Best Way to ReComp After TRT?

[LaserGoPewPew]

Curious to what others have done to get back into shape (or maintain fitness level) after feeling the deflation of coming off TRT...

Any insight welcome

 

[alvin1]

why did you come of TRT. by TRT do you mean a mini cylce? TRT is suppose to be for life when your body does not produce enough test on is own. So if you were low test before TRT, you will still be low test after TRT.
Try testbooster and natty anabolic, this is your best bet

 

[LaserGoPewPew]

why did you come of TRT. by TRT do you mean a mini cylce? TRT is suppose to be for life when your body does not produce enough test on is own. So if you were low test before TRT, you will still be low test after TRT.
Try testbooster and natty anabolic, this is your best bet

Came off to try to regain fertility and start a fam.

I will likely look into getting back on or at least using something in the future to give me a boost at the gym and to create a mood boost ... but for now I need to stop.

I am about 120 days removed from TRT. Feeling weak and that is discouraging. Also I have a little flab and thats a first for me. So ... i need to figure out a way to maintain the family efforts and get my mojo back in the gym. Looking for any and all ideas

 

[alvin1]

Your best bet is to try the above but you will loose a step or two compafe to TRT there is no way around it. Physique and performance in the gym will be different then when you are on TRT. You can try these and be more strick with your diet to try to offset the lost of testosterone.

 

[alvin1]

Maybe a low dose of epiandro or demarcrine would also help you wihout diminishing your fertility

 

[LaserGoPewPew]

Maybe a low dose of epiandro or demarcrine would also help you wihout diminishing your fertility

you think dermacrine will help?

 

[alvin1]

I try dermacrine a few year back at just 1 pump, and I did get a bit of a recomp and strenght gain from it, and libido was high also. I apply 1 pump on the shoulder and from that 1 pump. I took a bit of cream and apply it directly on the scrotum for more DHT conversion . Also it depend on what was you TRT does as a mention above if it was 250 a week this is more like a mini cycle and your result from any thing natural will be less than stellar compare to this.

 

[LaserGoPewPew]

I try dermacrine a few year back at just 1 pump, and I did get a bit of a recomp and strenght gain from it, and libido was high also. I apply 1 pump on the shoulder and from that 1 pump. I took a bit of cream and apply it directly on the scrotum for more DHT conversion . Also it depend on what was you TRT does as a mention above if it was 250 a week this is more like a mini cycle and your result from any thing natural will be less than stellar compare to this.

125 to 150 a week ... and i mixed in low dose primo to try and enhance the feel good effect

 

[Smont]

So I don't want to go against a Dr. Recommend plan but you don't need to come off trt to regain fertility in most cases.

Now that you did come off I personally would not use the things mentioned above because they effect natural testosterone and if that's your plan you could have just stayed on or go back on trt.

I would try some things that do not effect natural testosterone production, maybe take a different route.

I want to make it perfectly clear that I'm not a medical professional and this is for entertainment purposes only.

Lots of fertility protocols involved hcg and clomid, with some dosege tinkering you should be able to get your "Natural" levels fairly high. Then there are research peptides for gh "not for human consumption of course" maybe look into things like cjc with dac and mk677.

Theoretically those things may raise testosterone and GH to the high end of natural or slightly better

 

[LaserGoPewPew]

So I don't want to go against a Dr. Recommend plan but you don't need to come off trt to regain fertility in most cases.

Now that you did come off I personally would not use the things mentioned above because they effect natural testosterone and if that's your plan you could have just stayed on or go back on trt.

I would try some things that do not effect natural testosterone production, maybe take a different route.

I want to make it perfectly clear that I'm not a medical professional and this is for entertainment purposes only.

Lots of fertility protocols involved hcg and clomid, with some dosege tinkering you should be able to get your "Natural" levels fairly high. Then there are research peptides for gh "not for human consumption of course" maybe look into things like cjc with dac and mk677.

Theoretically those things may raise testosterone and GH to the high end of natural or slightly better

Thanks

The doc wasnt very well versed in HCG (at all) but was a big believer in Clomid. She was nice but the fact we had to have a talk about how HCG works was a little alarming ...

