Anyone try this new shop called Infinis Nootropic?
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Smont
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I have no information about these products.But I'd like to know what you're getting out of it. Mind explaining your feelings on this? Ive done very little research on noops Despite them always being very interesting to me
kira1357
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Most interesting thing I can find after a glance through their products is the inclusion of high dosed Anandamide (endocannabinoid) in Calm. Otherwise I bet I could get the same effects from the analogous SNS or Evomuse products for a better price. But might try some out just to see. The dosages look good in general but I'm not a fan of the "everything but the kitchen sink" approach to creating expensive nootropics.
sns8778
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You have a point there - that was my first thought when I saw the formula for the nootropic one that it was super high doses for the sake of it looking good on a label, but the reality is with nootropics is that more is often not better.
The key with nootropics is NOT to use the highest dose - its to use the lowest effective dose.
The amount Alpha GPC and Citicoline together would give me incapacitating brain fog &/or a migraine - I've tried it, so I'm speaking from experience. Not meaning I've tried their product, I'm saying I've tried those dosages of Alpha GPC and Citicoline together and it messed my mental state up for days afterwards. Actually one of the only things that ever has like that.
I'm not meaning that badly about the brand. I have nothing against them and not saying anything negative towards them - I'm just speaking specifically about my thoughts in agreement with you on the kitchen sink approach to creating expensive nootropics.
Oh, I will add that you mentioned Anandamide - you'll see that in an SNS product in less than 2 weeks.
ELROCK
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So true about high choline products may cause side effects I too have experienced that and it’s not fun! That is the only thing in their nootropic product that has me hesitant to try the full dose. I think I will try it at 3/4 the serving size to start.
ELROCK
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Well from their Brain product I noticed a calm mental energy. Clear quicker thinking and improved memory recall. I just feel a bit sharper. It’s pretty nice with a cup of coffee in the morning before work. It’s not strong effects that smack you in the face, but more slight cognitive improvements noted. My vision even feels improved and colors seem brighter. I know that part sounds a little crazy, but I do noticed that when I take it.
Resolve10
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Some of their formulas look interesting, but I’m not really fan of the current trend that seems to be that formulating a product just involves taking every popular branded ingredient and shoving it all in full dose on a product. A lot of them don’t seem to have much reasoning for the laundry list of inclusions. Makes it feel like most of these products are the same as several other brands since they all just do the same thing.
The Brain one does have a few ingredients I like and some that do look interesting though. Glad you have had a good experience.
The Brain one does have a few ingredients I like and some that do look interesting though. Glad you have had a good experience.
rubberring
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Looking forward to that. Steve, that same product contains an ingredient called Yes-10. Do you have any info regarding it? Couldn't find much online.
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jarrellt67
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Something included in the soon to be released mood support formula?
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ELROCK
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I took half a scoop of their nootropic product. I am liking it for sure! The plan was to add a cup of coffee to it, but I never needed to make that coffee haha. It gave me good motivation and sense of urgency. Clear thinking with clean energy. I am impressed with it so far. I will try it again during the work week and update with my thoughts.
sns8778
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It's a branded ingredient that was kind of hyped when it first was launched but hasn't really seemed to catch on.
I'm not interested in it myself because the main method of action they state is cortisol, and there are already several other really good ingredients that work through that pathway that aren't anywhere near as expensive and that have shown real world human results.
I'm not saying its bad - just that it falls into being an ingredient that I wouldn't use in a product bc I feel it would be charging you much more for a fancy new if or maybe, versus something tried and true, if that makes sense.
sns8778
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I like branded ingredients and we use more branded ingredients than any other company our size, but I absolutely agree with your statement here. I've said for years that good formulating isn't just throwing everything in one product to make it look fancy and impress people - its including specific things at specific dosages for specific reasons.
Not everything should be mixed together, and especially at certain dosages.
It's the new marketing trend right now for sure.
