doesn't someone make nolva/clomid blend?
i thought i heard that before
i thought i heard that before
yeah, liquid research makes a nolva/clomid combo. I think it saves you $5. I like to have anything (chems, supps, food) seperate personally, so that I can dose in the ratio I find best. I like taking clomid and nolva together PCT, but I take them with a lower dose of clomid than that combo contains. Also, what if gyno pops up? Do you really want to take 50-100 mg/day of clomid on cycle AND burn through your PCT chems? If they were seperate, you could take the nolva on cycle, then still have clomid for your PCT. (although I think clomid blows alone! you need high doses and get bad sides)doesn't someone make nolva/clomid blend?
i thought i heard that before
How do you figure this? Nolva and Clo is definitely better then just one in the first two weeks post cycle. Something like Week 1 40mg(N)/100mg(C) ; Week 2 30mg(N)/50mg(C), Week 3 20mg(N), Week 4 10mg(N) will definitely get your balls up and running faster than just nolva IMHO. It's not a huge deal but if you got the money to "WASTE" it might save you a pound or two of muscle or spare a pound or two of fat or save you a couple days of feeling like total **** because you produce no testosterone.Because it's not any better than one or the other, although some people have too much money and need to WASTE it on crap like that.
I know size has used this combo but I don't agree that it helps. There is no proof that it helps when both are used. Actually some studies suggest it might take longer when Clomid is used.I believe another mod on am did say what supersoldier is repeating that nolv+clomid is better.
How DARE you disagree with me!I know size has used this combo but I don't agree that it helps.
But if some people thinks it helps them, I won't argue with what they feel. The studies just show a different story.
I think using Nolva with 7-oxo is a much better combination.
Size, Could you provide the dosages that you used for Nolva/Clomid PCT? I'm about to start mine. I have nolva,but I also have 1/2 a bottle of clomid left too. I would like to try using them both in the best way possible. Thanks.How DARE you disagree with me!
I have used the clomid and novladex combo, and it works for me. However, I rely much more heavily on the nolvadex(nolva for 4 weeks and clomid for only 10-14 days) I have seen the studies the Bobo is refering to and it appears that he is correct. However, I have felt that this combo worked well for me. If you remember, it was not so long ago that everyone preached clomid and said nolvadex would not work. Now the tables have turned.
If I was forced to choose, I would certainly take Nolva over clomid w/o a doubt. The combo of nolva/clomid worked well for me once so I continued the same protocol. However, it is possible that the combo was unnecessary and I just happened to recover faster that time. None the less, I stuck with it.
In addition, I think 7oxo as Bobo suggested is a good idea.
Thanks man! I have just enough clomid to do that. I'll let you guys know if I recover any faster compared to clomid alone.I had good results adding 100mg clomid the first 2 days, then 50mg for about 10 days. That's along with normal nolva dosing- 40mg/20mg/20mg/10mg over 4 weeks. I tried to use as little clomid as possible, since my face breaks out like a sausage pizza with high doses of it.
Here ya go: http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php?issueID=7&pageID=77would you mind posting the next part that he mentions at the end. It seems like an interesting read. Thanks N4cer. I went to the site and couldnt find it.
Also, I don't feel Formenstane is suppressive at all taken orally. Injection might be different, but orally I don't think their is enough conversion at the dose I was taking to be suppressive at all.
formestane? the aromatase inhibitor? yeah it might bind to the AR, but it also inhibits 5-alpha reductase (if I recall correct) and aromatase, how can you concluse that just because it binds to the AR receptor that it is inhibitory, did the study find this also? the anti-estrogen/dht effect could overcompenstate hypothetically.Studies already show it binds to the AR. It is suppressive. If it doesn't convert to an amount to have a suppressive effect, then if won't have any anti-estrogen effect. Whether you inject, take it orally, transdermal or whatever, the amount needed to cause an anti-e effect will in turn cause a suppressive effect. They go hand in hand.
Effects of 4-hydroxyandrost-4-ene-3,17-dione and its metabolites on 5 alpha-reductase activity and the androgen receptor.formestane? the aromatase inhibitor? yeah it might bind to the AR, but it also inhibits 5-alpha reductase (if I recall correct) and aromatase, how can you concluse that just because it binds to the AR receptor that it is inhibitory, did the study find this also? the anti-estrogen/dht effect could overcompenstate hypothetically.
Where do you get these numbers from? And what do you mean that the bioavailability is 1 to 3mg? How do you know how much is availbable for tissue use?I was basing my opinion on it not be suppressive on the fact that at 100mg a day(which is what I was taking), the bioavailbility is probably around 1 to 3 mg. I don't think 1 to 3 mg of formenstane is suppressive. I might be wrong, but my physique and subsequent off cycle say different.
What do you mean the anit-e effect? The creation of a steroidal deficit I assume to creat LH pulse?the anti-estrogen/dht effect could overcompenstate hypothetically.
I don't think 1 to 3 mg of formenstane is suppressive. .
Short of shooting HCG you are BOUND TO HAVE low test levels for at least the first two weeks post cycle. EXTREMELY LOW! And lot's of people that don't shoot HCG keep their gains.
I'm not a simpleton, and if the formenstane hurt a little, the Clomid more than made up for it. .
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