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When I finished my Super 1-Andro log I
Bought these.

After doing a pct of sorts, I did the Turkesterone log. Anyway, it's been long enough between cycles and I wanted to up the testosterone by adding in Super 4-Andro.

I will be doing my trt with this so test should be up a good bit.
I already deloaded a little but plan on taking weights back up pretty quickly.

This isn't about lbs on me. It's about putting more up. I will be training similar to the 1-andro log.

My dosing will be just like on the bottles:
One pump of each in the AM and again in the PM.
Trt is only 100 mgs cyp a week. I also take a little pregnenolone and DHEA. Starting dosing tomorrow.
 
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My training will be as follows:

Monday: chest & tris
Tuesday: leg day
Wednesday: recombinant bike for one
hour
Thursday: lats & bis
Friday: delts & mid-back
Saturday: Cardio here and there. Fam has me doing stuff a lot this day.

I'm going to work more on getting more muscle fibers where my pec tear was at.
I couldn't even bench the bar nor the Cybex without plates on the right side after it happened. Trying to fix the mutation getting there
Today's workout:
Chest & tris
Pause bench:
135 X5
135 X5
135 X5
Cybex plate loaded bench:
205 X5
205 X5
205 X5
205 X5
205 X5
Cybex stretch one arm incline bench:
35 X6,6 R&LG6
35 X6,6
Cybex flies:
95 X10
95 X10
10degree machine:
90 X10
90 X10
90 X10
Tricep press:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Cybex tri ext:
67.5 X10
67.5 X
Rope push downs:
60 X10
60 X10
60 X10
Torso rotation:
70 X10,10 R&L G20
70 X10,10
70 X10,10
 
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I'm going to work more on getting more muscle fibers where my pec tear was at.
I couldn't even bench the bar nor the Cybex without plates on the right side after it happened. Trying to fix the mutation getting there.
That's a great feeling to go from not being able to lift the bar to repping hundreds of pounds again. How long ago was the tear?
 
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I don't even remember the exact day but it was in the summer of 2020. I could get three plates on the flat bench which was the national record for my age and weight. I tore it doing 275 on the flat.
When I could get the bars on the Cybex, I did that for 5X5 and kept upping it by 5 or 10 lbs every week. It was great when I could get 135 X 5 X 5. I got three plates on the cybex at the end of the last 1-andro cycle. Going to eventually get my free weight raw flat bench back.
 
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I don't even remember the exact day but it was in the summer of 2020. I could get three plates on the flat bench which was the national record for my age and weight. I tore it doing 275 on the flat.
When I could get the bars on the Cybex, I did that for 5X5 and kept upping it by 5 or 10 lbs every week. It was great when I could get 135 X 5 X 5. I got three plates on the cybex at the end of the last 1-andro cycle. Going to eventually get my free weight raw flat bench back.
I got back and forth about doing barbell flat bench. I love it but I've heard so many talk about the risk versus reward of doing it. Definitely more risk for injury with barbell flat bench.
 
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I got back and forth about doing barbell flat bench. I love it but I've heard so many talk about the risk versus reward of doing it. Definitely more risk for injury with barbell flat bench.
Ya, I do the Pause reps on the real flat and then challenge myself on the cybex. Going to try and get three plates and a 25 on this one.
The cool thing(besides less risk) about the Cybex is how easy it is to time elbow flare and breathing.
 
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I did a little deloading here and there but pretty strong for just starting. The fact I'm doing that after a turkesterone run shows that it does work.
Pretty good strength for starting out.

Leg day:
Hack Squats:
165 X8
215* X5
225 X5
235 X5
235 X5
235 X5
Feet forward hack squats:
225*X5
225 X5
Straight leg deads:
135 X10
185 X8
225* X6
Seated leg curls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
Seated leg ext:
130 X10
120* X10
120 X10
Standing calf raises:
Mid 200 X 35 G35
in 200 X35
Out 200 X35
 
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Ya, I do the Pause reps on the real flat and then challenge myself on the cybex. Going to try and get three plates and a 25 on this one.
The cool thing(besides less risk) about the Cybex is how easy it is to time elbow flare and breathing.
I get a really good pump to anytime I use something like a Cybex for pressing. If I had room in my home gym i would probably invest in one.
 
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In for the log, liked following your last one and the commentary you had on it!
 
