Unanswered DHT for Deca dick?

[Brain5ick]

Yeah man better to save it up for a recomp next summer.
However, now the problem seems to be something else other than prolactin, as i lost libido again and i am still on caber (initially as i started caber i got horny as hell).
I guess it is me having normal test levels (100mg test e per week) and a lack of proviron.

I mean I expect to feel less drive or interest in sex when I lower my dose. Still currently around 425mg test cyp per week til my dick works again. Don’t want to lower my DHT at all until I start feeling normal again because obviously I need all I can get.

 

[CroLifter]

Pct is going to be tough...
when you have all this stuff lying around that can turn you into an insanely strong freak with crazy libido.
But have to maintain discipline. Gains will be that much better next year. And my body will thank me.

 

[Jinsun]

pct and after pct sucks. I just did bloods (one month after pct) and my TT is at the upper lab range, normal for me, libido is nowhere to be found... I wonder, if the supraphysiological levels of DHT during the cycle in a way desensitise you to normal levels of DHT. And it takes the body some time to resensitise. There is also the question of dopamine. On cycle you have really high levels of dopa. Also depression...

 

[CroLifter]

pct and after pct sucks. I just did bloods (one month after pct) and my TT is at the upper lab range, normal for me, libido is nowhere to be found... I wonder, if the supraphysiological levels of DHT during the cycle in a way desensitise you to normal levels of DHT. And it takes the body some time to resensitise. There is also the question of dopamine. On cycle you have really high levels of dopa. Also depression...

Have to come up with a highly technical project to keep myself occupied during and after pct and to keep the depression away (biggest concern). So that i dont have time to be depressed.
That and keep the intensity in the gym.

libido has been absent for the 80% of the cycle so not having any during pct will not be anything new.

 

[Brain5ick]

This is why I cruise lol.

 

[CroLifter]

You are on trt so it is different. I will try to recover and see where i am at.

Btw be careful with caber sides can be interesting. At first it dropped my blood pressure so that i had difficulty walking.
Now i seem to get this strange feeling of warmth under my skin in random areas and when i concentrate on an object it seems as if it is sloooowly moving.
I think i am going to quit caber for now,

It has a long half life so even though you are taking a small dose it builds up in your system.

 

[Brain5ick]

You are on trt so it is different. I will try to recover and see where i am at.

Btw be careful with caber sides can be interesting. At first it dropped my blood pressure so that i had difficulty walking.
Now i seem to get this strange feeling of warmth under my skin in random areas and when i concentrate on an object it seems as if it is sloooowly moving.
I think i am going to quit caber for now,

It has a long half life so even though you are taking a small dose it builds up in your system.

Yeah I’d start with .125mg twice a week and go from there. Those are some weird sides though!
Yeah you’re right, if my berries worked properly in the first place I’d try to come off more than likely. I’m going to be on Cialis as soon as it touches down which should only be 1-3 days from now so anything that’s known to drop my BP otherwise I probably shouldn’t mix with it. We will just have to see what my labs say.

 

[CroLifter]

Side effects can be anything from anxiety, nausea to fainting. A nasty drug.

ohh, and weird smell/taste from time to time.

you can take 0.25 as your first dose you should feel libido boost the next day.

 

[Jinsun]

You are on trt so it is different. I will try to recover and see where i am at.

Btw be careful with caber sides can be interesting. At first it dropped my blood pressure so that i had difficulty walking.
Now i seem to get this strange feeling of warmth under my skin in random areas and when i concentrate on an object it seems as if it is sloooowly moving.
I think i am going to quit caber for now,

It has a long half life so even though you are taking a small dose it builds up in your system.

Using caber now. Have exactly the same problem; low blood pressure! As in, it's hard to even walk! And now a vein in my left inner thigh has popped out and I'm having real difficulties lifting and bending my knee. Strong sides, I'm surprised.

 

[CroLifter]

Using caber now. Have exactly the same problem; low blood pressure! As in, it's hard to even walk! And now a vein in my left inner thigh has popped out and I'm having real difficulties lifting and bending my knee. Strong sides, I'm surprised.

