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Its not a hard concept to grasp, and I absolutely agree that a lot of 'poverty' can absolutely stem from a combination of a range of poor life choices and laziness.

For people like that, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy. So I 100% get where you're coming from.

On the other hand, I know people who have done all the right things but just been unfortunate with their luck. For example, I know a few flight attendants and a pilot who have been made redundant, I know of people who owned small businesses that are struggling right now, i know of people who have studied for years, only to be caught in an incredibly tough job market. An ex employee of mine has a Masters degree in Civil Engineering and cannot find a job in his field and has taken up laboring for minimum wage to make ends meet.

When you consider that rent in Auckland is around 400-600 per week, that's a HUGE chunk of someone's paycheck who is barely making above minimum wage. People are still flatting in their 30's to try keep those costs down, but it's still 250 a week plus in an often overcrowded house.

For some, doing all the right things doesn't net them a lot of money and they end up straddling the poverty line. Then people criticize them for not owning a $5000 generator in case their power cuts out is just not feasible.
Amazingly enough your example of people struggling is the direct result of government intervention. Would your airline friends be out of work if governments didn’t over extend their power and over react to a stupid virus that most people never knew they had?
 
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lots of abuse of the welfare system but without it there would be so much REAL poverty here that the US would look like a 3rd world country and the crime rate would be trippled if not more, imo.
I think you are wrong. Our current welfare system perpetuates poverty because it doesn’t give people a reason to achieve greater. It has created a society of lazy gimmedats waiting on their check and doing nothing to earn it. Just pop out kids and watch jerry springer while I go to work to support them. There should never ever be cash handed out as a means of help. I would agree with food pantries that distribute wholesome and healthy food. Not some fucking 350lb woman running to Walmart filling up the grocery cart with Dr Pepper.
 
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I think you are wrong. Our current welfare system perpetuates poverty because it doesn’t give people a reason to achieve greater. It has created a society of lazy gimmedats waiting on their check and doing nothing to earn it. Just pop out kids and watch jerry springer while I go to work to support them. There should never ever be cash handed out as a means of help. I would agree with food pantries that distribute wholesome and healthy food. Not some fucking 350lb woman running to Walmart filling up the grocery cart with Dr Pepper.
i wasn't sure so i looked it up and was surprised to find that the working poor are by far the largest users of government assistance.
 
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i wasn't sure so i looked it up and was surprised to find that the working poor are by far the largest users of government assistance.
I guess if I was a tyrannical government hell bent on spending others peoples money in order to keep the populace on the government tit and keep them compliant I would throw some imaginary numbers up on the internet to make it seem like us contributors are giving away our money for a good cause. But I see the abuse on a daily basis and it makes me sick to my stomach. Propping up people so they can stock up on soft drinks and candy bars is NOT how I want to spend MY money.

I can get behind a hand up every now and then if they can prove they need it and the system is designed to avoid abuse. For instance EBT should only be as to purchase wholesome and healthy food only. Nothing else. I can get behind that. When I walk up to a gas station and there is a sign that says EBT accepted I get nauseous.

Don’t get me started on the SSS abuse either ant the Ponzi scheme we call the social security system. It’s a fucking joke. If I started drawing it now I would never ever get back what I put in and I think that right there is criminal. I could have invested the money they took for Social Security and made 25x more than what I could ever dream of drawing from their piece of **** system.
 
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I think you are wrong. Our current welfare system perpetuates poverty because it doesn’t give people a reason to achieve greater. It has created a society of lazy gimmedats waiting on their check and doing nothing to earn it. Just pop out kids and watch jerry springer while I go to work to support them. There should never ever be cash handed out as a means of help. I would agree with food pantries that distribute wholesome and healthy food. Not some fucking 350lb woman running to Walmart filling up the grocery cart with Dr Pepper.
We definitely need some serious welfare reform, but we certainly won’t under this administration and most likely never will. I don’t know how it ever became so easy for people to play the system and stay on it indefinitely. It should be something very difficult to obtain and only sustainable for people that endure extreme circumstances or chronic disabilities that legit prohibit them from being even somewhat self sufficient.

It really gets me going when people are deemed incapable of holding a job, yet they proceed to get pregnant and have kids- which is the ultimate responsibility. And then we get to support the entire happy family. Ridiculous!