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I got back and forth about doing barbell flat bench. I love it but I've heard so many talk about the risk versus reward of doing it. Definitely more risk for injury with barbell flat bench.
I find myself doing this with the hack squat also now. I did go back and forth between the leg press and squat rack. Probably going to use the hack now. I can squat deep without danger to my formally broken hips and my back is locked in. Put feet at the top line and you have quad stretch. Pretty cool.
 
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I find myself doing this with the hack squat also now. I did go back and forth between the leg press and squat rack. Probably going to use the hack now. I can squat deep without danger to my formally broken hips and my back is locked in. Put feet at the top line and you have quad stretch. Pretty cool.
Hack squat machine would be another one I would love to have in my home gym if I had the room!
 
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My wrist was bothering me doing dumbbell curls so I switched to Cable stuff. I don't know why but it was bugging me while I was driving yesterday. The Rope hammers were kinda tough but I did them.

Got my one hour in on the recombinant bike yesterday. Legs are feeling OK.

I think stacking the 4-andro with the 1-andro is going make it work better on the strength as I go along.

Lats & bis:
Cybex pulldowns:
150 X10
170 X8
190 X6
Pullovers:
95 X10
95 X10
Straight arm pulldowns;
47.5 X10
47.5 X10
47.5 X10
Underhand mag rows:
110 X10
125 X8
140 X6
Cable ez curls:
70 X10
70 X10
70 X10
Rope hammer curls:
80 X 10
80 X10
Incline curls:
25s X10 G10
25s X10
Cybex preacher curls:
62.5 X10
62.5 X10
62.5 X10
 
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Not a bad workout today. My delts grew pretty good on the turkesterone and I was only doing trt with so that's a nice start for this one.
Cybex palm in ohp:
80 X10
90 X8
100X6
Leaning lat raises:
25 X10,10 R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies
65 10,10X R&L
65 X10,10
Delt high machine rows:
90 X10
100 X8
110 X6
Shrugs:
135 X20 G20*
185 X16 G16
235 X12 G12
Hoist crunch:
R: 165 X 35 G35
L: 165 X 35
M:165 X35
 
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Not a bad workout today. My delts grew pretty good on the turkesterone and I was only doing trt with so that's a nice start for this one.
Cybex palm in ohp:
80 X10
90 X8
100X6
Leaning lat raises:
25 X10,10 R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies
65 10,10X R&L
65 X10,10
Delt high machine rows:
90 X10
100 X8
110 X6
Shrugs:
135 X20 G20*
185 X16 G16
235 X12 G12
Hoist crunch:
R: 165 X 35 G35
L: 165 X 35
M:165 X35
Nice just joined the log, what were you running the Turk at?
 
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Nice just joined the log, what were you running the Turk at?
I took two caps (500mgs)in the AM with food and two later after workout. When I took the second dose too close to the first, I got some nasty lethargy so I took the second dose close to bedtime.
Stuff gives me some crazy pumps and strength went up like a mild prohormone cycle.
 
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I took two caps (500mgs)in the AM with food and two later after workout. When I took the second dose too close to the first, I got some nasty lethargy so I took the second dose close to bedtime.
Stuff gives me some crazy pumps and strength went up like a mild prohormone cycle.
BTW, IML's turkesterone is 500 mgs per cap. That was one that I logged for another company. You can use my coupon at IML and get 20% off their's. It's HOGGMAN20
 
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Bench work is going well. Going to do 225 for 5X5 next week and then do a pyramid and see what I can get.
Chest & tris
Pause bench:
135 X5
135 X5
135 X5
Cybex plate loaded bench:
135 X 10
215 X5
215 X5
215 X5
215 X5
215 X5
Cybex incline bench:
155 X6 R&L G6
155 X6
Cybex flies:
95 X10
95 X10
10degree machine:
90 X10
90 X10
90 X10
Tricep press:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Cybex tri ext:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope push downs:
60 X10
65 X10
65 X10
Torso rotation:
70 X 20,20 R&L G20
70 X20,20
70 X20,20
 
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I love doing 5x5 sets for any type of strength focused workouts or exercises.
 
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I love doing 5x5 sets for any type of strength focused workouts or exercises.
Yeah, I do them on squats and bench. Even on the Cybex I'm only going to do pyramids here and there. Doing heavies on the flat too much is what led to my injury.
 
