Came off to try to regain fertility and start a fam.why did you come of TRT. by TRT do you mean a mini cylce? TRT is suppose to be for life when your body does not produce enough test on is own. So if you were low test before TRT, you will still be low test after TRT.
Try testbooster and natty anabolic, this is your best bet
125 to 150 a week ... and i mixed in low dose primo to try and enhance the feel good effectI try dermacrine a few year back at just 1 pump, and I did get a bit of a recomp and strenght gain from it, and libido was high also. I apply 1 pump on the shoulder and from that 1 pump. I took a bit of cream and apply it directly on the scrotum for more DHT conversion . Also it depend on what was you TRT does as a mention above if it was 250 a week this is more like a mini cycle and your result from any thing natural will be less than stellar compare to this.
ThanksSo I don't want to go against a Dr. Recommend plan but you don't need to come off trt to regain fertility in most cases.
Now that you did come off I personally would not use the things mentioned above because they effect natural testosterone and if that's your plan you could have just stayed on or go back on trt.
I would try some things that do not effect natural testosterone production, maybe take a different route.
I want to make it perfectly clear that I'm not a medical professional and this is for entertainment purposes only.
Lots of fertility protocols involved hcg and clomid, with some dosege tinkering you should be able to get your "Natural" levels fairly high. Then there are research peptides for gh "not for human consumption of course" maybe look into things like cjc with dac and mk677.
Theoretically those things may raise testosterone and GH to the high end of natural or slightly better
I'm also a little alarmed that they don't know about hcg, obviously fertility protocols are not there specialty and I personally would be looking for a better Dr. Nothing against the lady, but you need a specific type of Dr.Thanks
The doc wasnt very well versed in HCG (at all) but was a big believer in Clomid. She was nice but the fact we had to have a talk about how HCG works was a little alarming ...
I am getting new labs soon. But on TRT my Test was over 1000 and E was 15. I am pulling this from memory - after 45 days of Clomid at 25 a day the Test was 600 and E was doubled to 30. That was over a month ago. I think the clomid made me feel like Sht so i pulled it after that bloodwork. I mean i was grouchy and depressed. Very dark thoughts - not a good headspace for sure. Now i have very little libido ironically even tho the doc says my levels look much improved ... before i wasnt a sex machine but i at least had interest
Have you used CJC DAC & MK with success?
Crazy thing is shes a urologist and a fertility specialist at a very prestigious Hospital that is a part of an upper echelon university and medical school ... I have seen others on here kind of "defend" her position as HCG (from what i understand) helps jump start your boys but doesnt DIRECTLY affect fertility. While Clomid directly affects it. I think thats splitting hairs but what do I know. Anyway - I agree its kinda wild to have that convo with a reputable expert. But to be honest I lost confidence in the medical community years ago (and now with this farce of a CDC and FDA moving the goalposts on masks etc .... but i digress)I'm also a little alarmed that they don't know about hcg, obviously fertility protocols are not there specialty and I personally would be looking for a better Dr. Nothing against the lady, but you need a specific type of Dr.
A electrician and a carpenter are both contractors but you wouldn't want the carpenter rewiring your house, know what I'm saying.
As for the peptides, I'm trying to be better about not advising things that are not for human consumption for various reasons.
But I personally don't talk about things I haven't done my own research on, " or I will make it clear if I haven't specifically tried something" and I wouldn't have mentioned it if I didn't think it was a viable option for a situation like the one presented.
Look around for logs, I've seen blood work where cjc dac and mk677 have doubled a individuals igf 1 score.
Mk677 alone has had mine above what's considered normal. I don't think I ever did bloodwork on cjc dac. Mk also screws with blood glucose levels and can fuk up your insulin sensitivity so you should monitor that. A good protective measure is a gda, regular cardio and not going overboard with carbohydrates. With those things in place someone should be fine.
Don't just take 1 persons advice, look around and see what others think.
Just don't expect hgh results from peptides.
But one might expect peak natty type results.
To be perfectly honest with you. Steroids, peptides, prohormones, sarms, none of them make me "feel" anything fore the most part. I'm pretty level all the time in how I feel. I can go from my trt 150mg to 500 test and a oral like anadrol and I don't feel any different. I see difference between my strength and size over time, but I rarely ever feel anything and I take that as a positive.Crazy thing is shes a urologist and a fertility specialist at a very prestigious Hopsital that is a part of a upper echelon university and medical school ... I have heard other kind of "defend her" position as HCG (from what i understand) helps jump start your boys but doesnt DIRECTLY affect fertility. While Clomid directly affects it. I think thats splitting hairs but what do I know. Anyway - I agree its kinda wild to have that convo with a reputable expert. But to be honest I lost confidence in the medical community years ago (and now with this farce of a CDC and FDA moving the goalposts on masks etc .... but i digress)
I tried peptides a few years before getting on TRT and i didnt notice a difference but that was a while back and i cant recall which i used (or even if i used it correctly). I did try some generic GH once and a round of GH Secretagogues (spelling?) and ironically the latter had the biggest impact on how i slept and how i felt.
How did the Peptide and MK make you feel?
I agree with them being behind or outdated but to not know about hcg and be fertility specialist???. Even if the Dr. Is against hcg in a fertility protocol, they should at least understand it and know that it's used sometimes, wouldn't you think?it's not uncommon for Drs not to understand the things we feel should be common knowledge. remember that until about 5 (maybe 10 ) yrs. ago there wasn't TRT on every corner. Drs are taught to be anti-steroid and thus don't put a lot of effort into learning things related to them. Most of the so-called Drs are still wet behind the ears when it comes to TRT and such.