I am getting new labs soon. But on TRT my Test was over 1000 and E was 15. I am pulling this from memory - after 45 days of Clomid at 25 a day the Test was 600 and E was doubled to 30. That was over a month ago. I think the clomid made me feel like Sht so i pulled it after that bloodwork. I mean i was grouchy and depressed. Very dark thoughts - not a good headspace for sure. Now i have very little libido ironically even tho the doc says my levels look much improved ... before i wasnt a sex machine but i at least had interest

Have you used CJC DAC & MK with success?

 

[Smont]

Thanks

The doc wasnt very well versed in HCG (at all) but was a big believer in Clomid. She was nice but the fact we had to have a talk about how HCG works was a little alarming ...

I am getting new labs soon. But on TRT my Test was over 1000 and E was 15. I am pulling this from memory - after 45 days of Clomid at 25 a day the Test was 600 and E was doubled to 30. That was over a month ago. I think the clomid made me feel like Sht so i pulled it after that bloodwork. I mean i was grouchy and depressed. Very dark thoughts - not a good headspace for sure. Now i have very little libido ironically even tho the doc says my levels look much improved ... before i wasnt a sex machine but i at least had interest

Have you used CJC DAC & MK with success?

I'm also a little alarmed that they don't know about hcg, obviously fertility protocols are not there specialty and I personally would be looking for a better Dr. Nothing against the lady, but you need a specific type of Dr.

A electrician and a carpenter are both contractors but you wouldn't want the carpenter rewiring your house, know what I'm saying.

As for the peptides, I'm trying to be better about not advising things that are not for human consumption for various reasons.

But I personally don't talk about things I haven't done my own research on, " or I will make it clear if I haven't specifically tried something" and I wouldn't have mentioned it if I didn't think it was a viable option for a situation like the one presented.

Look around for logs, I've seen blood work where cjc dac and mk677 have doubled a individuals igf 1 score.

Mk677 alone has had mine above what's considered normal. I don't think I ever did bloodwork on cjc dac. Mk also screws with blood glucose levels and can fuk up your insulin sensitivity so you should monitor that. A good protective measure is a gda, regular cardio and not going overboard with carbohydrates. With those things in place someone should be fine.

Don't just take 1 persons advice, look around and see what others think.

Just don't expect hgh results from peptides.

But one might expect peak natty type results.

 

[Smont]

Above all, get motivated! I've seen older men with low testosterone get in fantastic shape naturally. Consistency with diet and exercise is key, and when you can't use powerful pharmaceuticals diet and consistency are even more important

 

[LaserGoPewPew]

I'm also a little alarmed that they don't know about hcg, obviously fertility protocols are not there specialty and I personally would be looking for a better Dr. Nothing against the lady, but you need a specific type of Dr.

A electrician and a carpenter are both contractors but you wouldn't want the carpenter rewiring your house, know what I'm saying.

As for the peptides, I'm trying to be better about not advising things that are not for human consumption for various reasons.

But I personally don't talk about things I haven't done my own research on, " or I will make it clear if I haven't specifically tried something" and I wouldn't have mentioned it if I didn't think it was a viable option for a situation like the one presented.

Look around for logs, I've seen blood work where cjc dac and mk677 have doubled a individuals igf 1 score.

Mk677 alone has had mine above what's considered normal. I don't think I ever did bloodwork on cjc dac. Mk also screws with blood glucose levels and can fuk up your insulin sensitivity so you should monitor that. A good protective measure is a gda, regular cardio and not going overboard with carbohydrates. With those things in place someone should be fine.

Don't just take 1 persons advice, look around and see what others think.

Just don't expect hgh results from peptides.

But one might expect peak natty type results.

Crazy thing is shes a urologist and a fertility specialist at a very prestigious Hospital that is a part of an upper echelon university and medical school ... I have seen others on here kind of "defend" her position as HCG (from what i understand) helps jump start your boys but doesnt DIRECTLY affect fertility. While Clomid directly affects it. I think thats splitting hairs but what do I know. Anyway - I agree its kinda wild to have that convo with a reputable expert. But to be honest I lost confidence in the medical community years ago (and now with this farce of a CDC and FDA moving the goalposts on masks etc .... but i digress)

I tried peptides a few years before getting on TRT and i didnt notice a difference but that was a while back and i cant recall which i used (or even if i used it correctly). I did try some generic GH once and a round of GH Secretagogues (spelling?) and ironically the latter had the biggest impact on how i slept and how i felt.

