The High-Jinx Log: Celebrations of My Reincarnations

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by herderdude View Post
    That's right where I feel it. Perhaps I lose focus on the retraction or never thought about it for that particular movement. Sometimes when I do my assistance stuff, I kind of throw out the rules of organizing the shoulders, hips, core, whatever may be the case, and just do what hits the muscle I'm trying to work.
    Are you using a cable, rather than bar? Totally different experience. The bar is really hard on the shoulders because of trajectory of bar path/forces. I had abandoned them on the bar altogether, and then a friend suggested cable, with some supporting literature, maybe even a study -- whatever it was, it was compelling -- and ive been a convert ever since.

    At least for me, even doing these light makes my traps colossal. From a BB perspective, i find them far more efficient than shrugs, in terms of traps development, as well as hitting anterior and medial heads. Great exercise, IMO.

    Give them a try, really light and strict. You may be surprised by what it yields.
    "The Iron never lies to you."~Henry Rollins
    "People have to get away from the dogma that it's all free weights or all machines. They can have sex. You can do both."~Dave Tate


  2. Worked shoulders yesterday, and wouldn't normally work chest the following day, but i am stubborn and determined to lift around this injury, so that is what i attempted to do, with some success.

    Reverse-grip Bench Press (slow and very deliberate)
    45 x 10
    95 x 10
    135 x 10
    165 x 8
    185 x 8
    205 x 6
    225 x 4
    185 x 6
    Notes: Some pain at 205+, but not too bad. However, it did affect my bar path somewhat, which impacted my power. Still, not too bad.

    Pec Dec
    3 x 10

    Free-Motion Chest
    3 x 10

    Nautilus Iso-lateral Tri Extensions
    3 x 15-20

    Single-armed Reverse Tricep Pushdowns
    3 x 10-15

    Pulley Crunches
    3 x 15-20

    Screw it, let's get a little back in as tomorrow is a travel day, and the next a holiday ...

    Lat Pulldowns
    120 x 10
    150 x 10
    170 x 10

    Hyperextensions
    3 x (BW + 45) x 15

    Happy Thanksgiving all!
    "The Iron never lies to you."~Henry Rollins
    "People have to get away from the dogma that it's all free weights or all machines. They can have sex. You can do both."~Dave Tate
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  3. Strongest reverse grip bencher in the game since Anthony Clark! I wouldn't have a clue what to do with my hands on the "wrong" side of the bar.
    Training log:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240172-herders-2014-log.html

  4. Quote Originally Posted by herderdude View Post
    Strongest reverse grip bencher in the game since Anthony Clark! I wouldn't have a clue what to do with my hands on the "wrong" side of the bar.

    Thanks, but pfffft.

    i just started training the movement again around 3 months ago, as a work around elbow and shoulder pain. But i do recall it coming naturally for me when i trained it many moons ago, pounding out sets of 8-10 x 225. My triceps and pec minor are pretty strong and explosive, as are my delts. I hit 275 lbs after a good amount of work around 8 weeks ago. Had set a goal of 300 by year end, which seemed entirely realistic to me at the time. Not so, now. Everything needs to remain submaximal, for multiple reps, which is already a far cry from the former bright line, machines and pulleys only, sets of 8+, lol.

    Anyway, thanks bud. It may be the one think i got going that will grab me a little attention, lol.
    "The Iron never lies to you."~Henry Rollins
    "People have to get away from the dogma that it's all free weights or all machines. They can have sex. You can do both."~Dave Tate

  5. I tried them on a decline once years ago. It was pretty natural on a decline, but it bothered my wrist, so I scrapped it. I think I was going for the medial tricep head at the time. Now, I use the line of thinking "Hey Justin, what do you to hit your supra-intra-medial magnanimous superior muscle really hard?" "Simple, I load up the bar until it's really heavy and then I do it for reps."

    Takes a lot more routine maintenance to be able to do that, probably left a few gaping holes in my physique which I won't find until I lose about 30lbs of fat, but as far as mass goes, that is easily the best strategy.
    Training log:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240172-herders-2014-log.html
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by herderdude View Post
    I tried them on a decline once years ago. It was pretty natural on a decline, but it bothered my wrist, so I scrapped it. I think I was going for the medial tricep head at the time. Now, I use the line of thinking "Hey Justin, what do you to hit your supra-intra-medial magnanimous superior muscle really hard?" "Simple, I load up the bar until it's really heavy and then I do it for reps."

    Takes a lot more routine maintenance to be able to do that, probably left a few gaping holes in my physique which I won't find until I lose about 30lbs of fat, but as far as mass goes, that is easily the best strategy.
    I do it because i cant do what you do. With your strength, i doubt there are any parts, well muscles anyway, that gape.
    "The Iron never lies to you."~Henry Rollins
    "People have to get away from the dogma that it's all free weights or all machines. They can have sex. You can do both."~Dave Tate

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post

    I do it because i cant do what you do. With your strength, i doubt there are any parts, well muscles anyway, that gape.
    I lol'd. Possibly woke up family members from the lols.
    Training log:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240172-herders-2014-log.html

  8. Quote Originally Posted by herderdude View Post
    the lols.
    Okay, gaping hole.
    "The Iron never lies to you."~Henry Rollins
    "People have to get away from the dogma that it's all free weights or all machines. They can have sex. You can do both."~Dave Tate

  9. Subbed for gaping holes!

    Strong reverse pressin you're hittin up again!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    Subbed for gaping holes!

