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Lol that is what capsule shell is made of and 100%safe gmp certified

Could’ve just put other ingridents : veg capsule like other co.
 
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Care to educate us on what is toxic in there and why?
Is there a reason they need to be included.. google each no clear evidence linked to side effects if there was then it be banned.. just surprised all thoose are needed
 
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Is there a reason they need to be included.. google each no clear evidence linked to side effects if there was then it be banned.. just surprised all thoose are needed
I’m no expert in capsule manufacturing by any means, but all of those ingredients are also very common in chewing gum and breath mints. I’d imagine they are necessary to keep the capsules from deteriorating and to allow them to hold their shape. Don’t see anything in there that concerns me, that’s why I was curious if you knew something that I didn’t. I love to be proved wrong because that means I’m learning
 
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Is there a reason they need to be included.. google each no clear evidence linked to side effects if there was then it be banned.. just surprised all thoose are needed
I’m no expert in capsule manufacturing by any means, but all of those ingredients are also very common in chewing gum and breath mints. I’d imagine they are necessary to keep the capsules from deteriorating and to allow them to hold their shape. Don’t see anything in there that concerns me, that’s why I was curious if you knew something that I didn’t. I love to be proved wrong because that means I’m learning
 
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Whats with the other ingredients in there? Sns needs to trying and make capsules more friendly for ppl enough of thoose toxins.. if I take 10 different pills per day.. im sure it eventually effect me... just a saying not trying to discourage ppl from product
It's hard to take this statement in any way other than disparaging, especially when you say that you're 'sure' and its absolutely not true.

Just because some companies choose to not list the 'other ingredients' or excipients doesn't mean they aren't there. Some companies that list the word 'none' on their other ingredients for capsules are absolutely full of it because the capsule itself has ingredients that make it up and also some materials absolutely have to have excipients mixed with them as flow materials or they would be a clumpy gooey mess. These excipients aren't mixed in for the hell of it or no reason; they're blended with the ingredient to ensure that it 'flows' on the production equipment more efficiently for a uniform dosage per capsule and to keep the powder from being hydroscopic and absorbing moisture and being a clumpy mess inside the capsule; and if the capsules are close to full and this effect happens it can cause capsules to pop open.

Look at any major company whether in the bodybuilding segment or general health segment - take NOW Foods for example, they list their other ingredients because legally you're supposed to. Years ago, the FDA wasn't strict on this and many of the bodybuilding companies didn't do that. Those days have past. The companies that aren't doing it are taking big chances and if they ever get a GMP FDA inspection are likely going to regret it.

Basically, you're criticizing SNS for being truthful in labeling about other ingredients and not lying to consumers.

In regards to these other ingredients you're calling toxins:

Capsule Shell (Vegetable Cellulose, Titanium Dioxide):
- Vegetable Cellulose - what the capsule is made of
- Titanium Dioxide - This is what makes the capsule white. (so think about that - whether a company lists it or not, if there is white in your capsule, it has titanium dioxide).

Other Ingredients/Excipients/Flow Materials:
DiCalcium Phosphate - a form of calcium found in everything from children's breakfast cereal to calcium supplements.

Magnesium Stearate - form of magnesium used to help increase solubulity and mixing of foods, cosmetics, and dietary supplements and has GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.

Silicon Dioxide (Silica) - GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status and used well into the thousands of milligrams a day in many hair, skin and nails supplements. Many companies even make single ingredient silica products for hair, skin, and nail health.

Another irony is that we have even been using Veggie caps on products like this and you still made a comment like the above one.

I tried to explain this as nicely as I can and I'm really not trying to be rude, but you basically took a shot at SNS for being truthful in labeling about other ingredients and not lying to consumers and following the law.

If you'd like to continue this conversation, please take it to pm's or the thread about things you'd like to see from us.
 
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I’m no expert in capsule manufacturing by any means, but all of those ingredients are also very common in chewing gum and breath mints. I’d imagine they are necessary to keep the capsules from deteriorating and to allow them to hold their shape. Don’t see anything in there that concerns me, that’s why I was curious if you knew something that I didn’t. I love to be proved wrong because that means I’m learning
You actually made a very good point that I didn't elaborate on in my post. Lack of completely filling up a capsule can lead to the capsule not holding its shape and make it more likely to come open and therefore spill the ingredients in the bottle.
 
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It's hard to take this statement in any way other than disparaging, especially when you say that you're 'sure' and its absolutely not true.