How did the Peptide and MK make you feel?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

it's not uncommon for Drs not to understand the things we feel should be common knowledge. remember that until about 5 (maybe 10 ) yrs. ago there wasn't TRT on every corner. Drs are taught to be anti-steroid and thus don't put a lot of effort into learning things related to them. Most of the so-called Drs are still wet behind the ears when it comes to TRT and such.

I recommend you follow Dave Palumbo's cocktail for getting your family going.

 

[Smont]

Crazy thing is shes a urologist and a fertility specialist at a very prestigious Hopsital that is a part of a upper echelon university and medical school ... I have heard other kind of "defend her" position as HCG (from what i understand) helps jump start your boys but doesnt DIRECTLY affect fertility. While Clomid directly affects it. I think thats splitting hairs but what do I know. Anyway - I agree its kinda wild to have that convo with a reputable expert. But to be honest I lost confidence in the medical community years ago (and now with this farce of a CDC and FDA moving the goalposts on masks etc .... but i digress)

I tried peptides a few years before getting on TRT and i didnt notice a difference but that was a while back and i cant recall which i used (or even if i used it correctly). I did try some generic GH once and a round of GH Secretagogues (spelling?) and ironically the latter had the biggest impact on how i slept and how i felt.

How did the Peptide and MK make you feel?

To be perfectly honest with you. Steroids, peptides, prohormones, sarms, none of them make me "feel" anything fore the most part. I'm pretty level all the time in how I feel. I can go from my trt 150mg to 500 test and a oral like anadrol and I don't feel any different. I see difference between my strength and size over time, but I rarely ever feel anything and I take that as a positive.

 

[Smont]

it's not uncommon for Drs not to understand the things we feel should be common knowledge. remember that until about 5 (maybe 10 ) yrs. ago there wasn't TRT on every corner. Drs are taught to be anti-steroid and thus don't put a lot of effort into learning things related to them. Most of the so-called Drs are still wet behind the ears when it comes to TRT and such.

I recommend you follow Dave Palumbo's cocktail for getting your family going.

I agree with them being behind or outdated but to not know about hcg and be fertility specialist???. Even if the Dr. Is against hcg in a fertility protocol, they should at least understand it and know that it's used sometimes, wouldn't you think?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I don't feel any different.

trest makes me feel like a 17 yr old sexual deviant. just sayin.

 

[Smont]

Mk does make me feel hungry, but only if I use it infrequently. If I use it too many days in a row the hunger boost goes away.

 

[Smont]

trest makes me feel like a 17 yr old sexual deviant. just sayin.

Unfortunately 19nors hate my titties, or love them, depending on how you look at it. Back when trest was being pumped out by Olympus I had great luck combining the oral and TD. Then about 2 years ago, I ran out of testosterone because I broke the bottle and used trest 7alpha ace transdermal for about 3 weeks well I was waiting for more test and I had some minor sensitivity issues. Then I picked up some dienolone and as soon as I hit 300mg=prolactin gyno. I been battling it ever since.

Outside of low doses npp, the only way I can use 19nors is sporadically. Like a little synergen pre workout only, and 50-100mg dienolone acetate per week mixed in with my test. And even then I need to have a bottle of raloxefine on hand.

 

[Smont]

@LaserGoPewPew

How long have you been on this protocol, and where does it have your test levels, count and mobility.

If I'm overstepping boundaries just say so.

I don't really have a specific reason for asking you I'm just curious how well it's working

 

[Jstrong20]

Above all, get motivated! I've seen older men with low testosterone get in fantastic shape naturally. Consistency with diet and exercise is key, and when you can't use powerful pharmaceuticals diet and consistency are even more important

This is the answer. I’m 43 and run cycles and am not on trt. I stay lean year round. It’s all diet. You may not be able to stay as big as you where or as full but you can stay lean for sure.

 

[Kronic]

that's weird she doesn't know about HCG because its also used in female fertility. HCG is found in pregnant women pee so it's basically Natty

 

[CroLifter]

Aside from the basics ie. sound diet and training program, gh secretagogues and cortisol reducers.

Mk677, cjc, ashwagandha, reduce xt, invictus...

 

[cheftepesh1]

Aside from the basics ie. sound diet and training program, gh secretagogues and cortisol reducers.

Mk677, cjc, ashwagandha, reduce xt, invictus...

These are good choices. Maybe add in a thermo product to reduce any weight gain.

 

[LaserGoPewPew]

Aside from the basics ie. sound diet and training program, gh secretagogues and cortisol reducers.

Mk677, cjc, ashwagandha, reduce xt, invictus...

appreciate the info

have you ever used anamorelin?

how have you used the reduce xt and invicutus in the past? You use them in conjunction with each other?

 

[CroLifter]

appreciate the info

have you ever used anamorelin?

how have you used the reduce xt and invicutus in the past? You use them in conjunction with each other?

I didnt use invictus but i used reduce xt in pct. First pct where i didnt gain fat, also used mk677 alongside but that pct was far better with reduce xt included.

You will still lose muscle its inevitable, get flatter and less aesthetic, but at least my gut didnt grow like with previous pct's.

So for me anti cortisol supps are a must in pct. Mk also helps tremendously.

 

[BBiceps]

Have you looked into Ursa Major?

 

[KvanH]

Have you looked into Ursa Major?

Have you tried it yourself yet? I'm going to start bathing in that stuff again soon = )

 

[BBiceps]

Have you tried it yourself yet? I'm going to start bathing in that stuff again soon = )

I did, I’m in end of it now, I’m usually very suspicious on OTC stuff but I really think this made me stay leaner during the holidays than I usually do. I think I use it next time I cruise also.

 

[LaserGoPewPew]

Have you looked into Ursa Major?

Whats that?

 

[LaserGoPewPew]

@LaserGoPewPew

How long have you been on this protocol, and where does it have your test levels, count and mobility.

If I'm overstepping boundaries just say so.

I don't really have a specific reason for asking you I'm just curious how well it's working

Sorry - just seeing your question

My level was 0 when i had sperm analyzed. My FSH and LH are back up to normal levels so i am hoping the count is up too

I am 5 months removed from TRT. I have another thread about my fertility efforts that list out my blood levels.

My test is within range but low. My free test is very low.

I am thinking about starting up HCG. I am not going to use the clomid again.

Slightly off topic but should I look into a growth hormone add on .. would that help with energy and getting back in the swing of things

 

[Smont]

Whats that?

Supplement by apex alchemy, I have no ties to them at all but there a solid company and a board sponsor. @Renew1 and @xR1pp3Rx can tell you more about there stuff

 

[Smont]

Sorry - just seeing your question

My level was 0 when i had sperm analyzed. My FSH and LH are back up to normal levels so i am hoping the count is up too

I am 5 months removed from TRT. I have another thread about my fertility efforts that list out my blood levels.

My test is within range but low. My free test is very low.

I am thinking about starting up HCG. I am not going to use the clomid again.

Slightly off topic but should I look into a growth hormone add on .. would that help with energy and getting back in the swing of things

I don't think gh would be super benificial for the task at hand. I think you need to figure out how to get the test and free test higher. Maybe let the HCG play out first, have some exemastane on hand Incase you need a little estrogen control and reevaluate. Sorry not my specialty here. I know the basics of this stuff but definitely not enough to troubleshoot the problems. Maybe @WesleyInman can help. He knows a lot more then most of us on medical related stuff to this topic.

 

[Renew1]

Supplement by apex alchemy, I have no ties to them at all but there a solid company and a board sponsor. @Renew1 and @xR1pp3Rx can tell you more about there stuff

Honestly, if it were me....
(Besides any Prescription protocols), I believe I'd try Hyperion. From the feedback, and @nostrum420 's comments ... I believe it might help.

