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Here is a comparison of some labs that I had taken while on 20mg/day of "Nolvadex for TRT" and the "100mg Test + HCG for TRT" protocols. The only reason I don't call the latter the "Dr John protocol" is because the T shots were sub-q:
Nolvadex @ 20mg day, 3grains Armour Thyroid, no Medrol (was on this combo for 7 months...these are the final labs from it)
Albumin: 4.8 (3.7-5.1)
SHBG: 16 (5-49)
Total T: 585 (241-827)
Free T: 179 (34-194)
Free and Weakly Bound T: 391 (84-402)
Estradiol aka E2: 16 (13-54)
LH: 6.8 (1.5-9.3)
DHT: 52 (25-75)
Progesterone: n/a (0.6-2.6)
Pregnenolone: 10 (10-200)
Free T3: 398 (230-420)
T3 Uptake: 40 H (22-35)
DHEA-s: 231 (110-370)
AM Cortisol: 17.7 (4-22)
Week 4 @ 100mg/week (single .5cc sub-q shot) Test + 500iu/week HCG, 3 grains Armour Thyroid, 4mg Medrol
(blood drawn on Thurs after a Monday injectionof T-cyp)
SHBG: 15 (5-49)
Total T: 633 (241-827)
Free T: 233 H (34-194)
Free & Weakly Bound T: 439 H (84-402)
Estradiol: 18 (13-54)
LH: <0.1 L (1.5-9.3)
DHT: 56 (25-75)
Progesterone: 0.9 (0.6-2.6)
Pregnenolone: 38 (10-200)
Free T3: 312 (230-420)
T3 Uptake: n/a (22-35)
DHEA-s: 73 L (110-370)
AM Cortisol: 13.8 (4-22)
Although many were envious of my numbers on Nolvadex only, I didn't feel very good. Zero libido, very weak in the gym, and very poor physical and mental stamina. This is why I got off of this protocol. I competitively race shifter karts (extremely physically demanding) and couldn't drive the thing for more than 5 minutes without being totally whipped. I had to withdraw from the last race I entered due to fatigue. ARGH. This protocol gave me numbers, but not results. Dr John has repeatedly stated similar findings (numbers, but not results) and I certainly found out for myself that he was correct. I will say that on this protocol, I did not experience brain fog or dizziness though despite being on it for a very long time.
Back on lower protocol, I noticed VASTLY improved libido (best in years), tremendous strength increases in the gym, and a huge improvement in physical stamina. However, I'm at week 12 now and in the last 2 weeks, those adrenal symptoms (dizziness, brain fog, eyes bothered by light) are starting to surface very heavily. I did not have these problems on the Nolva protocol. Why have my thyroid and adrenal numbers dropped on the new protocol? Is it due to the loss of DHEA? Despite the brain fog and dizziness coming back, my libido and performance still remain excellent, so I am reluctant to blame E2.
Sonny
Nolvadex @ 20mg day, 3grains Armour Thyroid, no Medrol (was on this combo for 7 months...these are the final labs from it)
Albumin: 4.8 (3.7-5.1)
SHBG: 16 (5-49)
Total T: 585 (241-827)
Free T: 179 (34-194)
Free and Weakly Bound T: 391 (84-402)
Estradiol aka E2: 16 (13-54)
LH: 6.8 (1.5-9.3)
DHT: 52 (25-75)
Progesterone: n/a (0.6-2.6)
Pregnenolone: 10 (10-200)
Free T3: 398 (230-420)
T3 Uptake: 40 H (22-35)
DHEA-s: 231 (110-370)
AM Cortisol: 17.7 (4-22)
Week 4 @ 100mg/week (single .5cc sub-q shot) Test + 500iu/week HCG, 3 grains Armour Thyroid, 4mg Medrol
(blood drawn on Thurs after a Monday injectionof T-cyp)
SHBG: 15 (5-49)
Total T: 633 (241-827)
Free T: 233 H (34-194)
Free & Weakly Bound T: 439 H (84-402)
Estradiol: 18 (13-54)
LH: <0.1 L (1.5-9.3)
DHT: 56 (25-75)
Progesterone: 0.9 (0.6-2.6)
Pregnenolone: 38 (10-200)
Free T3: 312 (230-420)
T3 Uptake: n/a (22-35)
DHEA-s: 73 L (110-370)
AM Cortisol: 13.8 (4-22)
Although many were envious of my numbers on Nolvadex only, I didn't feel very good. Zero libido, very weak in the gym, and very poor physical and mental stamina. This is why I got off of this protocol. I competitively race shifter karts (extremely physically demanding) and couldn't drive the thing for more than 5 minutes without being totally whipped. I had to withdraw from the last race I entered due to fatigue. ARGH. This protocol gave me numbers, but not results. Dr John has repeatedly stated similar findings (numbers, but not results) and I certainly found out for myself that he was correct. I will say that on this protocol, I did not experience brain fog or dizziness though despite being on it for a very long time.
Back on lower protocol, I noticed VASTLY improved libido (best in years), tremendous strength increases in the gym, and a huge improvement in physical stamina. However, I'm at week 12 now and in the last 2 weeks, those adrenal symptoms (dizziness, brain fog, eyes bothered by light) are starting to surface very heavily. I did not have these problems on the Nolva protocol. Why have my thyroid and adrenal numbers dropped on the new protocol? Is it due to the loss of DHEA? Despite the brain fog and dizziness coming back, my libido and performance still remain excellent, so I am reluctant to blame E2.
Sonny
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