Unusual training approach: "EOD feeder exercises for ALL muscles"

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  1. There is a good workout program on T-Nation laid out pretty much exactly like you have this set up here. Great thinking, and yes it will work!
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  2. Oh also if doing feeder sets you want to have both carbs and either EEA's or protein already in your system before the feeder sets. No benefit in feeder sets with empty blood. So get started with easily digested protein and carbs 30-40 minutes before, and use an intra shake with them in it as well so you are truly "Feeding" with the feeder sets. Otherwise you are just increasing volume and getting a pump. Still a benefit but not a FEEDER set.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by BEAST73 View Post
    @hairygrandpa,this workout method sounds like My routine workout.
    Finally! Your secret got exposed!
    Now we all gonna look like you, muhahaha!
    (But I gonna skip your crazy cardio sessions....)
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    There is a good workout program on T-Nation laid out pretty much exactly like you have this set up here. Great thinking, and yes it will work!
    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Oh also if doing feeder sets you want to have both carbs and either EEA's or protein already in your system before the feeder sets. No benefit in feeder sets with empty blood. So get started with easily digested protein and carbs 30-40 minutes before, and use an intra shake with them in it as well so you are truly "Feeding" with the feeder sets. Otherwise you are just increasing volume and getting a pump. Still a benefit but not a FEEDER set.
    Sh1t -and I thought I invented a new workout. Good call on the "eat before feeder"! I always train fasted, have to switch this around for feeder days.
    Life is fair it's your expectations that aren't.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
    Sh1t -and I thought I invented a new workout. Good call on the "eat before feeder"! I always train fasted, have to switch this around for feeder days.
    You did invent it. Someone else just invented it first. Takes nothing away from your ingenuity.

    Yes that is why I mentioned it, it requires a slight modification to your typical eating protocol.
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  6. YOu might just try a scoop of Whey Isolate, and a normal size snickers bar... has some fat to help keep you from going hypo, and nice bit of sodium and a little potassium. It most definitely helped with all my workouts where I hadn't had carbs previously in the day... Now if you think that will set you off into eating poorly then don't do it but it is a nice and well timed tool in that specific scenario.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    There is a good workout program on T-Nation laid out pretty much exactly like you have this set up here. Great thinking, and yes it will work!
    It will not work! It's a waste of of energy and will deplete his cellular flux capacitors!

    ....just seeing if I can get you to argue. It's been a while since we've had a good debate.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    YOu might just try a scoop of Whey Isolate, and a normal size snickers bar... has some fat to help keep you from going hypo, and nice bit of sodium and a little potassium. It most definitely helped with all my workouts where I hadn't had carbs previously in the day... Now if you think that will set you off into eating poorly then don't do it but it is a nice and well timed tool in that specific scenario.
    Thinking alike! Will use a modified super-hydration intra workout shake:
    -Glycerol
    -creatine
    -25gr whey
    -magnesium
    -zinc
    -potassium citrate
    -plain sugar (3 Ts)

    I have my "one meal a day" an hour later, always with a handful of peanuts. That should cover it.

    My small blast is over, upping test to 500mg/w for a few weeks, later introducing sdrol again (have a tub that has to go) for a 3 weeks blast -after that its TRT time and evaluating the new training results.
    Life is fair it's your expectations that aren't.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    YOu might just try a scoop of Whey Isolate, and a normal size snickers bar... has some fat to help keep you from going hypo, and nice bit of sodium and a little potassium. It most definitely helped with all my workouts where I hadn't had carbs previously in the day... Now if you think that will set you off into eating poorly then don't do it but it is a nice and well timed tool in that specific scenario.
    Multiple WSM winner Mariusz Pudzianowski was famous for eating multiple snickers intraworkout routinely. Must have been the secret:

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Multiple WSM winner Mariusz Pudzianowski was famous for eating multiple snickers intraworkout routinely. Must have been the secret:

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  11. I guess it was the "Snickerbolan" that helped.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
    I guess it was the "Snickerbolan" that helped.
    I always knew the Snickers were spiked !!
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  13. I've actually tried this a little and it's tough as hell if you push it. I've also tried working out bodyparts 3 times a week for 3 weeks and then going back to 1 time. It can definitely work and from what I've read over training comes slowly.

    Example week 1 you have 100% effectiveness and week two maybe 75.. When this hits 25% its time to rest (to explain it very basic)

    I also like the idea of lifting heavy one day, medium second and light the third day.

    I did this on cycle and I don't know if my diet had something to do with it but I felt my arms finally started growing again and I got more definition. Since I've been working out normally before on gear it's easy to compare and I have nothing bad to say about it.

    Now working out every bodypart might be too much so instead doing arms 3 times a week and then legs etc woult probably be better. You'd still work out every body part much more this way then one time/week.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    It will not work! It's a waste of of energy and will deplete his cellular flux capacitors!

    ....just seeing if I can get you to argue. It's been a while since we've had a good debate.
    Yes but now the flux capacitors run on waste, and he is full of sh!t so there is an endless supply...



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    Quote Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
    Thinking alike! Will use a modified super-hydration intra workout shake:
    -Glycerol
    -creatine
    -25gr whey
    -magnesium
    -zinc
    -potassium citrate
    -plain sugar (3 Ts)

    I have my "one meal a day" an hour later, always with a handful of peanuts. That should cover it.

    My small blast is over, upping test to 500mg/w for a few weeks, later introducing sdrol again (have a tub that has to go) for a 3 weeks blast -after that its TRT time and evaluating the new training results.
    Very nice, not going to lie, I am completely jealous! Also would rather you drank some grape juice or add in dextrose powder, something rather than just table sugar. You want dextrose, not fructose, both will cause an insulin spike but the fructose is more likely to be taken up in the liver first, and the dextrose is more likely to go into the muscles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Multiple WSM winner Mariusz Pudzianowski was famous for eating multiple snickers intraworkout routinely. Must have been the secret:

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    Obviously! Lots of guys use snickers a little bit before going on state to increase the pump and vascularity too.

    Quote Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
    I guess it was the "Snickerbolan" that helped.
    You know it...
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket3015 View Post
    I always knew the Snickers were spiked !!
    Yeahm they are very anabolic, Snickers are nothing to laugh at....
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  15. By the way I wanted to clarify the methodology here, or the idea that this will grow the whole body in similar fashion to doing regular feeder sets to catch up a lagging body part.

    The reason this works when trying to do a specific body part is that you are lifting with normal or lower volume / frequency with the rest of the body. This frees up some of your body's recovery ability to be applied in the area that is now getting more volume and frequency through the added feeder sets. Hence the increased growth in that area while focusing on it.

    Now doing what you are doing by using the feeder method for the whole body is not saving any recovery for one lagging body part, so you will not see as marked increase in growth in all areas because you are spreading the gains throughout your body again. However you are likely increasing recovery with the feeder sets as they should never be heavy, just high rep burners... causing a ton of nutrients to get in and creating some metabolic signals for growth. Doing that and shuttling in the nutrition is going to aid in recovery while adding volume and frequency so you should still see great results. However do not expect the type of growth you see people get from a single or couple body parts doing this to bring them up, as you are not focusing your recovery ability on one muscle so the gains will be everywhere not hyperfocused to a single body part like arms... So don't expect the entire body to grow at a rapid pace like that. We have a limited recovery ability so it can be focused to bring up lagging parts, or for the whole body. Used either way, it is a sound training system.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    By the way I wanted to clarify the methodology here, or the idea that this will grow the whole body in similar fashion to doing regular feeder sets to catch up a lagging body part.

    The reason this works when trying to do a specific body part is that you are lifting with normal or lower volume / frequency with the rest of the body. This frees up some of your body's recovery ability to be applied in the area that is now getting more volume and frequency through the added feeder sets. Hence the increased growth in that area while focusing on it.

    Now doing what you are doing by using the feeder method for the whole body is not saving any recovery for one lagging body part, so you will not see as marked increase in growth in all areas because you are spreading the gains throughout your body again. However you are likely increasing recovery with the feeder sets as they should never be heavy, just high rep burners... causing a ton of nutrients to get in and creating some metabolic signals for growth. Doing that and shuttling in the nutrition is going to aid in recovery while adding volume and frequency so you should still see great results. However do not expect the type of growth you see people get from a single or couple body parts doing this to bring them up, as you are not focusing your recovery ability on one muscle so the gains will be everywhere not hyperfocused to a single body part like arms... So don't expect the entire body to grow at a rapid pace like that. We have a limited recovery ability so it can be focused to bring up lagging parts, or for the whole body. Used either way, it is a sound training system.
    Makes sense. But hey, I gonna do it anyway -and a little juice may help too -don't forget the juice!!!!

    Besides, this is planed for 8 weeks with the last 3 weeks on superdrol (30mg/d) + test (500mg/w). Not a life long thing -but an ultimate effort before the beach, you feel me?
    Life is fair it's your expectations that aren't.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Chados View Post
    I've actually tried this a little and it's tough as hell if you push it. I've also tried working out bodyparts 3 times a week for 3 weeks and then going back to 1 time. It can definitely work and from what I've read over training comes slowly.