I recommend you follow Dave Palumbo's cocktail for getting your family going.
Unfortunately 19nors hate my titties, or love them, depending on how you look at it. Back when trest was being pumped out by Olympus I had great luck combining the oral and TD. Then about 2 years ago, I ran out of testosterone because I broke the bottle and used trest 7alpha ace transdermal for about 3 weeks well I was waiting for more test and I had some minor sensitivity issues. Then I picked up some dienolone and as soon as I hit 300mg=prolactin gyno. I been battling it ever since.trest makes me feel like a 17 yr old sexual deviant. just sayin.
This is the answer. I’m 43 and run cycles and am not on trt. I stay lean year round. It’s all diet. You may not be able to stay as big as you where or as full but you can stay lean for sure.Above all, get motivated! I've seen older men with low testosterone get in fantastic shape naturally. Consistency with diet and exercise is key, and when you can't use powerful pharmaceuticals diet and consistency are even more important
appreciate the infoAside from the basics ie. sound diet and training program, gh secretagogues and cortisol reducers.
Mk677, cjc, ashwagandha, reduce xt, invictus...
I didnt use invictus but i used reduce xt in pct. First pct where i didnt gain fat, also used mk677 alongside but that pct was far better with reduce xt included.appreciate the info
have you ever used anamorelin?
how have you used the reduce xt and invicutus in the past? You use them in conjunction with each other?
I did, I’m in end of it now, I’m usually very suspicious on OTC stuff but I really think this made me stay leaner during the holidays than I usually do. I think I use it next time I cruise also.Have you tried it yourself yet? I'm going to start bathing in that stuff again soon = )
Sorry - just seeing your question@LaserGoPewPew
How long have you been on this protocol, and where does it have your test levels, count and mobility.
If I'm overstepping boundaries just say so.
I don't really have a specific reason for asking you I'm just curious how well it's working
I don't think gh would be super benificial for the task at hand. I think you need to figure out how to get the test and free test higher. Maybe let the HCG play out first, have some exemastane on hand Incase you need a little estrogen control and reevaluate. Sorry not my specialty here. I know the basics of this stuff but definitely not enough to troubleshoot the problems. Maybe @WesleyInman can help. He knows a lot more then most of us on medical related stuff to this topic.Sorry - just seeing your question
My level was 0 when i had sperm analyzed. My FSH and LH are back up to normal levels so i am hoping the count is up too
I am 5 months removed from TRT. I have another thread about my fertility efforts that list out my blood levels.
My test is within range but low. My free test is very low.
I am thinking about starting up HCG. I am not going to use the clomid again.
Slightly off topic but should I look into a growth hormone add on .. would that help with energy and getting back in the swing of things
Honestly, if it were me....Supplement by apex alchemy, I have no ties to them at all but there a solid company and a board sponsor. @Renew1 and @xR1pp3Rx can tell you more about there stuff
That's very interesting. Would you think the hormonal effects of dhea are dose dependent? I've thought that taking (enough) dhea would increase E2. But never digged in to the subject, just some bro stuff I've read/heard.Honestly, if it were me....
(Besides any Prescription protocols), I believe I'd try Hyperion. From the feedback, and @nostrum420 's comments ... I believe it might help.
"There was no change in sperm concentration, motility, or morphology. We conclude that the administration of DHEA to healthy men results in an increase in DHEA, DHEAS, 3AG and LH levels, with no change in T, E2 or semen parameters." - From a Fertility website
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I am exactly the same. 150 to 600 test = zero difference in how I feel. The single exception is Tren. After about a month of it I start to feel a bit fried, but it also makes me super-pumped, strong and very focused.To be perfectly honest with you. Steroids, peptides, prohormones, sarms, none of them make me "feel" anything fore the most part. I'm pretty level all the time in how I feel. I can go from my trt 150mg to 500 test and a oral like anadrol and I don't feel any different.
Things make me feel stronger or more focused in the gym, but generally speaking, if I was on 150mg and my stuff was unknowingly switched to anything, let's say 500 test and 500 eq. I wouldn't know it. I'd probably start to break out on my shoulders and have better workouts. But outside the gym and some increase in shoulder acne that's about all that would change.I am exactly the same. 150 to 600 test = zero difference in how I feel. The single exception is Tren. After about a month of it I start to feel a bit fried, but it also makes me super-pumped, strong and very focused.
I didn't know that. I have a bunch of rad140 powder, but have yet to use it. lgd made me stronger, at least I thought it was the lgd, but I was also on 400 Test so idk.Funny enough there is 1 exception. The oral version of the sarm rad140. I didn't notice any performance enhancing benefits. But at 15-20mg I mentally just felt good all the time. A heightened sense of well-being. The way I would think testosterone should be making me feel. It's weird.
Out of all the sarms I think lgd seems to be the one ppl get the most out of. I used the injectable version up to 30mg a day I believe. Zero side effects and solid results. I'm probably gonna throw that in the mix later this year again but at 40-50 this time. I find it acts very different then it's oral counterpart.I didn't know that. I have a bunch of rad140 powder, but have yet to use it. lgd made me stronger, at least I thought it was the lgd, but I was also on 400 Test so idk.
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