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SubQ T - and HcG

HondoElroy

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Anyone have good results from doing SubQ T injections - without a corresponding rise in Estrogen levels?

Also, if you do use that method, do you do the SubQ injections into the stomach area around the navel (like with HcG) or what?

And finally, have any of you tried doing T and HcG simultaneously with same syringe/needle. I read on one of the forums (can't even recall how recently much less find it now) about a couple of guys who were doing it that way - with seemingly good results.

As I recall, they would draw the HcG normally, then remove the piston plunger and inject the previously drawn Test from another larger needle syringe into the cylinder of the inuslin syringe, then reinsert the piston lunger and turn the syrgine upside down. They'd then flick the syringe until the large airspace had filtered to the top (needle end) of the syringe and depress plunger until they got a tiny drop of HcG coming out. Then it was simply a SubQ injection into (with both guys) the stomach area roughly with a 10" circle of the navel.

In reading around o the different forums - as I'm kind of new to this - I just wondered what type experiences members over here may have had.

(I currently am on a regimen of doing Test Cyp twice a week. 60mg on Thursday morning and 40 mg on Sunday evening and 200 IUs of HcG on Wednesday morning and 300 IUs of HcG on Saturday evening. SubQ injections for the HcG and Quad IM injections for the Test Cyp. Also 1/4 tab of Arimidex twice a week... don't want to see a protocol initiated that might increase estrogen levels is why I am asking).
 
HondoElroy said:
Anyone have good results from doing SubQ T injections - without a corresponding rise in Estrogen levels?

Also, if you do use that method, do you do the SubQ injections into the stomach area around the navel (like with HcG) or what?

And finally, have any of you tried doing T and HcG simultaneously with same syringe/needle. I read on one of the forums (can't even recall how recently much less find it now) about a couple of guys who were doing it that way - with seemingly good results.

As I recall, they would draw the HcG normally, then remove the piston plunger and inject the previously drawn Test from another larger needle syringe into the cylinder of the inuslin syringe, then reinsert the piston lunger and turn the syrgine upside down. They'd then flick the syringe until the large airspace had filtered to the top (needle end) of the syringe and depress plunger until they got a tiny drop of HcG coming out. Then it was simply a SubQ injection into (with both guys) the stomach area roughly with a 10" circle of the navel.

In reading around o the different forums - as I'm kind of new to this - I just wondered what type experiences members over here may have had.

(I currently am on a regimen of doing Test Cyp twice a week. 60mg on Thursday morning and 40 mg on Sunday evening and 200 IUs of HcG on Wednesday morning and 300 IUs of HcG on Saturday evening. SubQ injections for the HcG and Quad IM injections for the Test Cyp. Also 1/4 tab of Arimidex twice a week... don't want to see a protocol initiated that might increase estrogen levels is why I am asking).
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That sounds like asolid game plan What are your numbers before the TRT. Some may find going more injections may actually raise there e2 (may be due to increase aromatize I do not know, but over time some may) after 5 weeks retest and see where numbers are at :)
 
hardasnails1973 said:
That sounds like asolid game plan What are your numbers before the TRT. Some may find going more injections may actually raise there e2 (may be due to increase aromatize I do not know, but over time some may) after 5 weeks retest and see where numbers are at :)
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I have already been on this program for much longer than five weeks (LOL)... am not a "rookie" with this field. Actually - as would make sense - my E levels (E2 as well as total Es) went down slightly when switching to this protocol.

Historically.... What was problem with original TRT of doing 400 mg of Test injections once a month?

Roller coaster effect - and doing a lot of Test at one time caused rise in E levels. So evolving to doing 200mg of Test injections every two weeks was a step in the right direction. However... still quite a bit of a roller coaster ride AND higher levels of E.

So the newer evolution was to go to 100 mg of Test injections once a week. And many guys do well at that position. But guys sensitive to aromatization and / or sensitive to extra E production found that 100 mg of Test injected once a week was still too much.

So the next evolution is / was going to two IM injections a week, Most doing 50 mg every 3.5 days however I'm more comfortable with the 60 mg Monday morning and 40 mg Thursday nite routine. *Plus the HcG subQ injection 24 hrs before and Arimidex dose every 3 days).

Only makes sense. It is not the numbers of injections that cause aromatization of T to E, it is the amount of T present that can be aromatized to E.

I don't know what you mean by "what were your numbers before TRT"... Are you talking about my numbers before going onto this program, or my numbers before doing ANY type of TRT. It sounds like you are asking the latter. If that is the case, then I can tell you that my Total T levels (range 220 - 1000) was 143 (just over age 50).
 
HondoElroy said:
Anyone have good results from doing SubQ T injections - without a corresponding rise in Estrogen levels?

Also, if you do use that method, do you do the SubQ injections into the stomach area around the navel (like with HcG) or what?

And finally, have any of you tried doing T and HcG simultaneously with same syringe/needle. I read on one of the forums (can't even recall how recently much less find it now) about a couple of guys who were doing it that way - with seemingly good results.

As I recall, they would draw the HcG normally, then remove the piston plunger and inject the previously drawn Test from another larger needle syringe into the cylinder of the inuslin syringe, then reinsert the piston lunger and turn the syrgine upside down. They'd then flick the syringe until the large airspace had filtered to the top (needle end) of the syringe and depress plunger until they got a tiny drop of HcG coming out. Then it was simply a SubQ injection into (with both guys) the stomach area roughly with a 10" circle of the navel.

In reading around o the different forums - as I'm kind of new to this - I just wondered what type experiences members over here may have had.

(I currently am on a regimen of doing Test Cyp twice a week. 60mg on Thursday morning and 40 mg on Sunday evening and 200 IUs of HcG on Wednesday morning and 300 IUs of HcG on Saturday evening. SubQ injections for the HcG and Quad IM injections for the Test Cyp. Also 1/4 tab of Arimidex twice a week... don't want to see a protocol initiated that might increase estrogen levels is why I am asking).
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Since 6/19/07 I am on Depo-t injections.
I do 60mg T each shot and 500iu hcg at the same time with another syringe, E3D, every three days schedule, next two days free of shots.
At the same time as I do shots I take 0.5cc LiquiDex.
My testicles do not work, they fluctuate in size and cosistency over the three days. I had more consistency with my previous E2D 250iu schedule, but for sake of keeping my routine simple I do E3D. Guys who worry about fertility should be more careful in this area.
My next blood test is in September, will post results.
Off hand I think it works ok.

I do subq around navel with 31ga 3/10cc 5/16" long needle.

Low SHBG levels are conducive to roller coaster, to prevent it use more frequent shots.
More frequent shots with large needles are damaging and reason for soreness,
for two reasons
large needle more damage
large needle, shot is very quick, volume of shot damages tissue, cause for pain.

With 31ga needle it takes me about a minute to complete injection (I am still attempting to slow the process down). 10 minutes latter no soreness at all.

5/16" needle is wery short.
At first I had tiny drop of oil showing up, now after the injection is completed I do not pull the needle out for another 10 sec or so, nothing shows up on skin.
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Anybody who is familiar wit insuline pens?
They have even shorter needle.
Is it possible to fill them up from testosterone vial??
 
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