My GF has a close friend who has been fully supported by the government for close to 20 years on grounds of being too depressed to hold a job. Her situation actually did undergo somewhat of an investigation ~10 years ago so she decided to check herself into a mental hospital in efforts to prove that she still couldn’t hold a job. It worked, and she then proceeded to have a child.

The ultimate kicker is that this person is more than capable of holding a job and is less depressed than myself. I don’t want to go to work either (particularly now) - but I stil get my ass out of bed in the morning and always have.
 
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We definitely need some serious welfare reform, but we certainly won’t under this administration and most likely never will. I don’t know how it ever became so easy for people to play the system and stay on it indefinitely. It should be something very difficult to obtain and only sustainable for people that endure extreme circumstances or chronic disabilities that legit prohibit them from being even somewhat self sufficient.

It really gets me going when people are deemed incapable of holding a job, yet they proceed to get pregnant and have kids- which is the ultimate responsibility. And then we get to support the entire happy family. Ridiculous!

My GF has a close friend who has been fully supported by the government for close to 20 years on grounds of being too depressed to hold a job. Her situation actually did undergo somewhat of an investigation ~10 years ago so she decided to check herself into a mental hospital in efforts to prove that she still couldn’t hold a job. It worked, and she then proceeded to have a child.

The ultimate kicker is that this person is more than capable of holding a job and is less depressed than myself. I don’t want to go to work either (particularly now) - but I stil get my ass out of bed in the morning and always have.
There isn’t an American alive that doesn’t have multiple stories of welfare abuse. It’s rampant and disgusting. I will admit my heart is hardened when it comes to this due to the amount of abuse I have actually seen. I would estimate 90% abuse and I am being generous.
 
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Amazingly enough your example of people struggling is the direct result of government intervention. Would your airline friends be out of work if governments didn’t over extend their power and over react to a stupid virus that most people never knew they had?
I mean, 500,000 people in the US alone were definitely aware they had it. You know, until the point they drowned by fluid build up in their lungs.

Not to mention that you literally couldn't even travel to other countries without Govt intervention. The fact your passport means anything is because of the govt
 
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I mean, 500,000 people in the US alone were definitely aware they had it. You know, until the point they drowned by fluid build up in their lungs.
Sure they did. And if we remained completely opened guess what? It would still have the same results. And that is assuming those 500k all died of the Chinese virus and we aren’t being lied to like we are about damned near everything else.
 
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Sure they did. And if we remained completely opened guess what? It would still have the same results. And that is assuming those 500k all died of the Chinese virus and we aren’t being lied to like we are about damned near everything else.
I mean, we've had very low cases and casualties because we stayed closed.

And like I edited in, you can travel overseas because of the weighting a US passport holds. Without govt backing, your passport would be worthless.
 
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I mean, we've had very low cases and casualties because we stayed closed.

And like I edited in, you can travel overseas because of the weighting a US passport holds. Without govt backing, your passport would be worthless.
You had low cases because you are on an island hardly anyone goes to lol. But sure the govt lockdown saved you all from the invisible Black Death with a 99.9% survival rate. You should be proud of your horse teeth leader.

Without our govt in the way we would be 100x more successful and looked up to. Our govt is a bad joke at best.
 
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According to Pedo Joe, America is back. To prove this he will reach his bony f*cking fingers into our pockets and empty them out and then ship our hard earned money overseas, because you know, America! F*ck that stupid clown and all the other rat bastard butt licking retarded mongoloid criminals that work in DC. F*ck them all to hell.
 

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Where's that aid for Texas , Biden?

Which didn't take a twitter storm of whining about how nice the states were to him or how failed the state leadership is or other childish GOP crap.
 
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Which didn't take a twitter storm of whining about how nice the states were to him or how failed the state leadership is or other childish GOP crap.
Probably because the crusty dumbass doesn’t know what a Twitter is or how to turn on a phone. He is still wandering around the White House looking for the Telegraph machine...and of course some children to sniff.
 
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That is what you came up with? You need new material man.
Oh I got a lot more for that disgusting filthy piece of crap. Stick around. I will be tearing into that criminal until the day he dies.
 
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Oh I got a lot more for that disgusting filthy piece of crap. Stick around. I will be tearing into that criminal until the day he dies.
I mean, you keep “tearing into him,” but it’s all the same two things with slightly different wording, that he’s “senile” and a “pedo.” It’s hardly new material.
 