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ELROCK
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I have tried this product now 4 times. I basically taken it every other day. I have used it at 0.5 scoop, 0.75 scoop, 1 scoop and about 0.6 scoop. I liked it at all doses with my sweet spot probably the most recent dose of 0.6 scoop (just over half scoop). Good long acting focus and motivation. My mind feels sharp and verbal fluency seems to be improved. It’s a good product for a long work day.
muscleupcrohn
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Seconding this. This product, dosed fully, has a HUGE dose of choline.
You have 500mg of CDP-Choline (the minimum effective dose of which alone is 250mg).
Then you also have 450mg of Alpha-GPC (which also has a minimum effective dose of around 250mg).
And then you have 400mcg Huperzine A (which has a minimum effective dose of 100mcg), an AChE-I that will also functionally increase acetylcholine levels by preventing its breakdown.
So you're not only looking at high doses of 1 choline-related ingredient, but 3. IME pairing 250mg of CDP or GPC with 100mcg of Hup-A is plenty sufficient on that front. The lowest effective dose of each, and 2 sources/ingredients, not 3. But I suppose YMMV.
Anecdotally, I have seen/heard uses for higher-dosed choline supplementation when paired with a full/high dose of racetam(s) or Noopept, but seeing as those are getting harder and harder to find (and not included in this product) I think the choline dose(s) may well be a limiting factor for some people as you mentioned.
250mg CDP, 100mcg Hup-A, and 20mg Noopept (or 2.4g Piracetam) was the sweet spot for me.
Even half a serving of this may be on the high side for some people (250mg CDP, 225mg GPC, and 200mcg Hup-A), but seems much more reasonable, and you can still get some decent to good doses of other ingredients (like 1500mg tyrosine), but a bit low on others (500mg ALCAR), etc.
ELROCK
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It is really nice for me at half scoop and just slightly over half scoop like 0.6 scoop.
Good to see you post in here @muscleupcrohn
Do you have any nootropic suggestions single ingredient or formulas?
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sns8778
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Great post and great breakdown.
I love branded ingredients and we use more branded ingredients than any company that I'm aware of, but I hate the new trend of companies throwing together a ton of branded ingredients from a marketing standpoint with little to no regard of how they may work together and effect one another and the dosage requirements.
More is definitely not always better with nootropics.
For me personally, the ratio of Alpha GPC to Citicoline that I like the best is 175 mg. to 125 mg. I could see doubling it on some days, but going any higher than that gives me a headache, brain fog, and makes me feel like crap. Not saying it will for everyone, but its something for people to be aware of in general bc a lot of nootropics can have a reverse effect or make things worse if dosed too highly.
N2ofusion
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I had to learn that lesson the hard way, myself. I never used to pay attention to it, but once I stacked a Huperzine A cap with a pre workout that already had it, I lost what should have been a fun vacation day to brain fog and confusion.
Noopept is at least 10x worse for me. Unifiram was also pretty awful. I’m not sure what the mechanics are there, but I’ve also seen these ingredients still floating around occasionally
sns8778
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I love Huperzine A as an ingredient and I take a 200 mcg. Huperzine A capsule first thing in the morning, but then I don't exceed an additional 200 mcg. in other supplements most days. Some people can use up to 800 mcg. per day, so it's just a matter of what works best for the person.
It definitely does need to be factored in with the choline intake, and that product is extreme in terms of choline dose even if just looking at the choline dose alone, no less including that with it.
I have a pretty high nootropic tolerance myself and I remember a few years ago trying 500 mg. Alpha GPC and 250 mg. Citicoline and I was useless. I couldn't even work, like I remember just sitting and staring at the computer like I couldn't even do basic tasks - brain fog followed by a massive headache and it took me a couple days to feel mentally right afterwards.
My favorite choline source personally is choline citrate bc I feel it helps me more with my mood than other types. But we will be doing an Alpha GPC/Cognizin Citicoline product in a few months and there's no way I'd dose it that high. The goal is a safe effective dose - not a dose that has a wow factor to unsuspecting consumers that don't know better and that may make them feel like crap.
