Unanswered Alchemist's lean mass cycle (SD, Primo, Tren Hex and Var)

[manifesto]

Doesn't it take forever to draw the oil out with am insulin needle?

 

[CroLifter]

Doesn't it take forever to draw the oil out with am insulin needle?

Depends on the amount. I was pinning 0.2ml 2x per week for my "trt" and i was drawing with the prepacked 27 or 29g (dont really know but those needles were thin) 1/2 inch without issues.

but 1ml hell yeah, it would take a looong time.

 

[Alchemist11]

Doesn't it take forever to draw the oil out with am insulin needle?

No, I draw in other syringe with 21g and frontload insulin syringe. Or I just put 25 g needle on regular syringe.

 

[manifesto]

Oh gotcha...I thought the insulin pins needles could not be removed

 

[manifesto]

Ohhhhh got it now

 

[Mathb33]

Interesting bro. Haven’t thought about that one. Obviously a 2-3cc shot would take a fucking while but instead you pin more often with less volume since it’s painless / no scar tissue. I’ll think about that 1 on my next purchase

 

[Alchemist11]

Interesting bro. Haven’t thought about that one. Obviously a 2-3cc shot would take a fucking while but instead you pin more often with less volume since it’s painless / no scar tissue. I’ll think about that 1 on my next purchase

It seems like a hustle, but when you split it in more 1 ml shots, it's waaay more comfortable even for your mind. And insulin syringes seem cute, unlike 3-4 ml....lol
But yeah, no scar tissue, and I personaly feel more comfortable when I inject less than 1.5 ml in one spot

 

[SkRaw85]

Does a 1” length insulin syringe exist? I’ve been looking around, seems 5/8” is max.

 

[manifesto]

Apparently 5/8 is long enough for delts and quads because these areas are typically leaner

 

[trumac]

Apparently 5/8 is long enough for delts and quads because these areas are typically leaner

I have no issues with 5/8” 25 ga for delts. Haven’t tried quads. 5/8” is long enough for delts for sure tho

 

[SkRaw85]

For sure. I’d just feel better getting below a few more layers. I’m sure I prob have a bit more body fat than those that bodybuild. I’ll prob try looking for like a 28 g 1” and see what I can find. Just peace of mind I suppose

 

[SkRaw85]

Never mind, just found em. 30g 1”. My delts rejoice.

 

[trumac]

For sure. I’d just feel better getting below a few more layers. I’m sure I prob have a bit more body fat than those that bodybuild. I’ll prob try looking for like a 28 g 1” and see what I can find. Just peace of mind I suppose

Sometimes it makes a big difference. I recently switched to 1.5” for glutes and it’s way better than 1”

 

[manifesto]

Sometimes it makes a big difference. I recently switched to 1.5” for glutes and it’s way better than 1”

What do you mean by way better bro?

 

[SkRaw85]

I’ve also heard 1.5 in glutes is less pain than 1”

 

[trumac]

What do you mean by way better bro?

Less pip

 

[manifesto]

I see

 

[Godstrength]

I'd say it really dependant on how much bf you have, but delts are nice spot really if you go with insulin syringe, and pip (if you got one), last maybe few hours and thata it

I'm pretty lean and I can use 1" in the glutes no problem, no pip.

 

[Alchemist11]

I'm pretty lean and I can use 1" in the glutes no problem, no pip.

Yeah, it really easy with that one, but I decided to give my ass a break a bit lol

 

[Godstrength]

Yeah, it really easy with that one, but I decided to give my ass a break a bit lol

Yeah I have a decent amount of scar tissue... I wont due quads lol it can be horrific. Shoulders are poppable tho and a little break for the glutes. Biggest thing I find is that youre better off using good quality syringes like BD bc they use surgical steel that is sharp af and it does make a difference with how it goes in. Good pins are much smoother and worth the extra money imo.

 

[manifesto]

Yeah I have a decent amount of scar tissue... I wont due quads lol it can be horrific. Shoulders are poppable tho and a little break for the glutes. Biggest thing I find is that youre better off using good quality syringes like BD bc they use surgical steel that is sharp af and it does make a difference with how it goes in. Good pins are much smoother and worth the extra money imo.

Good point. New to the game, and never thought about quality of steel.

 

[manifesto]

So what's the consensus?

1.5 inch for glutes

1 inch for quads and delts

Insulin syringes for lean people

 

[Alchemist11]

So what's the consensus?

1.5 inch for glutes

1 inch for quads and delts

Insulin syringes for lean people

Yes, just heat up gear before injecting it, it will be much easier to do so

 

[manifesto]

Dang, I havent been heating up my gear at all

 

[manifesto]

What technique do you use for this?

Sorry to derail your thread by the way...

 

[Alchemist11]

What technique do you use for this?

Sorry to derail your thread by the way...

Just put vial or ampoule in a glass of hot water for few minutes before you draw and inject

 

[SkRaw85]

I'd say it really dependant on how much bf you have, but delts are nice spot really if you go with insulin syringe, and pip (if you got one), last maybe few hours and thata it

I’ve been lucky so far. Never any pip, but only smooth oil in so far. I’m sure when I dabble with other ones I’ll experience a bit. I will say that after a couple months of jamming a ml in them 2x a week it’s relieving to go to .33 ml. I’m definitely going to swap it from 25 g to 30 g though real soon. First pin ever was smooth as butter. There’s a little crunch as I punch through these days if I don’t rotate far enough away lol.

