Apex Alchemy LITHOS

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I just received my free bottle from nostrum420 to test and log.

I have logged one other Apex Alchemy product, Epoch, in the past.

I understand this is supposed to be some kind of Natural anabolic, so I hope that being a product of Nos’s it is quite potent in comparison to other natural products. HOWEVER I’m not expecting much more than a bit of extra pump.

I will be suspending most of my supplementation during this log, opting instead for extra protein and a chance to see what just this one product completely alone can do.

No preworkout, no pump powders, no dhea, just a generic once daily multivitamin and dymatize whey isolate.

I opt for full body routines five nights a week, one night of cardio and one night of forearm isolation.

I’m in the middle of recomposition, so calories are at maintenance, protein is high, fat is median, carbohydrates as needed.
 
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Nice! Excited to see how this pans out for people!
 
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First thing of note is the sprayer is different from the Epoch I tried, and the product is an opaque tan/brownish color not unlike a makeup foundation.

When I opened the package, the product was frozen solid. Not unexpected, yesterday the whole city shut down as it was -77F
 
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Smell is not nearly as good as the Epoch I tested but it is much less sticky. No spray this time I guess, it’s a cosmetic pump.

Smell is something like a bottle of vitamins crossed with vap-o-rub and steel wool. Epoch had smelled like pure candy canes.

Does leave a bit of a film behind, but not sticky, just like using a bit too much lotion.
 
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So far will plan to be using 10 pumps 2x daily.
 
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Sweet. I'll follow along!
 
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Training going very well since getting the product, no PRs or anything crazy but I am getting some pretty good pumps and hardness happening so far. My forearms tonight were feeling like rocks after some seated cable rows.
 
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Again tonight getting forearm pumps I don’t normally get. Clean and Press were just doing amazing things for my forearms. And Pendlay rows. Was starting to break my grip actually. I don’t use straps and I never really had any issues with grip in the past. Always just meathook onto the bar and give it hell.

Still at 10 pumps twice a day. Smells like robitussen at this point. The little pump nozzle sticks every time I press it, so that’s a pain. I liked the Epoch spray at least for its consistency of application. Seems like the little pump just isn’t as good.

Also realizing that my recovery is amazing right now. I’m doing a routine some might consider grueling, others might consider foolhardy.
 
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A solid rest after last night’s training session. No elbow pain or doms after Skull Crushers and straight barbell curls. Usually the day after either of those I’m pretty sore, I have them set up back-to-back and have been doing them that way for weeks. Been especially sore the day after up til now.
 
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minnisota or sum sh!7
 
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Curious if you had any further thoughts on the whole spray vs gel topic?

I'll be playing in my laboratory this weekend and I was thinking about trying to make a new carrier for spray type products. Maybe even a spray gel.
 
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Curious if you had any further thoughts on the whole spray vs gel topic?

I'll be playing in my laboratory this weekend and I was thinking about trying to make a new carrier for spray type products. Maybe even a spray gel.
That would be Great!
 
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Curious if you had any further thoughts on the whole spray vs gel topic?

I'll be playing in my laboratory this weekend and I was thinking about trying to make a new carrier for spray type products. Maybe even a spray gel.
I definitely liked the spray better, much easier to apply, smelled 1000x better, but it was really really sticky for sure. This pump for the liquid has to be manually reset between each pump and it makes the whole thing a pain hahaha. And whoa, that smell, it’s seriously like robitussin. Maybe that can’t be helped because of the active ingredients, if that’s the case, I’m fine with that. But a spray would be ideal in my mind.


Update on the effects, I’m noticing now for sure that I’m not totally burnt by the time I finish my training sessions, where my training partner still is. And he’s ten years younger than I am. Seems like a winner of a formula so far.
 
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And I still stand by my suggestion that lotus would be an ideal addition to help give these a more palatable cologne-like scent. Amber or musk as well.

I’ve been making my own toilet-water since I was an early teen. Nobody alive smells more manly than I do. Hah!
 
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And I still stand by my suggestion that lotus would be an ideal addition to help give these a more palatable cologne-like scent. Amber or musk as well.

I’ve been making my own toilet-water since I was an early teen. Nobody alive smells more manly than I do. Hah!
My toilet water fills up automatically...
 
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Ok, so... after training last night I actually noticed that my uneven areas are starting to even-out. Deltoids and traps becoming more symmetrical. Left arm overall catching up. However I know it’s going to be awhile until I can get my pecs to look the same size and shape, since I am missing my lower left pectoral head entirely, I do believe that it can be done because I have already done it before the first time around.
 
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So far, this is the best natural anabolic I’ve tried yet, and I’ve tried a whole slough of em now.
 
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And for those unaware, this is my training style

All movements 5 sets to failure. 12RF-8RF in progression. Except Session 7. 90 seconds rest between all sets. Cable Crossover and Face Pull 3x20 after each session. Week 2, use alternative grip where applicable. 1HR.