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Strength is coming right along. When I ended the 1-andro log I Bought this stack. I knew the 4-andro would make it better.
Leg day:
Hack Squats:
165 X8
235 X5
235 X5
235 X5
235 X5
235 X5
Feet forward hack squats:
235 X5
235 X5
Straight leg deads:
135 X10
185 X8
235 X6
Seated leg curls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
Seated leg ext:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Standing calf raises:
Mid 200 X 35 G35
in 200 X35
Out 200 X35
 
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Curious how did the 1andro treat you at just 2pumps=100mg ?
 
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Curious how did the 1andro treat you at just 2pumps=100mg ?
Wheen I took 2 pumps at once I would get a bit of lethargy. I solved that problem by taking one in the Am and one post shower in the PM.
Got some nice lean hard gains over the coarse of 7 weeks that way. Nice strength gains also.
Doing the same now just doing one pump of the 4-andro each time also. Feeling pretty good already. I'm kinda managing carbs as I to keep myself lean.
 
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Yeah, I do them on squats and bench. Even on the Cybex I'm only going to do pyramids here and there. Doing heavies on the flat too much is what led to my injury.
Agreed. I can't tell you how many times i've gotten a injury from doing flat bench heavy :( I've tended to lean toward incline and decline only with DB flat bench now.
 
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It must have just been a mild strain or something messing with my wrist last week. I still did cable curls(except the Incline ones). Kinda missed watch the veins pop out in the mirror tho 😜

Lats & bis:
Cybex pulldowns:
155 X10
175 X8
195 X6
Pullovers:
95 X10
95 X10
Straight arm pulldowns;
47.5 X10
47.5 X10
47.5 X10
Underhand mag rows:
110 X10
125 X8
140 X6
Cable ez curls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
Rope hammer curls:
85 X 10
85 X10
Incline curls:
25s X10 G10
25s X10
Cybex preacher curls:
62.5 X10
62.5 X10
62.5 X10
 
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Delts are coming along nicely. I'm liking the way I mixed it up.
Delts & mid-back:
Cybex palm in ohp:
80 X10
90 X8
100X6
Leaning lat raises:
25 X 10,10R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies
65* 10,10X R&L
70 X10,10
Delt high machine rows:
100* X10
110 X8
120 X6
Shrugs:
135 X22 G22
185 X18 G18
235 X15 G16
Hoist crunch:
R: 165 X 33 G33
L: 165 X 33
M:165 X33
 
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My regular gym closed early today so I went to Anytime Fitness.
I did 10 X 10 on the chest press, 2 sets of Precor flies and changed to cable crossovers because they don't have a 10 percent machine.
I'm thinking about adding light volume work in on the flat bench anyway so this is a good start. I got my Incline bench work in also.
Just did tricep extensions and Rope pushdowns for tris.
 
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My regular gym closed early today so I went to Anytime Fitness.
I did 10 X 10 on the chest press, 2 sets of Precor flies and changed to cable crossovers because they don't have a 10 percent machine.
I'm thinking about adding light volume work in on the flat bench anyway so this is a good start. I got my Incline bench work in also.
Just did tricep extensions and Rope pushdowns for tris.
You know, as much as I enjoy working out from home, I need to find time to pop into a commercial gym every once and a while just for some change of pace. Always enjoy working some machines and particularly cable exercises.
 
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You know, as much as I enjoy working out from home, I need to find time to pop into a commercial gym every once and a while just for some change of pace. Always enjoy working some machines and particularly cable exercises.
I've been blessed to live in an area that has always had free gyms. All I have at home now is a treadmill, stationary bike and some cords I bought during the plandemic.
My regular gym has tons of free weights, machines and cardio equipment. I love that place. Anytime is pretty good to tho. Silver Sneakers is awesome for us old guys.
 
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Leg day was kinda tough today but it's supposed to be so it's a win. I was going to try to do all the hacks at 255 but decided not to after the warm up.
Leg day:
Hack Squats:
165 X8
215 X5
235 X5
245 X5
255 X5
255 X5
Feet forward hack squats:
255 X5
255 X5
Straight leg deads:
135 X10
185 X8
235 X6
Seated leg curls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
Seated leg ext:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Standing calf raises:
Mid 200 X 35 G35
in 200 X35
Out 200 X35
 
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Leg day was kinda tough today but it's supposed to be so it's a win. I was going to try to do all the hacks at 255 but decided not to after the warm up.
Leg day:
Hack Squats:
165 X8
215 X5
235 X5
245 X5
255 X5
255 X5
Feet forward hack squats:
255 X5
255 X5
Straight leg deads:
135 X10
185 X8
235 X6
Seated leg curls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
Seated leg ext:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Standing calf raises:
Mid 200 X 35 G35
in 200 X35
Out 200 X35
How much of the 1 and 4 are you using?
 
