no, they are a great group with an incredible knowledge base but they are also the reason i got in the business. the amount they and other suppliers overcharge is just flat out ridiculous and that does nothing to help the community. most of the strongmen and powerlifters i have met don't have that kind of money to throw around and i just don't think it is fair. you should not have to be rich to enjoy this type of training. for example, they sell 5/8" chain for $85 + $45 S&H:jaw:, i do the same thing for $70 shipped. somebody had to step in and change things and that is exactly what we are doing