    Example week 1 you have 100% effectiveness and week two maybe 75.. When this hits 25% its time to rest (to explain it very basic)

    I also like the idea of lifting heavy one day, medium second and light the third day.

    I did this on cycle and I don't know if my diet had something to do with it but I felt my arms finally started growing again and I got more definition. Since I've been working out normally before on gear it's easy to compare and I have nothing bad to say about it.

    Now working out every bodypart might be too much so instead doing arms 3 times a week and then legs etc woult probably be better. You'd still work out every body part much more this way then one time/week.
    I bet you've "overdone" it. The feeder days are not taxing, like 75%. More like stopping right when a pump comes up. I'm an old fart and I already figured that I need way more rest than anticipated. Its basically an active rest day.
    Will not be easy, as I have to control myself not to push it... sometimes, when aggression sets in, I really go crazy on the weights.
    Life is fair it's your expectations that aren't.

  18. Deload day

    Nothing unusual to report. Did a full body "tutti frutti" workout without breaking a sweat.
    Deload days are good to focus on the firm female butts around you.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
    Deload day

    Nothing unusual to report. Did a full body "tutti frutti" workout without breaking a sweat.
    Deload days are good to focus on the firm female butts around you.
    You got to keep those Eye Balls in shape .... Good Work Out

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  20. @<u><a href="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/member.php?u=223016" target="_blank">hairygrandpa</a></u>, I'm going to semi-hijack for a moment, sorry. In your previous log we had a discussion about biceps curls and how I've been doing them with my elbows more stabilized and it feels almost like a half rep or 3/4 rep. MrKleen73, as is his usual style, had a lot of input around this and it was a good discussion.

    At any rate, I know most of us really like the AthleanX videos - the guy is top notch IMO - and I just came across one of his videos that perfectly describes what I was talking about, and I think also acknowledges a lot of what Kleen was talking about. My take on this is that I have a poor movement pattern that I need to correct and MrKleen describes how the movement pattern should be, and this video combines the two.

    https://youtu.be/RqZIRSUqQ7Y
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  21. Last deload day

    Took my 13 year old daughter to the gym. I asked her beforehand: "You have to chose for your first time in the gym: A - All muscles until failure and afterwards 5 days of hell (doms) -or B: -a little bit of everything and it will hurt for weeks to come, but less."
    She choose : A

    "A" it was. 2 sets to failure, 12 exercises, full body.

    She liked it and ask if we go Monday again. I said: "Sure, I'll ask you on Monday if you still want to go."

    On Wednesday she has a camp with her school class, with lots of sports, LMAO!
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
    Last deload day

    Took my 13 year old daughter to the gym. I asked her beforehand: "You have to chose for your first time in the gym: A - All muscles until failure and afterwards 5 days of hell (doms) -or B: -a little bit of everything and it will hurt for weeks to come, but less."
    She choose : A

    "A" it was. 2 sets to failure, 12 exercises, full body.

    She liked it and ask if we go Monday again. I said: "Sure, I'll ask you on Monday if you still want to go."

    On Wednesday she has a camp with her school class, with lots of sports, LMAO!
    That’s really cool.. I like seeing the youth taking charge of their health at a early age.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
    Makes sense. But hey, I gonna do it anyway -and a little juice may help too -don't forget the juice!!!!

    Besides, this is planed for 8 weeks with the last 3 weeks on superdrol (30mg/d) + test (500mg/w). Not a life long thing -but an ultimate effort before the beach, you feel me?
    Oh like I said, you will still get the increased recovery, and added volume from it regardless, so it will definitely be an effective program. I was just saying that you only have X amount of recovery ability, and if you spread it around you won't get the outstanding growth in one area like the guy who added an inch by doing it on just his arms... Oh Yeah... The juice will help too.

    Remember there really isn't anything magical about the feeder sets, they are simply adding frequency and volume without creating additional breakdown. The more frequently you can stimulate a muscle and it still recover the more growth you will achieve.

    Quote Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
    I bet you've "overdone" it. The feeder days are not taxing, like 75%. More like stopping right when a pump comes up. I'm an old fart and I already figured that I need way more rest than anticipated. Its basically an active rest day.
    Will not be easy, as I have to control myself not to push it... sometimes, when aggression sets in, I really go crazy on the weights.
    Well while you should not be approaching failure, you should feel the burn, and go deep into the pump, just no need to get into failure. Those types of high intensity pump sets are highly effective too, but are often their own workout due to causing more muscle damage so they need more recovery, rather than facilitate it. The goal is stimulation not annihilation, sounds like @HIT4ME was hitting it more along the lines of a stand alone high intensity pump workout, which if other volume and intensity wasn't adjusted down would run into recovery issues done with the frequency of a feeder set.
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