    Strong reverse pressin you're hittin up again!
    I subbed you back in spades, brah.

    My body is decimated after hitting it pretty hard ~5 times in a week, on the heels of the better part of a month off. Slept on the heating pad last night.

    The accountability system works, indeed much better for me than in a constipating (for me), closed forum, lol. And damn am i gonna look good next to that stuffed turkey and dressing, Thursday. Shyte is going to be hole gaping, Herder style.

    What do i need to do to the hole to get rep power, lol?
    "The Iron never lies to you."~Henry Rollins
    "People have to get away from the dogma that it's all free weights or all machines. They can have sex. You can do both."~Dave Tate
  11. Training log:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240172-herders-2014-log.html

  12. You're awesome, dude. Perhaps we can salvage this ass-torn log after all, with some prep H, of course.
    "The Iron never lies to you."~Henry Rollins
    "People have to get away from the dogma that it's all free weights or all machines. They can have sex. You can do both."~Dave Tate

  13. Jinxie - quick question on your numbers.

    OHP
    45 x 10
    95 x 8 (ouch; done)

    I assume by OHP, this is with a barbell? Are you pressing just the bar in your first set, then adding some weight?
    I'm surprised this hurt you if you're pressing 45# DBs! The OHP press is more of a compound movement, so I would've expected less pain. Where is the pain located for you when doing OHP?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Jinxie - quick question on your numbers.

    OHP
    45 x 10
    95 x 8 (ouch; done)

    I assume by OHP, this is with a barbell? Are you pressing just the bar in your first set, then adding some weight?
    I'm surprised this hurt you if you're pressing 45# DBs! The OHP press is more of a compound movement, so I would've expected less pain. Where is the pain located for you when doing OHP?
    You would expect less rotator cuff pain with an OHP because it's a compound movement? That makes no sense to me.


    FWIW, my wife has a torn labrum (probably), and she can't properly lock out a barbell OHP because she can't get the weight back at the top and it ends up being a little in front of her. NG stuff seems to be ok though jinxie, in case you hadn't tried that yet.

  15. A compound movement utilizes various stabilizers to assist in the movement whereas an isolation movement puts more force on the direct target (rotator cuff).

    Lifting 100 pounds overhead with DBs is much harder on the rotator cuff than 100 pounds via barbell, since the force is much more targeted...On a barbell, the load is spread out and shared bilaterally.....or so I would think, it's just logical.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    FWIW, my wife has a torn labrum (probably), and she can't properly lock out a barbell OHP because she can't get the weight back at the top and it ends up being a little in front of her. .
    I've recovered from 1 labrum repair, and now have a 2nd tear I'm dealing with. Seems like SLAP tears are so much more common than I had thought!!

    The weight at the top of an OHP, when locked out, is supported via the traps and triceps, but mainly by the traps. Where is the pain occurring for her at the top of her OHP? Perhaps it's a mobility issue. I would have her do the broom stretch daily, and do band work for the rotator cuff. This is exactly what I do for my current tear, and it's not causing any issues anymore (no need for surgery at the moment on the new tear).

  17. Ohp's are murder on my repaired labrum, and the one that's torn now - by MRI.



  18. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    I've recovered from 1 labrum repair, and now have a 2nd tear I'm dealing with. Seems like SLAP tears are so much more common than I had thought!!

    The weight at the top of an OHP, when locked out, is supported via the traps and triceps, but mainly by the traps. Where is the pain occurring for her at the top of her OHP? Perhaps it's a mobility issue. I would have her do the broom stretch daily, and do band work for the rotator cuff. This is exactly what I do for my current tear, and it's not causing any issues anymore (no need for surgery at the moment on the new tear).
    But, there are many different ways you can injure the RC, they might all be torn labrum but the location of the tear can be different which would cause different movements to hurt different people.


    When done correctly the bench press is not an issue for her, and it is a mobility thing to a point. I already have her do all of that, and it helps to a point, but the fact remains that due to the injury she cannot OHP without pain.

    And, as per your thoughts on barbell to dumbbell, the dumbbell will use more stabilizers but there isn't a fixed bar path so it doesn't force the shoulder to move in a certain way like holding onto a BB can. With a DB, the motion can be tweaked in ways that don't cause pain, but with BB movements the bar path is fixed (like I mentioned) so it is harder to minimize the associated pain.

    Plus, working the stabilizers of the rotactor cuff is a good thing if the labrum is torn because strengthening the surrounding muscles can create a false labrum to help keep the joint stable.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    But, there are many different ways you can injure the RC, they might all be torn labrum but the location of the tear can be different which would cause different movements to hurt different people.

    When done correctly the bench press is not an issue for her, and it is a mobility thing to a point. I already have her do all of that, and it helps to a point, but the fact remains that due to the injury she cannot OHP without pain.