 

[Alchemist11]

Shape check, Anavar has kicked in, it's awesome. That aesthetic fullness it gives you during the workout is just amazing. Bf% is going down, but strength is still there and rising. I'm pale AF here, but, vascularity is getting crazy and yet you stay dry. This combo is the bomb.

 

[SkRaw85]

Cocaine annnnd....????

 

[Alchemist11]

Cocaine annnnd....????

Protein

 

[trumac]

What technique do you use for this?

Sorry to derail your thread by the way...

I run the barrel under hot water since I preload mine at the beginning of the week

 

[SkRaw85]

Protein

Lmao! Oh my!

 

[manifesto]

I run the barrel under hot water since I preload mine at the beginning of the week

I have just been slamming mine room temperature

 

[manifesto]

Looking like a super hero Alchemist!!!

 

[manifesto]

BAMF

 

[trumac]

I have just been slamming mine room temperature

I do with a lot of compounds. I was having pip from higher concentration EQ so I tried the longer pins and heating it and it really helped. I don’t bother heating it unless I find it gives me pip

 

[manifesto]

Yeah, I'm just pinning test cyp right now, but this is good knowledge for the future

 

[Alchemist11]

Looking like a super hero Alchemist!!!

That's the goal! Like Cutler once said

 

[Godstrength]

That's the goal! Like Cutler once said

That var is kicking bro... It gives that paper thin pink glow on the skin. I think everything fills out in all the right places on anavar also the vascularity. It's a nice little pump in all the right places it seems like. You're killing it alchemist

 

[Alchemist11]

That var is kicking bro... It gives that paper thin pnik glow on the skin. I think everything fills out in all the right places on anavar also vascularity. It's a nice little pump and all the right places it seems like. You're killing it alchemist

Thanks man, I appreciate it! Yeah, that's one of the best things, it fills you up in all the right places. Last nigth I wasn't even doing triceps, I did legs and a bit of shulders, and veins over my triceps were insane and that dry, yet full look is epic. Amazing drug

 

[Godstrength]

Thanks man, I appreciate it! Yeah, that's one of the best things, it fills you up in all the right places. Last nigth I wasn't even doing triceps, I did legs and a bit of shulders, and veins over my triceps were insane and that dry, yet full look is epic. Amazing drug

I love it with primo... I'm on test and primo now and im about to throw in some proviron for a few weeks and then I'll switch to anavar

 

[Alchemist11]

I love it with primo... I'm on test and primo now and im about to throw in some proviron for a few weeks and then I'll switch to anavar

Oh yes, Primo is nice addition and Proviron can make a big difference

 

[Alchemist11]

Had to make small update, since leaning out is starting to it's place, and back progress is really good so far. As you can se from my log and pics, gains are not as big, but quality and are added in every place proportionaly, and I'm really happy with it.

 

[roidsarebad]

Had to make small update, since leaning out is starting to it's place, and back progress is really good so far. As you can se from my log and pics, gains are not as big, but quality and are added in every place proportionaly, and I'm really happy with it.View attachment 189414View attachment 189415

Lookin great man! Really have that chiseled look.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Thanks man, this will be the best shape so far at the end of this cycle

Looks like you got back abs coming in

 

[Alchemist11]

Looks like you got back abs coming in

Seems like it's easier to get them on back than on the front lol

 

[Alchemist11]

So, update time!
Weight is at 197 lbs, I keep getting leaner and vascularity is more and more prominent. Love this hard granite look that this combination gives to my physique. Last few weeks I feel like, no matter what I do, I keep growing, which feels awesome, to be honest. Today was light legs/shoulder day. Also, one more thing, yesterday I was in a meeting at a restaurant and everybody was miring those gains in suit, feels nice lol

 

[CroLifter]

Which one would you say is the most responsible for the hard look?

btw you have added good mass to your delts and arms

 

[Alchemist11]

Which one would you say is the most responsible for the hard look?

btw you have added good mass to your delts and arms

Well, this stack is designed to be hard at every moment, can't say that any of the compounds is responsible the most, but the combination of all of them is bingo for me.
Thank man, military pressing is really adding mass to my delts.

 

[Alchemist11]

Had to make minor update. Today was push day, lower/middle chest, triceps and bit of shoulders. Really wanted to destroy my chest today, and I have to say, intesity was crazy today. Shredds are coming and I'm really happy with this progress. If anyone cares, here is todays workout with some of the weight for better perception. One more thing I had to add, first 5-6 reps with 235 felt really light, it was insane, for second, I had to check if I acctually put that much weight on the bar before that set.
Flat BB bench press
12x145lbs, 12x190lbs, 12x210lbs, 12x235 lbs, 10x245 lbs, and immediate drop 10x190, 12x145
Flat DB bench press
4 x 12 (60 lbs)
Flat DB flys with flat hex press
Both 4 x 12
Lower chest cable crossover
16, 14, 12
DB chest pullovers
3x12
Triceps rope push down
3 x 15
Overhead cable one arm extension
16, 14, 12
Incline french press
16, 14, 12
X triceps with cables
3 x 12