still a natty product thoughWelcome to the dark side of gains.
Light side / Grey side / Dark side in supps world
still a natty product thoughWelcome to the dark side of gains.
I'd say no effect, none positive, but none negative.How's AE on joints?
Iāve read that Laxogenin helps some people in terms of joints .So was rushing out when I wrote that this morning, just a couple caveats that may matter.
There isn't anything in this that I would think would negatively effect joints in any way.
What I think happens with products of a similar nature (natural anabolics that shouldn't have any active MOA that cause joint issues) is that these products increase your work capacity and/or your recovery. If you aren't following a structured plan (or even if you are but don't follow the right precautions) you end up adding more volume, training with higher intensity, or increase the frequency of your training without also upping other recovery methods. You feel great initially, but that may be too much for the joints if they aren't used to it.
Long rant(ish) post, but ya I have had minimal issues, don't forsee this causing any, but just feel you must be cautious with how quick improvements may come.
100% agree with this. I know that I personally will add a few reps or even sets when Iām āfeeling itā which happens much more often than normal when I run something effective. I find myself going for longer runs with the dog too which adds even more āvolumeā and general abuse to joints and tendons for sureSo was rushing out when I wrote that this morning, just a couple caveats that may matter.
There isn't anything in this that I would think would negatively effect joints in any way.
What I think happens with products of a similar nature (natural anabolics that shouldn't have any active MOA that cause joint issues) is that these products increase your work capacity and/or your recovery. If you aren't following a structured plan (or even if you are but don't follow the right precautions) you end up adding more volume, training with higher intensity, or increase the frequency of your training without also upping other recovery methods. You feel great initially, but that may be too much for the joints if they aren't used to it.
Long rant(ish) post, but ya I have had minimal issues, don't forsee this causing any, but just feel you must be cautious with how quick improvements may come.
I've read that in some people but things like Cissus XT have a lot better consistent feedback for joint, tendon, and ligament health and it's also a lot less expensive than Laxogenin based products.Iāve read that Laxogenin helps some people in terms of joints .
I think that would be awesome. I have to be conscious of how much I spend, so I keep a kind of "limit" or budget so multiple natural anabolic type products isn't as common for me anymore. Both those treated me well though so I can't imagine you'd have any issues combining.thoughts on running AE together with BMP and maybe another fat burner like True Shred?
Agreed. I feel like I noticed a little bit on Laxo, but also think I may have placeboed myself into feeling it helped my joints. Something like Cissus or Boswellia have a much more pronounced effect in that regards for me.I've read that in some people but things like Cissus XT have a lot better consistent feedback for joint, tendon, and ligament health and it's also a lot less expensive than Laxogenin based products.
Agreed. It's very easy to spend a ton when trying to stack some natty products.I think that would be awesome. I have to be conscious of how much I spend, so I keep a kind of "limit" or budget so multiple natural anabolic type products isn't as common for me anymore.
And usually for minimal additional benefit.Agreed. It's very easy to spend a ton when trying to stack some natty products.
True, very true. I was just making a comparison of natural anabolic, though . When I used laxo , I couldnāt tell if it was actually doing anything or not. I feel āsomethingā but you canāt really pin point what.I've read that in some people but things like Cissus XT have a lot better consistent feedback for joint, tendon, and ligament health and it's also a lot less expensive than Laxogenin based products.
thoughts on running AE together with BMP and maybe another fat burner like True Shred?
Most of us have used at least 2 bottles in a row of AE on a run. If you are enjoying it, definitely go for 2-3 months. As far as stacking, I personally didnāt experience any benefits from BMP that would justify ongoing use, so I recently discontinued it after 5-6 consecutive months or so. Other people seem to love it, so I must be an anomaly. On the other hand, I respond exceptionally well to True Shred (more of a recomp agent than fat burner), and AE has also earned its place as a top supplement in my book. I just ordered two more bottles myself!Can AE be ran for 8 weeks straight? i'm about a couple weeks into my first bottle and am curious to keep it going or wait a month
Definitely agree with this statement on stacking BMP and AE for an awesome natty recomp!That said, bmp is so unique that you could stack it with just about anything and see something better. When stacked with something good like anabolic effect Iād think the combo could make for a pretty dramatic recomp
yes def .. 8min .. 12max i recommendCan AE be ran for 8 weeks straight? i'm about a couple weeks into my first bottle and am curious to keep it going or wait a month
AbsolutelyCan AE be ran for 8 weeks straight? i'm about a couple weeks into my first bottle and am curious to keep it going or wait a month
AbsolutelyCan AE be ran for 8 weeks straight? i'm about a couple weeks into my first bottle and am curious to keep it going or wait a month
Any cumulative effect in running it for months on end, or is it just geared toward acute effects in 8-12 week spans? Iām wondering if thereās any benefit in extending my run beyond beyond 12 weeks. Worth it or are we just looking at diminishing / plateauing effects?