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Oh I got a lot more for that disgusting filthy piece of crap. Stick around. I will be tearing into that criminal until the day he dies.
You should get a conservative roulette wheel of "what will I be angry about today" to open up options. It helps to keep people guessing what mental thing will come out of their mouths that day. I know you don't like either side but it gives more baseless material to use.
 
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I mean, you keep “tearing into him,” but it’s all the same two things with slightly different wording, that he’s “senile” and a “pedo.” It’s hardly new material.
Is there anything worse than a pedo? I would love to know so I can start attacking him with that.
 
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You should get a conservative roulette wheel of "what will I be angry about today" to open up options. It helps to keep people guessing what mental thing will come out of their mouths that day. I know you don't like either side but it gives more baseless material to use.
Dude I am far from angry. I have great joy in my life. I actually enjoy beating up on pedo joe. He is like a punching bag to me and this forum is my outlet to take it out. I mean look at his face, when you look at it you don’t get the urge to just punch him in the mouth?
 
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There isn’t an American alive that doesn’t have multiple stories of welfare abuse. It’s rampant and disgusting. I will admit my heart is hardened when it comes to this due to the amount of abuse I have actually seen. I would estimate 90% abuse and I am being generous.
my biggest gripe, concern is giving welfare to illegals.
 
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I mean look at his face, when you look at it you don’t get the urge to just punch him in the mouth?
Not necessarily. For some reason, I more have the urge to catch him standing in the middle of an oriental rug atop a freshly polished wood floor. Then swiftly pulling the rug right out from under him.

Then, if he were able to get back up on his feet, repeat

The look on his face would be priceless!
 
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You guys should show more compassion to people with early onset dementia
 
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You're all taking a big risk, if joe sees this he'll take you all round the back of the gym!
yup, biden is a badass always wanting to do pushup contests....despite being a stand out wide receiver on football team in high school biden got 5 yes count them 5 deferments for asthma to keep from going to vietnam.


john fogarty objected to trump using his song fortunate son because of trumps deferments, and then endorsed biden-i guess fogerty didn't do his homework?
 
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SCOTUS dismisses ALL remaining election cases. its officially over, and now this... trumplist.org an official site for your neighbors to narc on you if they know you voted for Trump. They want to delete you for your political disobedience.
 

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SCOTUS dismisses ALL remaining election cases. its officially over, and now this... trumplist.org an official site for your neighbors to narc on you if they know you voted for Trump. They want to delete you for your political disobedience.
Lol, you Trump lovers cannot stop looking for things to be angry about. The injustice! Go lower your flag to half mast, make up some way you are being wronged, and don't let those mean liberals ruin your day. Tomorrow starts over and you'll find something else to whine about. Not that any of it will be true, but that won't stop you because it is easy to steam roll these wimp snow flake, liberals. What are they going to do anyway, they are busy trying to help Texas.
 
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Lol, you Trump lovers cannot stop looking for things to be angry about. The injustice! Go lower your flag to half mast, make up some way you are being wronged, and don't let those mean liberals ruin your day. Tomorrow starts over and you'll find something else to whine about. Not that any of it will be true, but that won't stop you because it is easy to steam roll these wimp snow flake, liberals. What are they going to do anyway, they are busy trying to help Texas.
This issue is not about Trump. It's about the rule of law that ends up effecting everyone, whether Left or Right. Nobody wins when there is no rule law, nobody. Everyone in Germany ended up suffering. Everyone in Russia ended up suffering. Everyone ends up suffering when there is no justice.
 
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Lol, you Trump lovers cannot stop looking for things to be angry about. The injustice! Go lower your flag to half mast, make up some way you are being wronged, and don't let those mean liberals ruin your day. Tomorrow starts over and you'll find something else to whine about. Not that any of it will be true, but that won't stop you because it is easy to steam roll these wimp snow flake, liberals. What are they going to do anyway, they are busy trying to help Texas.
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SCOTUS dismisses ALL remaining election cases. its officially over, and now this... trumplist.org an official site for your neighbors to narc on you if they know you voted for Trump. They want to delete you for your political disobedience.
I can’t find this trumplist.org website you speak of- it just comes back as insecure? I was all excited to use it to report a few people I know that voted for O’Biden. I was going to throw a few dead people‘s names in the mix as well.