Session 1
Deadlift
Incline Press (Alt. Dumbbells)
Cable Row (Alt. One Handed)
Pull down (Alt. One Handed)
Push down (Alt. Stiff Arm Seated Pulldown)

Session 2
Clean and Press
Flye
Pendlay Row
Skull Crusher
Barbell Curl (Alt. Cheat Curl)

Session 3
Hack Squat (Alt. Reverse Grip)
Flat Press (Alt. Narrow Grip)
Reverse Flye (Alt. Lateral Raise)
Pullover
Hammer Curl (Alt. Cheat Curl)

Session 4
Good Morning
Leg Press
Leg Curl
Overhand Curl (Alt. Cheat Curl)
Triceps Kickback (Alt. Cable)

Session 5
Front Squat
Bent Row (Alt Reverse Grip)
Reclined Curl (Alt. Hammer Grip)
Triceps Extension (Alt. Cable)
Goblet Raise

Session 6
Cardio

Session 7
Wrist Curl 5x20
Wrist Extension 5x20
Cable Pronations 5x20
Cable Supinations 5x20
Dead Arm Hang 5x30sec
 
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Truth be told I was supposed to be doing session 4 last night but instead did session 5 and boy, that gave me some pretty good DOMS today, which normally, would not have happened. That’s what I get for ****ing up the rotation.

Delayed onset muscle soreness is not necessary for muscle growth.
 
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Doms is gone, tonight around midnight I will be doing session 2. I did sessions 4, 6, and 7 on Sunday, thusly resetting my schedule. Did session 1 yesterday. Not even close to a pr on deadlift, but it did wake up my aching quads.
 
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Noticing slow but steady increases in arm and chest size. Shirts are getting tight again. As long as I can keep the calories and macros where they are this should work. Stomach is not thinning out, but not seeming to get bigger. Haven’t been bloated, which is good. Have been hungrier than usual. Vacuums are deepening.
 
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So far all is still well. No new effects. Hunger is still high. Pumps are great. Having a bit of trouble not eating to excess. Remember I’m trying to just maintain calories. So I’ve gained 2lbs so far as a result. Was hoping to keep the scale in the same place and just shift lean body mass percentage. Oh well. I suppose that explains my rings no longer fitting... again.
 
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Noticed today that I’ve been looking in the wrong places for results. My legs are getting much better seemingly overnight. I do have naturally great legs, huge calves, now the quads are starting to pop for the first time in a decade.
 
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Noticed today that I’ve been looking in the wrong places for results. My legs are getting much better seemingly overnight. I do have naturally great legs, huge calves, now the quads are starting to pop for the first time in a decade.
Are you attributing it to Lithos? Do you use it on calves?

Here from my log:
After applying Lithos to my upper body. I use the still moist hands and go over my face, avoiding the eye lids. Sounds preposterous -but apparently it is smoothing out wrinkles.
I never used lotions -or anything on my face before. I just thought, looking at the ingredients, that its a "a-bomb" for skin health.
Could anyone collaborate and try this who is using Lithos too?
Could you please try the same and see if my observation is sound?
 
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Are you attributing it to Lithos? Do you use it on calves?

Here from my log:


Could you please try the same and see if my observation is sound?
I attribute it to my training. The good pumps I’m getting though that are aiding in that training, I attribute to the Lithos.
 
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So far as I can tell what I’m getting out of it are good pumps during training, and better recovery.
 
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Please try a drop on wrinkles on your face (if you have any, young padawan) and tell me after 3 days if I'm delusional -or not. -Avoid eyes!-
 
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Please try a drop on wrinkles on your face (if you have any, young padawan) and tell me after 3 days if I'm delusional -or not. -Avoid eyes!-
I do have some wrinkles that could use puffing out.
 
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I just figured when I get on a bit of test later they’ll puff out and go away for awhile.

I’m trying really hard to resist the urge to stack this stuff with something I have on hand.
 
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Tried putting some on my face, for the past five days now, because I’m funny in the head.

Not really sure anything has changed there. I’m still an ugly cxnt.

Nothing else to note, getting what seems like a bigger and bigger pump each training session but seeming to shrink back down to baseline by morning. There were a couple of days there where, not sure if it was my sodium intake went up or what, but the pump and size stayed between sessions and I started looking like I was about to blow up any day, then I pissed a ton of that out. So I don’t know. I don’t think I ate anything special. Maybe an extra glass of milk.
 
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Tried putting some on my face, for the past five days now, because I’m funny in the head.

Not really sure anything has changed there. I’m still an ugly cxnt.

Nothing else to note, getting what seems like a bigger and bigger pump each training session but seeming to shrink back down to baseline by morning. There were a couple of days there where, not sure if it was my sodium intake went up or what, but the pump and size stayed between sessions and I started looking like I was about to blow up any day, then I pissed a ton of that out. So I don’t know. I don’t think I ate anything special. Maybe an extra glass of milk.
LMAO... it may not turn a duck into a swan....but please keep doing it, because it worked for me and I need a peer review.
 
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Tried putting some on my face, for the past five days now, because I’m funny in the head.

Not really sure anything has changed there. I’m still an ugly cxnt.

Nothing else to note, getting what seems like a bigger and bigger pump each training session but seeming to shrink back down to baseline by morning. There were a couple of days there where, not sure if it was my sodium intake went up or what, but the pump and size stayed between sessions and I started looking like I was about to blow up any day, then I pissed a ton of that out. So I don’t know. I don’t think I ate anything special. Maybe an extra glass of milk.
I experienced the same thing last week,The pump.
 
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So I ran out, two days ago. But I also happened to get some kind of stomach flu at the same time, so I completely forgot to mention it.


In all, I had a great time training with this, and once I started putting my own scented oils onto my skin before application it became much more pleasant. Similar to carmex, as opposed to the original robitussen smell.

And of course I must say that as with the other Apex Alchemy product I tried, the icy-hot effect of it is very soothing to any type of soreness.
 

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