"There was no change in sperm concentration, motility, or morphology. We conclude that the administration of DHEA to healthy men results in an increase in DHEA, DHEAS, 3AG and LH levels, with no change in T, E2 or semen parameters." - From a Fertility website

Hyperion

Apex Alchemy is proud to introduce our DHEA Antioxidant blend, Hyperion! Hyperion is Apex Alchemy's first anti-aging, testosterone enhancing, multi-ingredient gel. Let’s break down some of the ingredients: 3, 4- Divanillyltetrahydrofuran is a natural extract of stinging nettle roots which has...

www.apex-alchemy.com

 

[KvanH]

Honestly, if it were me....
(Besides any Prescription protocols), I believe I'd try Hyperion. From the feedback, and @nostrum420 's comments ... I believe it might help.

"There was no change in sperm concentration, motility, or morphology. We conclude that the administration of DHEA to healthy men results in an increase in DHEA, DHEAS, 3AG and LH levels, with no change in T, E2 or semen parameters." - From a Fertility website

Hyperion

Apex Alchemy is proud to introduce our DHEA Antioxidant blend, Hyperion! Hyperion is Apex Alchemy's first anti-aging, testosterone enhancing, multi-ingredient gel. Let’s break down some of the ingredients: 3, 4- Divanillyltetrahydrofuran is a natural extract of stinging nettle roots which has...

www.apex-alchemy.com

That's very interesting. Would you think the hormonal effects of dhea are dose dependent? I've thought that taking (enough) dhea would increase E2. But never digged in to the subject, just some bro stuff I've read/heard.

 

[Romac]

To be perfectly honest with you. Steroids, peptides, prohormones, sarms, none of them make me "feel" anything fore the most part. I'm pretty level all the time in how I feel. I can go from my trt 150mg to 500 test and a oral like anadrol and I don't feel any different.

I am exactly the same. 150 to 600 test = zero difference in how I feel. The single exception is Tren. After about a month of it I start to feel a bit fried, but it also makes me super-pumped, strong and very focused.

 

[Romac]

I am on trt, and use Hcg as a regular part of my protocol. I use 250iu twice per week. Decent sized loads full of sperm. There is a study if you search a bit. They tested different doses of Hcg, and measured sperm volume, and testicular function. Might be good to forward at least the results of this study to your doc. If I remember correctly, 500iu eod maintained 100% testicular function and sperm production. 750iu eod actually INCREASED both by 25% - so it was increased to 125% of normal. I believe the study was done on people who had natural testosterone production shut down. The implication is that with enough hcg you can actually have more sperm and testicular function than you did pre-trt WITHOUT DISCONTINUING TRT. Why docs are unfamiliar with this I have no idea.

 

[Smont]

I am exactly the same. 150 to 600 test = zero difference in how I feel. The single exception is Tren. After about a month of it I start to feel a bit fried, but it also makes me super-pumped, strong and very focused.

Things make me feel stronger or more focused in the gym, but generally speaking, if I was on 150mg and my stuff was unknowingly switched to anything, let's say 500 test and 500 eq. I wouldn't know it. I'd probably start to break out on my shoulders and have better workouts. But outside the gym and some increase in shoulder acne that's about all that would change.

Funny enough there is 1 exception. The oral version of the sarm rad140. I didn't notice any performance enhancing benefits. But at 15-20mg I mentally just felt good all the time. A heightened sense of well-being. The way I would think testosterone should be making me feel. It's weird.

I've thought about adding it for periods of time just for the good feeling it gives.

 

[Romac]

Funny enough there is 1 exception. The oral version of the sarm rad140. I didn't notice any performance enhancing benefits. But at 15-20mg I mentally just felt good all the time. A heightened sense of well-being. The way I would think testosterone should be making me feel. It's weird.

I didn't know that. I have a bunch of rad140 powder, but have yet to use it. lgd made me stronger, at least I thought it was the lgd, but I was also on 400 Test so idk.

 

[Smont]

I didn't know that. I have a bunch of rad140 powder, but have yet to use it. lgd made me stronger, at least I thought it was the lgd, but I was also on 400 Test so idk.

Out of all the sarms I think lgd seems to be the one ppl get the most out of. I used the injectable version up to 30mg a day I believe. Zero side effects and solid results. I'm probably gonna throw that in the mix later this year again but at 40-50 this time. I find it acts very different then it's oral counterpart.