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Nice workout today. Vascularity was looking good while doing bis. Strength steady going up. My wrist seems fine. I just stuck with the cables anyway.
Going to do some volume on bench on Monday. Should be interesting. I did 10X10 on stack plate chest press last week. Going to play around with 5 X 10 on the flat after doing some heavies on the Cybex.
Lats & bis:
Cybex pulldowns:
155 X10
175 X8
195 X6
Pullovers:
95*X10
100 X10
Straight arm pulldowns;
47.5 X10
47.5 X10
47.5 X10
Underhand mag rows:
110* X10
125 X8
140 X6
Cable ez curls:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
90 X 10
90 X10
Incline curls:
25s X10G10
25s X9(5 fail punishment reps)
Cybex preacher curls:
62.5* X10
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
 
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Nice workout! Wish I had the space and $ to get a bunch of cybex machines for my home gym! Maybe one day.
 
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Nice workout! Wish I had the space and $ to get a bunch of cybex machines for my home gym! Maybe one day.
Yeah, I go to a Nautilus and most of the equipment is Cybex. Both the stack plate and the plate loaded stuff are awesome.
 
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Good delt workout today. I think I'm going to trade those high rows for one arm dumbbell rows tho.
Delts & mid-back:
Cybex palm in ohp:
80 X10
90 X8
100X6
Leaning lat raises:
25 X10,10 R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies
70 X10,10 R&L
70 X10,10
Delt high machine rows:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Shrugs:
135 X22 G22
185 X18 G18
235 X 16 G16
Hoist crunch:
R: 165 X 33 G33
L: 165 X 33
M:165 X34
 
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Good delt workout today. I think I'm going to trade those high rows for one arm dumbbell rows tho.
Delts & mid-back:
Cybex palm in ohp:
80 X10
90 X8
100X6
Leaning lat raises:
25 X10,10 R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies
70 X10,10 R&L
70 X10,10
Delt high machine rows:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Shrugs:
135 X22 G22
185 X18 G18
235 X 16 G16
Hoist crunch:
R: 165 X 33 G33
L: 165 X 33
M:165 X34
Dumbbell rows > high rows any day in my book !
 
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I got the idea for volume on the flat bench from another log. It seems like this will be a good way to work on my free weight bench.

After the pec tear I basically had a large hole in my upper pec. It still looks a bit mutated but it looks way different. You really can create new fibers to fix this.

The plan was to do 3 sets of 5 on the Cybex followed by 5 sets of 10 on the flat.
I did 5X5 on the Cybex today because I want to try some heavies on the Cybex next week.

Chest &
Cybex plate loaded bench:
135 X 10
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
Flat bench:
105 X10
105 X10
105 X10
105 X10
105 X10
Cybex incline bench:
155 X 5
155 X5
Cybex flies:
95 X10
95 X10
Vgrip pushdowns:
100 X10
110 X7
120 X5
Cybex tri ext:
75 X10
75 X10
Rope push downs:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10
Torso rotation:
70 X 20,20 R&L G20
70 X20,20
70 X20,20
 
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Did the 10 X 10 feet forward today!
Feet forward squats:
135 X10
155 X10
165 X10
175 X10
185 X10
190 X10
195 X10
205 X10
215 X10
225 X10
 
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Did the 10 X 10 feet forward today!
Feet forward squats:
135 X10
155 X10
165 X10
175 X10
185 X10
190 X10
195 X10
205 X10
215 X10
225 X10
A lot of squat volume. Hope you were able to sit on the toilet yesterday and today ?! ;)
 
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Ok I need to catch up on this. My legs were pretty wiped out after the 100 squats but I didn't do my recombinant bike thing the next day. Instead I did back and bis at Anytime Fitness. Didn't log that because the training was different from my workout outline. I did the upright bike with varying intensity Thursday(even tho my legs were pretty sore).