It seems to occur only at the beginning. I dont have it anymore (hypotension) but i feel weird overall, kinda druggy.

i am currently looking into other options for prolactin control such as p5p as my caber will expire till next spring when i start another cycle.

 

[Outofbody]

Using caber now. Have exactly the same problem; low blood pressure! As in, it's hard to even walk!

I just had this problem last week while taking 1-2G of phenibut nightly to sleep, while also taking caber twice a week. Walking was weeeeird... never thought of low bloood pressure though as mine runs naturally high but next time I’ll keep an eye on that.

 

[TMloc]

Sounds pretty much like running deca is taking your dick to Vegas and putting it on the crap table.I really been wanting to run it too but I think I might need to pass on it..Seems there is no definitive way to combat the broke dick side..

 

[CroLifter]

Sounds pretty much like running deca is taking your dick to Vegas and putting it on the crap table.I really been wanting to run it too but I think I might need to pass on it..Seems there is no definitive way to combat the broke dick side..

Everybody is different. I was on test only and had all kinds of problems, prolactin namely. Total loss of libido.
That being said, plenty of people do fine with test higher than deca.

 

[TMloc]

Everybody is different. I was on test only and had all kinds of problems, prolactin namely. Total loss of libido.
That being said, plenty of people do fine with test higher than deca.

Next time you run Test only throw in some proviron 50mgs. Was your Test real test and not deca?

 

[TMloc]

@CroLifter Yea I get everyone is different and we all react differently to different compounds. Most stories with deca involved end with problems but to each it's own..

 

[CroLifter]

Next time you run Test only throw in some proviron 50mgs. Was your Test real test and not deca?

Real test from a pharmacy and homebrew, both confirmed with bloodwork.
I even added 400mg of masteron but nothing, nothing helped as my prolactin rose.

 

[TMloc]

Sounds like it was really frustrating,was it just that one time or every time you run test

 

[CroLifter]

Sounds like it was really frustrating,was it just that one time or every time you run test

It was my first ever cycle. But i naturally have extremely low libido, never j@cked off in my life. The only time libido was crazy was about 10 days into the cycle but it died down few days later. Then again for few days during week 11 and for like 3 days after i started caber.

The resto of the time, nothing.

 

[Brain5ick]

So labs are in! Prolactin is great, estrogen is not... wondering how high it was before this but I took my shot of test cyp 200mg this morning before labs. Could it aromatize this quickly or is this more than likely my normal levels as of lately?

 

[Brain5ick]

@CroLifter @Old Witch @Renew1 @Jinsun what should I do? Continue the deca and smash my Estrogen? What kind of dosage of AI should I take to get back to normal? I’m not sure at all how this happened except for maybe the deca started kicking in and finally built up aromatization.

 

[CroLifter]

Dont smash your estrogen. Up your ai till you get your e2 in the normal, high-normal range.
Crashed e2 sucks.

And you have been blasting for how many weeks?
i would personally consider ending my blast and returning to a replacement dose of just test.

 

[Jinsun]

Wow that's really high e2 for 400 mg's test. Does the arometised deca get picked up by the scanner as e2??

Anyway @Brain5ick well estrogen is simple really. Just use the right amount of an Ai. You will need letro to bring your levels down. I prefer my e2 at around 20 pg/mL, ymmv. That's 80 pg/mL that needs to be brought down. I would take 2.5 mg's of letro eod for a week and then lower to 1.25 eod and keep it there then - see where that puts you. If you are at 100 with 400 test this means that you heavily arometise and 1.25 letro eod Might not be enough. But some of that e2 is probably also there from deca, and if you removed deca this means that e2 should fall off a bit probably. idk, only you know how much Ai you need and we don't know how much of e2 is from deca and how much from test. But just as a general thumb, deca doesn't arometise a lot. Maybe it's different for you? idk. I need app 0.625 mg's eod of letro for 500 test, for instance. How much Ai do you usually use with this much test? Have you used deca before?

