in less than desirable situation isnt fair and is immoral.

Winners and losers are situational, people can always go to school, take vocational classes and look for another job. Nobody forces anyone to sign up for tipped based jobs. Government intervention will only make things worse.
 
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I was just intentionally picking and choosing the part that made me look like the big winner here for the debate, LOL!

But pretty much anyone from Berkeley has just as much of a biased eye as I have from the opposite end of the spectrum.

But really, the truth is there are both winners and losers in the tipped based industry, but it wouldnt be fair to screw over the many jobs where people excel and have a chance at have a really nice sustainable long term income with low education requirements. Getting a paycut because others who are in less than desirable situation isnt fair and is immoral.

Winners and losers are situational, people can always go to school, take vocational classes and look for another job. Nobody forces anyone to sign up for tipped based jobs. Government intervention will only make things worse.
I would argue it is immoral to pay someone $80 for 40 hours of work - especially when the article claims 2/3rds of that workforce are in poverty. Then, we people say "stuff it" and not take up jobs, people cry when resturants are closed due to staff shortage.

You can't have it both ways.

Plus it isn't a pay cut, because tips are not pay.
 
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I would argue it is immoral to pay someone $80 for 40 hours of work - especially when the article claims 2/3rds of that workforce are in poverty. Then, we people say "stuff it" and not take up jobs, people cry when resturants are closed due to staff shortage.

You can't have it both ways.

Plus it isn't a pay cut, because tips are not pay.
Nobody is getting paid $80 for 40 hours worth of work here. I live in America, Ive had jobs in the restaurant business, Ive had family, friends who have had these types of jobs. I know people that have had these jobs with a $2 base salary for decades and they are doing fine. Some people did it for a while to get by and move on to the next thing, but it helped them alot.

We cant have it both ways because one way doesnt even exist.

If there is anybody I know that made $2 an hour its the illegal immigrants that wash dishes in the back of the kitchen. At least friends of mine were making that much back in the 90s, not sure how the going illegal alien rate is these days.
 
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Then, we people say "stuff it" and not take up jobs, people cry when resturants are closed due to staff shortage.
The only reason people are saying "stuff it" and not taking up the jobs is because government has been handing out stolen money for people to stay home and people can afford to do so while also making it illegal to evict these people so for over a year and a half they didnt even have to pay rent. Once their money dries up they will beg to get these jobs back. Thats the truth.

Resturaunts have primarily closed because of the authoritarian government fist making them for a long time illegal to operate and also scaring the crap out of society sucking the joy out of life.
 
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I would argue it is immoral to pay someone $80 for 40 hours of work - especially when the article claims 2/3rds of that workforce are in poverty. Then, we people say "stuff it" and not take up jobs, people cry when resturants are closed due to staff shortage.

You can't have it both ways.

Plus it isn't a pay cut, because tips are not pay.
There are plenty of jobs and opportunities here in America for people to earn more, or gain skills to be better and earn more. We have more opportunities than most places on earth but the problem is people are generally lazy and waste time. I used to be like that myself until I went woke.
 
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I would argue it is immoral to pay someone $80 for 40 hours of work - especially when the article claims 2/3rds of that workforce are in poverty. Then, we people say "stuff it" and not take up jobs, people cry when resturants are closed due to staff shortage.

You can't have it both ways.

Plus it isn't a pay cut, because tips are not pay.
In New York State they have been offering free job training including covering access to over 4,000 courses on Coursera and other on the job training opportunities.

The question I ask is, how many of these $2 an hour worker, or someone who refuses to go back to work because they have been handed a silver spoon for the past year and a half have taken any steps to better prepare themselves for more opportunities that pay better living wages?

And Ive said this before, there are police shortages all across the country, here is the website to sign up to be NYPD, the pay isnt that terrible and you get all kinds of benefits.....unless these resturaunt people want to defund the police then they can work for free??
 

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