There have always been brands that under-dose things, use proprietary blends, etc. But now, we're seeing a trend of some brands using the marketing angle of throwing together every branded ingredient they can think of in a product for marketing purposes to have a wow type of effect on consumers. It works from a marketing perspective, but the problem is that certain ingredients shouldn't be taken together at all, and especially not at certain dosages.
ELROCK
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This company, Infinis has been releasing some really nice loaded profiles! I already use Brain and their Nootropic product. I am looking to try out their Calm product and their Energy product. They also have me interested in their Hydration product and their Greens product even though I don’t usually buy products in those categories. Anyone tried any of these yet?
jarrellt67
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I haven't tried them but after just looking at the profiles, have to agree with you. Their calm product looks great and while I don't normally buy hydration products, may have to give theirs a try. Maybe I can talk my wife into buying theirs next time (instead of her usual brand) and try it that way...
ELROCK
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Absolutely! And the Sleep product looks great except I am not really a fan of melatonin. I am good with a very small dose of melatonin, but usually will just stay away from it all together.
their pre workout product looks good also.
Dustin07
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kinda seems to be a personal thing like how people respond to thc or alcohol, IMO.
post covid, I started occasionally using Genius Mushrooms brand. I noticed after a couple days it was like a brain fog had lifted that I didn't even know was there. I also felt that when using Iconic's new All Out preWO, I had better than ever cognitive function postWO.
Some people like starting their days with a workout, I have never noticed improved mental faculties from a sweat session, but I did feel like I had better mental energy/clarity postWO on All Out. In fact I might be the type of person that has a worse day at the office after a 4am workout.
I'm sorta the same. if I use it routinely it loses its effect and might even become a negative. I do seem to get a deeper sleep when I'm using something like Alpha Gel but if I take quite a few months away from Melatonin, then pop a few holy cow.
Danksta710
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Still intrigued but not interested. They just throw the kitchen sink at a formula and hope all those brands on a label equates a quality product. Most of their formulas are overkill imo. You are paying for ingredients that overlap, etc...it's a clever brand whoever runs it. Marketing company? I've love to learn more about them.
Brain XL and Mood Support XT are what I rely on for nootropics. I think companies and some consumers see nootropics as stims and more is better. So far from reality. There is a point where laser focus turns to confusion.
Brain XL and Mood Support XT are what I rely on for nootropics. I think companies and some consumers see nootropics as stims and more is better. So far from reality. There is a point where laser focus turns to confusion.
Resolve10
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Definitely. There is way too much going on in a lot of them for me, I prefer a bit more targeted rather than kitchen sink. Too many different noots and then I don't know what to remove when it feels too much (and I'm finding lately I need less choline for whatever reason and so many places are putting full doses of multiple forms of choline, which immediately means I need to pass).
The intra just intrigued me since the small dose of protein/hydrolyzed protein + EAAs was always a combo I enjoyed with Intrabolic/Strive. Wasn't sure I was feeling the nitrates in the formula though so just stocked up on more Innovapharm EAA instead.
Danksta710
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Definitely. There is way too much going on in a lot of them for me, I prefer a bit more targeted rather than kitchen sink. Too many different noots and then I don't know what to remove when it feels too much (and I'm finding lately I need less choline for whatever reason and so many places are putting full doses of multiple forms of choline, which immediately means I need to pass).
The intra just intrigued me since the small dose of protein/hydrolyzed protein + EAAs was always a combo I enjoyed with Intrabolic/Strive. Wasn't sure I was feeling the nitrates in the formula though so just stocked up on more Innovapharm EAA instead.
The intra is clever, I had similar thoughts. Personally myproteins clear or apollons 50/50 clear is what I use for intra. When I saw that formula I thought they see what I've seen...clear eating into the EAA market. Big reason I think companies took awhile to add it in their inventory.
Resolve10
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I just remembered I said I’d try some of those clear proteins instead of EAA next time haha
That may be a good point, one reason I’ve always leaned towards EAA over whey was due to not ever wanting to drink the thicker or non fruity flavors during/around training.