In any case, this levels of estrogen do explain why you feel like you do. I am certain that when you bring your levels down, your ED will get a lot better. And do bring them down quickly as 100 is definitely where gyno can start to form. The fact that you don't fell it yet doesn't mean that it isn't already forming.

 

[Brain5ick]

Well normally I run .75mg adex twice a week for 400mg test and I’m good, this is also my first time running deca. I just have no clue how it got this high I really don’t

 

[Brain5ick]

Also took .25mg adex before bed and 1mg adex upon waking. Hoping it helps.

 

[Renew1]

You're gonna need another blood test soon. Like Jinsun was saying ... You've got a long way to drop, and a lot of variables. And you don't want to end up crushing your Estrogen.
You need to decide right now, if you're going to drop down to cruise/TRT levels or not, to remove one variable (IMO).

 

[Jinsun]

Well normally I run .75mg adex twice a week for 400mg test and I’m good, this is also my first time running deca. I just have no clue how it got this high I really don’t

This would indicate that deca is somehow responsible for the extra estrogen...

 

[Brain5ick]

This would indicate that deca is somehow responsible for the extra estrogen...

Since the decanoate ester takes so long to really let things kick in, that’s what makes me think the aromatization happened over time and hit me out of no where. I just didn’t catch it! Think about it, everything started happening around week 7, that’s when I noticed the most strength and gains as well as healing benefits from it, I felt pretty great aside from my dick not working. Just blows my mind though. Not sure how to continue running it and dose my AI on it if I react like this to it. After 1.25mg adex I’m noticing slight differences but we will see how I feel in a few days. Any advice?

 

[Brain5ick]

I’d have 3 more weeks of this blast, but me and my wife go at it like rabbits. We had sex this morning which was AWESOME after going so long without wood but I did notice right there at the end I started slowly losing wood. Bummer, but better than absolutely nothing.

 

[Old Witch]

Proviron, caber, and cialis is the holy trinity of making your dick hard.

 

[Brain5ick]

Proviron, caber, and cialis is the holy trinity of making your dick hard.

On Cialis and 3mg adex per week right now. After a couple days I’m starting to finally feel like myself again.

 

[CroLifter]

Proviron, caber, and cialis is the holy trinity of making your dick hard.

For some reason i am cialis non responder.

 

[Brain5ick]

For some reason i am cialis non responder.

I wonder why that is

I think your issue is more so with desire and sensitivity than blood flow or other general ED issues. After taking all this adex I’m back to the deca and high test, taking Cialis here and there and I am so horny all the time I could nut in my pants lmao. It was definitely my estrogen but I’m curious about you. How’s your ED stuff going?

 

[CroLifter]

I wonder why that is

I think your issue is more so with desire and sensitivity than blood flow or other general ED issues. After taking all this adex I’m back to the deca and high test, taking Cialis here and there and I am so horny all the time I could nut in my pants lmao. It was definitely my estrogen but I’m curious about you. How’s your ED stuff going?

i am in the process of working out the smallest t replacement dose i can get away with because of the hematocrit.

 

[Brain5ick]

i am in the process of working out the smallest t replacement dose i can get away with because of the hematocrit.

Ah I see. What dosage?

 

[CroLifter]

90 mg e5d of test e no ai (recovering from crashed e2 as we speak) , hcg shipment seized by customs therefore forced to extend my "trt" for 6 more weeks (moving, vacation etc).

yeah i have no desire. Starting to believe it is just the way i am.

i do get morning wood, although not 100% hard.

and yeah, no sensitivity.

 

[Codybenz]

Proviron, caber, and cialis is the holy trinity of making your dick hard.

Hey the Witch is back

 

[Brain5ick]

90 mg e5d of test e no ai (recovering from crashed e2 as we speak) , hcg shipment seized by customs therefore forced to extend my "trt" for 6 more weeks (moving, vacation etc).

yeah i have no desire. Starting to believe it is just the way i am.

i do get morning wood, although not 100% hard.

and yeah, no sensitivity.

Maybe you need better Cialis or a higher dosage?

 

[CroLifter]

and I am so horny all the time I could nut in my pants lmao.