Here's today's workout. I kept the high rows in just because the rear delts seemed to be hit more. I did play around with one arm bench rows and Incline rows some too.
Delts & mid-back:
Cybex palm in ohp:
90 X10
100 X8
110 X6
Leaning lat raises:
25 X10,10 R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies
70 X10,10 R&L
70 X10,10
High rows:
115 X10
125 X8
135 X6
Shrugs:
135 X22 G22
185 X18 G18
235 X16 G16
Hoist crunch:
R: 165 X 33 G33
L: 165 X 33
M:165 X34
 
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I just missed locking out on 315 by a hair but 305 at this point isn't bad. Doing the 5X10 on the flat should help me get my free weight bench back. Hopefully I'll eventually do 5X5 on the flat with some pretty decent weight.
Chest &
Cybex plate loaded bench:
135 X 10
225 X6
275 X1
295 X1
315 X.5 (very close fail)
305 X 1
Flat bench:
115 X10
115 X10
115 X10
115 X10
115 X10
Cybex incline bench:
155 X 5
155 X5
Cybex flies:
95 X10
95 X10
Vgrip pushdowns:
100 X10
110 X8
120 X6
Cybex tri ext:
75 X10
75 X10
Rope push downs:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10
Torso rotation:
70 X 20,20 R&L G20
70 X20,20
70 X20,20
 
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I just missed locking out on 315 by a hair but 305 at this point isn't bad. Doing the 5X10 on the flat should help me get my free weight bench back. Hopefully I'll eventually do 5X5 on the flat with some pretty decent weight.
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Cybex plate loaded bench:
135 X 10
225 X6
275 X1
295 X1
315 X.5 (very close fail)
305 X 1
Flat bench:
115 X10
115 X10
115 X10
115 X10
115 X10
Cybex incline bench:
155 X 5
155 X5
Cybex flies:
95 X10
95 X10
Vgrip pushdowns:
100 X10
110 X8
120 X6
Cybex tri ext:
75 X10
75 X10
Rope push downs:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10
Torso rotation:
70 X 20,20 R&L G20
70 X20,20
70 X20,20
315 flat bench will be here before you know it if it was that close to completing the rep!
 
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315 flat bench will be here before you know it if it was that close to completing the rep!
Yeah I'll get it. I'm going to be careful tho. Will probably do 5x5 on the flat a lot before trying it. Thinking about doing some 3X3 on the Cybex now.
 
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I didn't skip leg my internet was down. :)
I took my trt cyp out because my crit was 51. Fast esters and 4-Andro elevate it less. Our local red cross closed and I have to drive to Egypt to donate. I believe some of these andros agonize the beta ER which also counters it a bit. AIs do some as well but my old arse kinda likes a little e2 to help my joints.
Leg day:
Hack Squats:
165 X8
235 X5
235 X5
235 X5
235 X5
235 X5
Feet forward squats:
205 X10
225 X10
Straight leg deads:
135 X10
185 X8
235 X6
Seated leg curls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
Seated leg ext:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Seated calf raises:
Mid 140 X30 G30
in 140 X30
Out 140 X30
 
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Will probably do 5x5 on the flat a lot before trying it. Thinking about doing some 3X3 on the Cybex now.
Definitely a good way to increase strength by doing the 5x5 or 3x3 workouts.
 
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Good workout today. I had to put the trt back in. These old joints just can't take phasing it out. The 4-andro is a bit dry. I had my pelvis crushed up pretty badly when I was in the wreck and my hips hurt doing anything sometimes.

The grapefruit juice I used to drink when taking kratom probably helped manage the crit also. Probably make a point to drink some juice in the evenings anyway.

Lats & bis:
Cybex pulldowns:
155 X10
175 X8
195 X6
Pullovers:
100 X10
100 X10
Straight arm pulldowns;
47.5 X10
47.5 X10
47.5 X10
Underhand mag rows:
120 X10
135 X8
150 X6
Cable ez curls:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
90 X 10
90 X10
Incline curls:
25s X10 G10
25s X10
Cybex preacher curls:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
 
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These old joints just can't take phasing it out.
My joints feel fairly good all throughout the spring and summer months. Come fall and winter I usually try and add in a joint supplement to my daily stack since I tend to get achy joints in those months.
 
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My joints feel fairly good all throughout the spring and summer months. Come fall and winter I usually try and add in a joint supplement to my daily stack since I tend to get achy joints in those months.
Yeah, it's been crazy humid around here and barometric pressure seems to mess with mine.
I probably should bump up the fish oil that helps some.
 

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