Just because some companies choose to not list the 'other ingredients' or excipients doesn't mean they aren't there. Some companies that list the word 'none' on their other ingredients for capsules are absolutely full of it because the capsule itself has ingredients that make it up and also some materials absolutely have to have excipients mixed with them as flow materials or they would be a clumpy gooey mess. These excipients aren't mixed in for the hell of it or no reason; they blended with the ingredient to ensure that it 'flows' on the production equipment more efficiently for a uniform dosage per capsule and to keep the powder from being hydroscopic and absorbing moisture and being a clumpy mess inside the capsule; and if the capsules are close to full and this effect happens it can cause capsules to pop open.

Look at any major company whether in the bodybuilding segment or general health segment - take NOW Foods for example, they list their other ingredients because legally you're supposed to. Years ago, the FDA wasn't strict on this and many of the bodybuilding companies didn't do that. Those days have past. The companies that aren't doing it are taking big chances and if they ever get a GMP FDA inspection are likely going to regret it.

Basically, you're criticizing SNS for being truthful in labeling about other ingredients and not lying to consumers.

In regards to these other ingredients you're calling toxins:

Capsule Shell (Vegetable Cellulose, Titanium Dioxide):
- Vegetable Cellulose - what the capsule is made of
- Titanium Dioxide - This is what makes the capsule white. (so think about that - whether a company lists it or not, if there is white in your capsule, it has titanium dioxide).

Other Ingredients/Excipients/Flow Materials:
DiCalcium Phosphate - a form of calcium found in everything from children's breakfast cereal to calcium supplements.

Magnesium Stearate - form of magnesium used to help increase solubulity and mixing of foods, cosmetics, and dietary supplements and has GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.

Silicon Dioxide (Silica) - GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status and used well into the thousands of milligrams a day in many hair, skin and nails supplements. Many companies even make single ingredient silica products for hair, skin, and nail health.

Another irony is that we have even been using Veggie caps on products like this and you still made a comment like the above one.

I tried to explain this as nicely as I can and I'm really not trying to be rude, but you basically took a shot at SNS for being truthful in labeling about other ingredients and not lying to consumers and following the law.

If you'd like to continue this conversation, please take it to pm's or the thread about things you'd like to see from us.
No need to continue convo.. think you got wrong end of the stick... but can leave this to rest..
 
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^keep in mind this guy has never been satisfied by a brand or supplement in his life lol constant boneheaded criticisms

Lol .. I responded short and sweet .. sns explained it perfectly

Can’t even believe this was a topic
 
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^keep in mind this guy has never been satisfied by a brand or supplement in his life lol constant boneheaded criticisms
Frustration is understandable but let's please not say anymore disparaging remarks about him. I hope that I adequately explained it for him and for others reading and I also pm'd him that I'm always glad to answer questions and try to help people in any way that I can but that to companies there's a difference between asking a question and saying a disparaging statement that leads into a question. He posted no need to continue the convo, so let's please all let it go and get back on subject with what this thread's about - Anabolic Effect.
 

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Really excited to see the final profile. I know Steve and the SNS team have been hard at work on this release for a bit of time now
 
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When can we expect the full ingredient profile to be released?

When will this product be available?
We should start releasing some ingredients within the next several days; the full profile will probably not be available until it's actually released. We're not one of those companies that likes to promise an actual release date because nothing in this industry ever happens on time haha; but best guess would be week after next for the actual release. But don't hold me to that.
 
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We should start releasing some ingredients within the next several days; the full profile will probably not be available until it's actually released. We're not one of those companies that likes to promise an actual release date because nothing in this industry ever happens on time haha; but best guess would be week after next for the actual release. But don't hold me to that.
This is a way better timeframe than most companies out here promising a 4 month time frame and 9 months later nothing.
 
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We should start releasing some ingredients within the next several days; the full profile will probably not be available until it's actually released. We're not one of those companies that likes to promise an actual release date because nothing in this industry ever happens on time haha; but best guess would be week after next for the actual release. But don't hold me to that.
This is a way better timeframe than most companies out here promising a 4 month time frame and 9 months later nothing.
 
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This is a way better timeframe than most companies out here promising a 4 month time frame and 9 months later nothing.
That's why we generally wait until things are closer to being done to mention them because I know firsthand the delays there can be in this industry.
 

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Would you say it's more geared to bulking or cutting. Mainly, will it increase appetite.

I'm looking to cut down the next few months and appetite is something I've never had an issue with to say the least.
 
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Would you say it's more geared to bulking or cutting. Mainly, will it increase appetite.

I'm looking to cut down the next few months and appetite is something I've never had an issue with to say the least.
Great question and the type of questions I've been hoping this thread would generate more of.