I am soooo jealous
i know that feeling and really miss it. Managed to get it back using proviron and caber for a few days however i cant stay on those drugs long term.

i mean i could add a little bit of proviron, a little bit of masteron etc

but then it is no longer trt

and i said to myself ok cro, if you have to extend this cruise then make it just a replacement

no more drugs for you young man!

 

[Brain5ick]

I am soooo jealous
i know that feeling and really miss it. Managed to get it back using proviron and caber for a few days however i cant stay on those drugs long term.

i mean i could add a little bit of proviron, a little bit of masteron etc

but then it is no longer trt

and i said to myself ok cro, if you have to extend this cruise then make it just a replacement

no more drugs for you young man!

Well it’s nice at the moment but I feel like at 3mg adex a week I’m gonna crash my estrogen. As soon as I feel my joints hurting I’m gonna back off.

 

[CroLifter]

My theory is that i am a very low converter of t to dht (just like i am a low converter of t to e) nad also believe that to be the case for people who dont feel the "umph" from injectable testosterone (myself included).

Several people suggested me to switch to a combo of low dose injection mixed with scrotal cream, that is supposed to get my dht up.
However, gels and creams are not readily available around here.

 

[Brain5ick]

My theory is that i am a very low converter of t to dht (just like i am a low converter of t to e) nad also believe that to be the case for people who dont feel the "umph" from injectable testosterone (myself included).

Several people suggested me to switch to a combo of low dose injection mixed with scrotal cream, that is supposed to get my dht up.
However, gels and creams are not readily available around here.

Try Epi Andro. Works reaaaaal well for my libido but at stupid high doses you won’t last as long in bed.

 

[CroLifter]

Try Epi Andro. Works reaaaaal well for my libido but at stupid high doses you won’t last as long in bed.

I mean i do have proviron and masteron but as i said i dont want to use anything but testosterone right now outside the blast.
I am just replacing natural priduction till i can get my hands on hcg and start pct.

I actually feel the same as when i was natty when it còmes to libido right now. It is definitely not worse.

It is just that i need a substantial dose (200 mg + per week) to get a boost in libido,

 

[CroLifter]

Maybe you need better Cialis or a higher dosage?

I tried cialis at 10mg, i got red all over, i was hot and later that day had terrible gas for some reason.

the good thing in all of this is that i am not in a relationship, so in all seriousness i shouldnt be worrying about this.

 

[Renew1]

I tried cialis at 10mg, i got red all over, i was hot and later that day had terrible gas for some reason.

the good thing in all of this is that i am not in a relationship, so in all seriousness i shouldnt be worrying about this.

Seems counterproductive to getting laid. LOL.
Oddly enough .... ED drugs never did anything for me, one way or another. (People have given me samples in the past).

 

[Outofbody]

For some reason i am cialis non responder.

This is notoriously the case for anyone who's E2 is out of wack. Cialis, etc, just won't work very well unless E2 is dialed in. I'm not exactly sure why.

 

[CroLifter]

This is notoriously the case for anyone who's E2 is out of wack. Cialis, etc, just won't work very well unless E2 is dialed in. I'm not exactly sure why.

Because it is a desire issue, not ed. I lack desire.

 

[Outofbody]

My theory is that i am a very low converter of t to dht (just like i am a low converter of t to e) nad also believe that to be the case for people who dont feel the "umph" from injectable testosterone (myself included).

Several people suggested me to switch to a combo of low dose injection mixed with scrotal cream, that is supposed to get my dht up.
However, gels and creams are not readily available around here.

Yup that definitely works. Skyrockets my DHT levels. You can try to order pure DHT cream online if test cream isn't available in your area.

 

[CroLifter]

Yup that definitely works. Skyrockets my DHT levels. You can try to order pure DHT cream online if test cream isn't available in your area.

Can you actually feel the skyrocketed dht levels?

 

[LondonerTWBULLY]

I find sidnafil(generic viagra) works best if you don’t feel like it but missus is raping you.......

 

[Outofbody]

I like combining levitra with a half tab of viagra Throw in some PT-141 and it’s porno time for a day.