    And, as per your thoughts on barbell to dumbbell, the dumbbell will use more stabilizers but there isn't a fixed bar path so it doesn't force the shoulder to move in a certain way like holding onto a BB can. With a DB, the motion can be tweaked in ways that don't cause pain, but with BB movements the bar path is fixed (like I mentioned) so it is harder to minimize the associated pain.

    Plus, working the stabilizers of the rotactor cuff is a good thing if the labrum is torn because strengthening the surrounding muscles can create a false labrum to help keep the joint stable.
    I was actually thinking the barbell would be easier overall, since I'm able to load up far more weight on it vs dumbbells. I think that goes the same for most people. I certainly can't bench 125# DBs, but I can bench 250 with a barbell for reps normally. The barbell utilizes compounds movements, more muscle groups, so the load is spread out more vs how targeted DBs are. So I'm still confused with how OHP can be an issue for some people vs DB press, if mobility isn't the main issue. I'm learning though since I'm going through this myself, so I'm not challenging as much per say as explaining the logic that I see.

    Is it the position of the movement that stresses the repair in a specific way?
    OHP is something that I just completely cut out after my surgery, out of caution. I just use bands and cables and for size it's been completely fine, but I'd love to work OHP back into my routine. I used to be able to 1RM 185# OH, and want to blast that number away one day..just worried about reinjuring by going overhead again.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    Ohp's are murder on my repaired labrum, and the one that's torn now - by MRI.



    Yeah I've cut them completely out. I was doing them for a while after my surgery but then I decided I just didn't want to risk it. The strange thing is I got to the point post-op (last summer) where I was OHP'ing 135 for reps with no pain, while having 1 SLAP repair (w/bicep tenodesis) and another unrepaired SLAP tear. I hadn't pressed overhead at all up till then, and just decided to test it out and see what I could work up to, and everything felt fine. I really want to work this back in...just really worried about pressing any weight off form / with internal rotation. Lately all I've been working on are corrective exercises because I've been so paranoid about causing further injury.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    I was actually thinking the barbell would be easier overall, since I'm able to load up far more weight on it vs dumbbells. I think that goes the same for most people. I certainly can't bench 125# DBs, but I can bench 250 with a barbell for reps normally. The barbell utilizes compounds movements, more muscle groups, so the load is spread out more vs how targeted DBs are. So I'm still confused with how OHP can be an issue for some people vs DB press, if mobility isn't the main issue. I'm learning though since I'm going through this myself, so I'm not challenging as much per say as explaining the logic that I see.

    Is it the position of the movement that stresses the repair in a specific way?
    OHP is something that I just completely cut out after my surgery, out of caution. I just use bands and cables and for size it's been completely fine, but I'd love to work OHP back into my routine. I used to be able to 1RM 185# OH, and want to blast that number away one day..just worried about reinjuring by going overhead again.
    Why would you think a barbell OHP would use more muscles than a DB OHP? They are the same compound (multi-joint) movement, involving the same muscles, except the DB works the stabilizer muscles more.


    The BB is going to be easier as far as weight moved is concerned because it doesn't require as much stabilization. But, that doesn't make it easier on the joint because of the fixed bar path and grip angle. With the DBs you can rotate the wrists freely to allow for less RC stress and ultimately less pain/inflammation.


    As far as your case is concerned, I would say you could do any exercises that don't hurt the injury. That's what we do with my wife, if it hurts we cut it and use another alternative, then a few months later (with the constant rehab exercises) we try again to gauge her progress.

  22. Fwiw, I can't say the OHPs hurt meaningfully more than the seated DB presses. I was already somewhat fatigued from the Arnold Presses. I usually go up to around 45 or so on those, but even 35s is a fair amount of weight if done strictly 8/8/5 with flyes, as I do them.However, I generally concur with @jimbuick and @napalm. Though I am quite relatively strong on OHPs, when I get to 155+ (even though 135 x 10 is no problem), things start to hurt across clavicle and a/c joints moreso than heavy seated DB presses.As a matter of further background, I have had 7 shoulder surgeries. Bilateral distal clavicular excision with subacromial decompression. Bilateral labral repairs and RC debridement. Bilateral biceps tenodesis, along with further labral repairs and acromplasty. And then a corrective tenodesis after a full rupture, one week post surgery. So at this juncture, I am pretty dialed in on what I can and can't do, and what's causing the pain. YMMV.Appreciate the input. Just a friendly reminder, I would like to keep my log a civil place, though spirited debate is promoted, and I thank you each for your valuable input.Happy Thanksgiving all!
    "The Iron never lies to you."~Henry Rollins
    "People have to get away from the dogma that it's all free weights or all machines. They can have sex. You can do both."~Dave Tate

  23. Happy turkey day ma man. Best Holliday ever. It won the award...for best Holliday ever. Over eat and watch football for the win.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Happy turkey day ma man. Best Holliday ever. It won the award...for best Holliday ever. Over eat and watch football for the win.
    Like wise, and thanks much Rob!

    Weather is sucking here in South Fla.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    Like wise, and thanks much Rob! Weather is sucking here in South Fla.
    Screw you lol cold n windy here!!
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