Appt Romeo B. Mariano

[engival]

A friend of mine recently visited Romeo B. Mariano, M.D.


my friend has bad fatigue and ED

His testosterone was 398, Dr. M said that should be enough Testosterone give erections and energy, and thats not his problem, but his problem his adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism

Dr. M has him on this..

1. Synthorid
2. Hydrocotisone
3. Vitamin A
4. Vitamin B complex
5. DHEA
6. Iodoral
7. vitamin b 12 sublingual

He didn't think armor was the way to go for him. He was like it will create a t3 /t4 imblanace in your body . Dr M has him on T4 only med.

 

[oaktownboy]

i am seeing dr.mariano next week...i hope he can clear up my symptoms

 

[Jayhawkk]

Maybe because Armour has t-4 in it as well?

 

[T800]

I have nothing but good things to say about Dr Mariano. My progress with him has been better than all doctors combined for the last 5+ years.

If your friend has adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism, his Testosterone will come up when those 2 conditions are corrected.

Sonny

 

[coz]

I also travelled to see Dr Mariano recently. He's a great Dr - who is really knowledgable on all the interactions of the hormonal and neurological systems.

I was also diagnised with hypothyroidism & hypoadrenia - yet my treatment is different from your friend. It really highlights the reason why many Dr's don't wish to publicise individual treatments for patients - as even with same broad diagnosis - individuals may require different treatment based on their lab values, symptoms, and interactions between the bodies different hormone/neurotrasmitter systems. What can be the perfect combination for one, may be detrimental to another.

I really would recommend anyone with problems to try seeing a good dr if possible (Dr Mariano, Dr John etc), rather than self treating - as it is extremely complex.

Armour contains both T3 & T4 (4.22 parts of T4 to one part of T3), so if your friend is on T4 only - then one may assume his T3 levels were optimal, but his T4 weren't.

 

[smc252]

He didn't think armor was the way to go for him. He was like it will create a t3 /t4 imblanace in your body . Dr M has him on T4 only med.

Right now I am on levothyroxine, T4, and have been since 5/30/07. It also takes 4-6 weeks for T4 to convert to T3, so results are not immediate.

Armour usually works much faster for people. I'd check IGF-1, as it interacts with T4 in the liver. I believe that if levels of IGF-1 are too low, the conversion to T3 is lowered/slowed and vice versa. I wonder if this is another reason why armour seems to work better, not to mention it replaces ALL the thyroid hormones at once. It's literally a chemical thyroid! Anyone have insight about the IGF-1 connection?

I also read the T4 alone may work better for guys that have pituitary issues, but I am not sure if this is completely true. It does make some sense, but at the same time I am not sure it does. LOL! The quick results of T3 make we want it, it sucks being sick even on meds after 2wks! It's worth looking into though.

Good luck!

 

[KSman]

Speaking of talking about Doctor's....

Anyone asking their Doctor's for permission to post their name on the internet? Seems to me that this is like a personal relationship and trust. Some could take this type of thing the wrong way.

 

[T800]

Dr Mariano was an active user on meso-rx for a long time. I haven't seen him post there recently, but his information is well known.

Sonny

 

[MacDonnell]

A friend of mine recently visited Romeo B. Mariano, M.D.


my friend has bad fatigue and ED

His testosterone was 398, Dr. M said that should be enough Testosterone give erections and energy, and thats not his problem, but his problem his adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism

Dr. M has him on this..

1. Synthorid
2. Hydrocotisone
3. Vitamin A
4. Vitamin B complex
5. DHEA
6. Iodoral
7. vitamin b 12 sublingual

He didn't think armor was the way to go for him. He was like it will create a t3 /t4 imblanace in your body . Dr M has him on T4 only med.

It is a surprise to hear that Dr. M felt that his T was okay at 398. I believe I have seen past posts of his which indicate a belief that T should be at least 650 for most men in order to function ideally. Perhaps he has changed his thinking on this?

 

[engival]

unless hes hoping T levels will come up with adrenal / thyroid support.

but my doc says t levels need to be at least 600+ for optimal function.

 

[T800]

Dr Mariano's approach (as far as I know) is to optimize adrenal/thyroid function first. Then you fix T (if needed). My T levels came up about 150 pts after addressing adrenal and thyroid issues.

Mac: How you been doing?

Sonny

 

[MacDonnell]

Dr Mariano's approach (as far as I know) is to optimize adrenal/thyroid function first. Then you fix T (if needed). My T levels came up about 150 pts after addressing adrenal and thyroid issues.

Mac: How you been doing?

Sonny

Hey Sonny,

You changed your user name! I'm still stumbling and bumbling along. Dr. John has come to the conclusion that I'm not absorbing T gel, so he's starting me on T cyp. shots (100 mg. once/week). I do that for six weeks and then get another 24-hour urine test done. Guess we're getting closer to a solution. PM me if you need more detail or have any questions.

Mac

Mac

 

[T800]

Mac: Your PM inbox is full. Shoot me a PM once you clear it out.

Sonny

 

[aculpep]

But what was your FreeT? TotalT doesn't mean much if your FT is low. I have decent TT of 765 but my FT is very low. I have still not found anyone who can answer whether I need TRT or not based on my TT. That is the dillema i'm in now but not sure whether bringing my TT up to 1100 will fix my problems.

Dr Mariano's approach (as far as I know) is to optimize adrenal/thyroid function first. Then you fix T (if needed). My T levels came up about 150 pts after addressing adrenal and thyroid issues.

Mac: How you been doing?

Sonny

 

[T800]

My Free T was a little higher than the high end of the range:

Free T: 233 (34-194)

You can see all of my results here:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/68250-back-dr-johns.html

Sonny

 

[aculpep]

Ah wrong quote, meant this for engival. I was curious what his FreeT was since Dr. M said his TT wasn't a problem.

I'm curious at your results though, FreeT being so high yet TT only 633. I would be very happy if my FreeT would come up that high since my TT is 765. I'm starting to wonder if the test is accurate.

My Free T was a little higher than the high end of the range:

Free T: 233 (34-194)

You can see all of my results here:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/68250-back-dr-johns.html

Sonny

 

[pmgamer18]

It is a surprise to hear that Dr. M felt that his T was okay at 398. I believe I have seen past posts of his which indicate a belief that T should be at least 650 for most men in order to function ideally. Perhaps he has changed his thinking on this?

If the good Dr. feels the cause of the low T can be his Thyroid and Adrenal Fatigue then treating them will bring his T levels back up. We can't be so dam fast at the gun to just jump on TRT without looking at the big picture first and then retesting.

 

[phatkid77]

well, i jumped on the TRT, i need something to get me to my specialist in october... i was not about to push my luck with my doctor RE: adrenal fatigue, estrogen...lol

phats

 

[pmgamer18]

well, i jumped on the TRT, i need something to get me to my specialist in october... i was not about to push my luck with my doctor RE: adrenal fatigue, estrogen...lol

phats

I hope all your testing was done first because it's dam hard to find out if your Primary or Secondary after you start on TRT. Your levels may not be the same if you stop TRT to retest. So how do you know why your low.