Were known Trump voters restricted access? 😯
 
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You guys should show more compassion to people with early onset dementia
I do that at work on the regular, it takes a great deal of patience! I can’t be expected to do so when I am off the clock.

Have you ever treated a China virus patient with dementia, and deaf as (well, just literally deaf), in a negative pressure room wearing full PPE? Trust me, you don’t want to. Ever..
 
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I’m just glad we don’t have a thought police yet. I’d be in prison.
I can’t say that you’re wrong.
I’m sure I wouldn’t be far behind. I don’t even think they would appreciate my fantasies with the oriental carpet :confused:
 
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Lol, you Trump lovers cannot stop looking for things to be angry about. The injustice! Go lower your flag to half mast, make up some way you are being wronged, and don't let those mean liberals ruin your day. Tomorrow starts over and you'll find something else to whine about. Not that any of it will be true, but that won't stop you because it is easy to steam roll these wimp snow flake, liberals. What are they going to do anyway, they are busy trying to help Texas.
i bet you LOVE the patriots don't you..
 
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About Our Team

We’re a diverse group of patriots and People of Color looking to make a positive difference in America by unmasking Donald Trump voters. We believe that the majority of Trump voters only supported his presidency anonymously. It’s clear that the true majority of Americans opposed Donald Trump in public, but it’s our duty to expose those who actually supported him in private.


Patriots and people of color? That’s certainly an interesting way of defining a diverse group :ROFLMAO:

Too bad many of us Trump supporters were too afraid to support our candidate through putting signs on our lawn and such. I was fearful that my property, family, pets would be attacked by O’Biden supporters. This “team“ is disgusting, and we all know what they are truly afraid of if people aren’t silenced.


It’s because it was all part of the globalist agenda. Americans filling in little circles on pieces of paper last November wasn’t going to change that.
 
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It’s because it was all part of the globalist agenda. Americans filling in little circles on pieces of paper last November wasn’t going to change that.
I sure wish someone would step up and rectify the legal votes. No one cares that their team absolutely cheated, because no one is doing anything about it. At a minimum I want to see REAL audits in the swing states with signatures and addresses and legal right to vote.. (no dead people, no illegals, no out of staters ect.) But that's too much to ask for. Cause no one wants to see the proof. Oh and I'm sure no one still debating the steal have watched the proof of receipts.
 
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People didn’t vote for Biden because they loved him, they voted for him because he’s not Trump. It’s not that they were the “dream team,” it’s that they were literally anyone except Trump. You could have put “non-Trump candidate to be named later” and they probably still would have won. Because people didn’t want Biden, they wanted anyone except Trump...
 
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People didn’t vote for Biden because they loved him, they voted for him because he’s not Trump. It’s not that they were the “dream team,” it’s that they were literally anyone except Trump. You could have put “non-Trump candidate to be named later” and they probably still would have won. Because people didn’t want Biden, they wanted anyone except Trump...
This might be debatable. It's not like voters left Trump in droves. He got even more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

In the end even more votes turned up for Biden. New votes. An unbelievable 120yr record in voter turnout. Mostly by mail. Many without any proof of identity.
Might be legit, might be ballot stuffing. I'd like to see a thorough independent audit before I ever believe it was an honest/fair win.
 
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This might be debatable. It's not like voters left Trump in droves. He got even more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

In the end even more votes turned up for Biden. New votes. An unbelievable 120yr record in voter turnout. Mostly by mail. Many without any proof of identity.
Might be legit, might be ballot stuffing. I'd like to see a thorough independent audit before I ever believe it was an honest/fair win.
Yes. Lots of people who couldn’t be bothered to vote, thinking that all the candidates before had all sucked fairly equally, or it didn’t matter, were convinced that anyone would be much better than Trump, so came out to vote for Biden. For example of something similar, look that the third-party support in close states. It dropped off significantly in terms of % from 2016 to 2020. It is entirely possible and believable that people disliked Trump so much that they voted Biden instead of third party, or finally register to vote against Trump more than for Biden. With the increased push for Mail-in voting, people didn’t even have to leave their house to do it, so the opportunity cost was very low. And I am talking about people who legally were able to vote, but couldn’t be bothered to until now, for whatever reason.
 

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