In my opinion, there would be so from a personal perspective, my run I'm getting ready to start will likely go beyond 12 weeks. It's just that from a company perspective, its common place to say 8 to 12 weeks on products like this. I hope that makes sense.Any cumulative effect in running it for months on end, or is it just geared toward acute effects in 8-12 week spans? Iām wondering if thereās any benefit in extending my run beyond beyond 12 weeks. Worth it or are we just looking at diminishing / plateauing effects?
As the guys said, there's really nothing in here that should see any diminishing returns as far as effectiveness so in that regard, you're good to go... that said, formally we always have to say to cycle things after 12 weeks or so.Any cumulative effect in running it for months on end, or is it just geared toward acute effects in 8-12 week spans? Iām wondering if thereās any benefit in extending my run beyond beyond 12 weeks. Worth it or are we just looking at diminishing / plateauing effects?
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I think in general you could stack with anything, but I was real tempted to do that combo.What about stacking Ep1logue and AE? Thoughts?
that would be a nice stackWhat about stacking Ep1logue and AE? Thoughts?
How much weight gain did you have at 8 weeks?So my second bottle is running out soon for this run.
Hard to stop as Iām crushing it in the gym, but I think Iāll continue the 8weeks on/4 weeks off rotation for a bit.
Quick overview on how this seems to go for me:
Weeks 3-4 are where I āfeelā the changes most. I feel and see increases in muscle fullness, vascularity, and pretty big boosts in pumps and performance.
Weeks 5-8 are where I notice the most benefits during training. I donāt āfeelā it working as much I guess and I notice improvement in training the first bottle, but things just snowball in the second bottle where I feel unstoppable in the gym and I add weight or increase performance pretty much everywhere every session.
I went pretty slow this time. About 3lbs, but gains are always slow at this rate in the game.How much weight gain did you have at 8 weeks?
Maybe you have lost 1-2 lbs fat tissue? You said you thought you looked leaner than before?I went pretty slow this time. About 3lbs, but gains are always slow at this rate in the game.
I did almost have trouble eating enough this time though, I can eat a decent bit on this with how hard I train and have some pretty steady slow gains.
Possibly, but idk.Maybe you have lost 1-2 lbs fat tissue? You said you thought you looked leaner than before?
Which is hella saying something since youāre always in great shape compared to most of us chonks hahaPossibly, but idk.
I was honestly more focused on training performance this time around and probably wasn't as strict with the diet as when I ran the full log the first time. I am literally destroying my gym sessions though this may be close to the best shape I've ever been in.
Great run .. i know its so hard to stop on these supps when you are seeing results.So my second bottle is running out soon for this run.
Hard to stop as Iām crushing it in the gym, but I think Iāll continue the 8weeks on/4 weeks off rotation for a bit.
Quick overview on how this seems to go for me:
Weeks 3-4 are where I āfeelā the changes most. I feel and see increases in muscle fullness, vascularity, and pretty big boosts in pumps and performance.
Weeks 5-8 are where I notice the most benefits during training. I donāt āfeelā it working as much I guess and I notice improvement in training the first bottle, but things just snowball in the second bottle where I feel unstoppable in the gym and I add weight or increase performance pretty much everywhere every session.
Purposely didn't buy more AE because if I did I probably wouldn't stop.Great run .. i know its so hard to stop on these supps when you are seeing results.
Give it time and then stack it with Mtest .. it is pretty fun
My vote would be m-test just because I know how well they go together. BMP is def the most interesting (and one I want to try myself) so that would be my 2Purposely didn't buy more AE because if I did I probably wouldn't stop.
So I'll pick some more up in a month and run again.
Debating either BMP, M-test, or Inhibit-E with it.
Maybe if I end up trying to lean out during that time. It may be weird, but my biggest concern would be how much of a libido boost M-test may give, I already feel like AE gives me some boost (maybe just has me recovering so well things stay "optimized") and a little afraid how it'll be with more hahaMy vote would be m-test just because I know how well they go together. BMP is def the most interesting (and one I want to try myself) so that would be my 2