That is going to be part of the uniqueness of this product in that it will be so versatile and will be able to be used towards cutting, bulking, or recomp.

That's really the gold standard of an anabolic if you think about it - something that can help build lean muscle and lose fat at the same time. Of course the direction your diet is geared would be the primary direction it would help in but it should be effective at both.

It is not designed to specifically increase appetite but whether it does will likely be individual dependent.

I'm in a phase where I'm trying to put back on muscle but get leaner at the same time and it will be included in my personal regimen the moment it arrives.
 
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Great question and the type of questions I've been hoping this thread would generate more of.

That is going to be part of the uniqueness of this product in that it will be so versatile and will be able to be used towards cutting, bulking, or recomp.

That's really the gold standard of an anabolic if you think about it - something that can help build lean muscle and lose fat at the same time. Of course the direction your diet is geared would be the primary direction it would help in but it should be effective at both.

It is not designed to specifically increase appetite but whether it does will likely be individual dependent.

I'm in a phase where I'm trying to put back on muscle but get leaner at the same time and it will be included in my personal regimen the moment it arrives.
What type of results have you been seeing from your testers in terms of:
Libido
Muscle gain
Sense of wellbeing
Endurance
Fat loss
Side effects
 
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Great question and the type of questions I've been hoping this thread would generate more of.

That is going to be part of the uniqueness of this product in that it will be so versatile and will be able to be used towards cutting, bulking, or recomp.

That's really the gold standard of an anabolic if you think about it - something that can help build lean muscle and lose fat at the same time. Of course the direction your diet is geared would be the primary direction it would help in but it should be effective at both.

It is not designed to specifically increase appetite but whether it does will likely be individual dependent.

I'm in a phase where I'm trying to put back on muscle but get leaner at the same time and it will be included in my personal regimen the moment it arrives.
What type of results have you been seeing from your testers in terms of:
Libido
Muscle gain
Sense of wellbeing
Endurance
Fat loss
Side effects
 
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Has there been beta testing done with the complete formula?
No, and there's a reason.
Certain ingredients are common and we already know what to expect from them.
Certain ones also have clinical studies backing them.

So if we were to do testing on the formula as a whole with them in there, the results could have been skewed because they are a great combination themselves and those alone would have lead to great results and therefore there would have been no way to actually know if the other ingredients were adding to the effects.

I hope that makes sense :)

What type of results have you been seeing from your testers in terms of:
Libido
Muscle gain
Sense of wellbeing
Endurance
Fat loss
Side effects
Improved Libido
Increases in Lean Muscle
Increases in Strength (both gym strength and in explosive strength)
Improved Sense of Well-Being
Being in a better mood for no reason (exact quote from couple different people)
Increased Endurance
Improved Recovery (both during the workout and between workouts)
Fat Loss
Losing fat without dietary or training focus being on losing fat while not inhibiting muscle gains when they are the primary focus of the diet and training regimen.

No complaints of any sides from anyone.
 
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Sounds like we are going to need a PCT For this...

I'm not sure why you would think that but there is no PCT needed - it's a natural anabolic; just a very comprehensive formula.

And to the contrary, I could see this becoming a staple product in many people's PCT's to keep their gains going.
 
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I'm not sure why you would think that but there is no PCT needed - it's a natural anabolic; just a very comprehensive formula.

And to the contrary, I could see this becoming a staple product in many people's PCT's to keep their gains going.
Can you leak if this product contains an atractylodes extract?

Just curious..
 
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I'm not sure why you would think that but there is no PCT needed - it's a natural anabolic; just a very comprehensive formula.

And to the contrary, I could see this becoming a staple product in many people's PCT's to keep their gains going.
It was a joke, the benefits you listed sounded that of something a little more ‘enhanced’


On a serious note it ticks a lot of boxes that people are after in a natty anabolic

I look forward to seeing the full product
 
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I'm guessing that aside from Korean mistletoe, this product could contain: Asparagus racemosus, Chlorophytum borivilianum , or Dactylorhiza hatagirea .
 
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I mentioned Korean Mistletoe and didn't get a quote or reply or anything. Must be onto something. I'll throw in urolithin B also
Does this not sound like the olympus labs product!.. also there is a heated debate on urolithin B ( please search forums)
 
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Any company can use any ingredient they like

Black lion also used KM in vector

So are they copying both OL and BLS?!
Not even close .. will be much better then anything out there imo

And yes any1 can use any ingridents long as it’s not TM ingrident by a co
 
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I am speaking just for me but others may agree I haven't been this excited for a release since about 8 years or so.
I mean they are still just supplements to me, but yes this I’m anxious for (and the new lean edge).
 

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