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Glad to see you're still working at it. Let me know when you start the new thread.:thumbsup:

You put it very well. Your explanation hit the nail on the head as to why I dropped it and all other Y-combos. I also forgot to mention the semeny(if that's a word)discharge after urination. First time it happenned, I thought I had an STD:wtf:

Over the years, I've tried it all. Never solo though. Always with some type of fat burnner.

You could be right. I have tried and dropped other "fat burners" that had strong yohimbine doses. It wreaks havoc on my prostate too...:dump:

Well this is purely speculation on my part, but the velvet bean extract is standardized to contain %20 L- Dopa. L-Dopa's action is on the brain is it not? My conclusion is that the Y jacks my heart rate up- Not to mention BP- along with the rest of the stims, creating an increased rate of...

Well, when I examine the label, the best I can come up with is that the Yohimbine could be interacting with the velvet bean extract. I tend to be sensitive to yohimbine. it jacks up my heart rate noticably. I tolerate other stims well so I don't think it could be anything else. I will admit...

It gives me and the girl the ****s. I also seems to magnify anxiety in me strangely. I just feel a weird uneasiness when I take it. I'm not saying anything about effecacy(sp?), but based on "how I feel" when on it, I'd rather take some caffeine and a couple primetine tabs.

Well, I ordered some last week. Hopefully it will arrive soon. I'll be able to tell you if it stacks up or not...

Understood. How do you feel on it?

I was also wondering, How does this affect blood flow? Is it a vaso constrictor, dialator? Or is it nuteral in effect?

Were you in a lean out phase for a while before you started taking it? Just curious. As far as taking it as a stim, I'm not intrested in "feeling"it. It just has to work. IMO, this is a nice feature to the product. I'll go on the record now saying that if its a neuro stim I'm looking for I...

I thought so. How are the reviews? Have you tried it?

when you go to the site and click on it nothing comes up. Mabey he sold out fast. I've heard nothing about it lately though.

What's the latest buzz on this? the threads been cold for a while.

I was looking back through the chronicle and found that. It pretty much sums it up on a variety of levels. Water to Wine , Lead to Gold , From Prison to Liberation. Sleep to Awakening...

Thanks man. That's good stuff. I'll willingly take all she can give. She can't touch me. The hard part is watching what this is doing to my kids and to Liz. God bless her. We'll survive. The plans are coming to fruition.

Update I wish it was good news. I was keeping up with monstrous child support payments until just before Christmas. Funny thing is that Our children stay with me half the time and I do ALL the driving. She filed a motion for contempt. I'll be going back to court for the third time in less...

Hey Brutha!:wave: Check your PMs.:type:

I'm definitely not gonna be the one to find out. I'm not rubbing ANYTHING containing the word acid in it's active ingredient on my man meat...:fool2:

That dam Jayhawk...:frustrate Will he ever learn to keep a secret!?:rant: