Sweetlou's training log

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  1. 3/21/14-DE Bench
    DE Bench w/ Chains
    165+40lbsx8x3
    Comp Grip Incline Bench w/ Shoulder Saver
    185x5,5,5
    Pull-ups, various grips
    10,8,8,6,6
    Side Raises/DB Curls
    15/25x15/10 3 sets

    3/22/14-DE Lower
    Squat
    225x3x3
    275x1
    335x1
    425x1 in ace briefs, got a new pair of squat shoes so I wanted to test them just a little.
    DE Pulls sumo/conv
    275+50lbs chainx8x1
    Barbell Shrugs/GHRs/Side Bends
    315x8/bwx15/45x12 2 sets

    3/24/14-ME Bench
    Reverse Light Band Bench
    275x3
    315x3
    335x3, took off about 60lbs at bottom not much at the top.
    DB Complex
    oh-60x10
    flat-60x10
    incline-60x10
    decline-60x10
    Kroc Rows
    100x25 each arm
    Jm Press/Pullapart Complex
    135x10/10 each way
    135x10/10 each way
    135x10/10 overhand and underhand only
    Notes: Left shoulder is bothering me some. So I called it there on bench today, was just about 90% for me. Not to hard.


  2. 3/26/14-Me lower
    Conv deadlift off 4 inch block
    495 w/ hook gripx1
    525 w/ hook gripx1
    545 reg gripx1
    Bulgarian split squats
    25lb barx10
    45Lb barx10
    65lb barx10
    85Lb barx10
    Hypers
    Bwx12,12,12
    Leg raises
    Bwx15
    Bw+5lbx12,12
    Conditioning
    4 laps with prowler high handles.
    Notes: got the weight I wanted today. Was a brutal lift.
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  3. Nice work.

    Block deadlifts can be rough, though they are a bit easier than rack pulls. My 2" block deadlift is actually well below my floor deadlift, haha.
    Check your form: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/190675-proper-techniques.html
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/235436-tossing-weight-torobestia.html

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    Nice work.

    Block deadlifts can be rough, though they are a bit easier than rack pulls. My 2" block deadlift is actually well below my floor deadlift, haha.
    I know many guys like that. My 525 block pull felt harder then my 525 pull off the floor. It just feels like an entirely different groove.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post

    I know many guys like that. My 525 block pull felt harder then my 525 pull off the floor. It just feels like an entirely different groove.
    Totally agree with this. It's very different after you get so used to pulling from the floor. Half the time I don't even know where exactly to put my hips.
    Training log:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240172-herders-2014-log.html
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by herderdude View Post

    Totally agree with this. It's very different after you get so used to pulling from the floor. Half the time I don't even know where exactly to put my hips.
    I just try to sit back and almost fall back into the pull to best simulate pulling from the floor. This is what Dave Tate has said about block and pin pulls.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    I just try to sit back and almost fall back into the pull to best simulate pulling from the floor. This is what Dave Tate has said about block and pin pulls.
    Yeah, I just get into whatever position I would be in if the exercise were just a snapshot in time of a pull from the floor. Otherwise instead of training for the deadlift I'd be training for the rack pull/block pull.
    Check your form: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/190675-proper-techniques.html
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/235436-tossing-weight-torobestia.html

  8. After being on a trt dose of 200mg a.week in one shot for so long dropping down to 150mg a week split into two.shots feels so much different. I lost about 4-5 lbs of what appears to be water and glycogen. Also had to bump cals from 3300 to 4000 to compensate energy wise for my lifts. Libido is down also.

  9. 3/28/14-De bench
    De floor press w/ doubled minis/de pull ups
    185+Bandsx3,3,3,3/bwx2,2,2,2
    155+Bandsx3,3,3,3/bwx2,2,2,2
    Close grip rack lockouts
    315X5
    365X5
    385X3
    225X10
    Neutral grip medium width pulldowns
    165X8,8
    Side raises/Db hammer curls
    10X12/20x10
    15X12/25x10
    20X12/30x10
    Notes: weight is stable at 220-221 yet I feel very dry and look noticibly leaner and less full. I feel weaker yet I am on par with my strength as before and even got a pr on rack lockouts. I dropped my 50mg dhea daily as blood work shows it's not needed so that could reduce my estrogen. Or that I split my shoot up twice a.week so more stable levels. Or my gear is underdosed or bunk. Guess I will ha e to.get bloodwork soon to find out what's going on.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    After being on a trt dose of 200mg a.week in one shot for so long dropping down to 150mg a week split into two.shots feels so much different. I lost about 4-5 lbs of what appears to be water and glycogen. Also had to bump cals from 3300 to 4000 to compensate energy wise for my lifts. Libido is down also.
    Are you saying the new regimen is worse overall or just worse for the gym? If you feel like 150 is not enough wrt quality of life, maybe you should go back up to 200/week again, but try splitting that dose into 2x100mg shots. I dont like hearing your libido is down, though that might be a bit more psychological than physiological.
    Check your form: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/190675-proper-techniques.html
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/235436-tossing-weight-torobestia.html

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post

    Are you saying the new regimen is worse overall or just worse for the gym? If you feel like 150 is not enough wrt quality of life, maybe you should go back up to 200/week again, but try splitting that dose into 2x100mg shots. I dont like hearing your libido is down, though that might be a bit more psychological than physiological.
    It's a multitude of issues. First being I lost my health insurance recently and.I just can not afford Obama care atm and all my other avenues for.coverage have stopped due to Obama care also. So I decided to just continue therapy as is best I could until I could resolve the issue. So now I have two separate brands of test. I decided to spend some time in the male anti aging section of the forum and read how to better my treatment, and what proper dhea levels are also. So I went from 200mg of test c in one shot, 50mg dhea, 2 erase per day to 200mg of one brand of test with 2 erase, 50mg dhea and I also tried formestane in this time period. That vial started to.core so I decided to try the other brand and lower the dose and split it up in an attempt to reduce my estrogen and need for an ai. I have blood work for 120mg and 200mg also I had done before I based this 150mg a week on. The 120 had me at about, 350 6 days after shot and 200 had me over 1200 6 days after shot. Also my dhea before supplementation was low 400s. So I decided to remove the dhea as my levels were not that low, and reduce test as well as split it into 2 shots, so 75mg twice a week. As I read splitting the shot up 2-3 days a week is better. Well no I am.very dry, nipple pain is gone which was present at previous protocol. But I am tired, lethargic, libido is down as is erection quality, and I am dry so to speak. Don't feel strong in my sessions either. So now I am wondering if this is just the removal in dhea, lower dose, and splitting the shots up keeping sides at bay of my test is underdosed or bunk. I will go to 100mg twice a week for a week's and.see how things progress and possibly get bloodwork done. I have several team mates rave about both brands so it makes me wonder about this second one.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    It's a multitude of issues. First being I lost my health insurance recently and.I just can not afford Obama care atm and all my other avenues for.coverage have stopped due to Obama care also. So I decided to just continue therapy as is best I could until I could resolve the issue. So now I have two separate brands of test. I decided to spend some time in the male anti aging section of the forum and read how to better my treatment, and what proper dhea levels are also. So I went from 200mg of test c in one shot, 50mg dhea, 2 erase per day to 200mg of one brand of test with 2 erase, 50mg dhea and I also tried formestane in this time period. That vial started to.core so I decided to try the other brand and lower the dose and split it up in an attempt to reduce my estrogen and need for an ai. I have blood work for 120mg and 200mg also I had done before I based this 150mg a week on. The 120 had me at about, 350 6 days after shot and 200 had me over 1200 6 days after shot. Also my dhea before supplementation was low 400s. So I decided to remove the dhea as my levels were not that low, and reduce test as well as split it into 2 shots, so 75mg twice a week. As I read splitting the shot up 2-3 days a week is better. Well no I am.very dry, nipple pain is gone which was present at previous protocol. But I am tired, lethargic, libido is down as is erection quality, and I am dry so to speak. Don't feel strong in my sessions either. So now I am wondering if this is just the removal in dhea, lower dose, and splitting the shots up keeping sides at bay of my test is underdosed or bunk. I will go to 100mg twice a week for a week's and.see how things progress and possibly get bloodwork done. I have several team mates rave about both brands so it makes me wonder about this second one.
    Oh. When you changed your shot regimen to 150, did you stay on the AIs? I'm starting to think now your E could be shot, which could also account for poor libido if it's that far gone. Anyways, maybe you should get bloods once you've been on this new protocol for a month (have you) before you decide how to change course. I was just saying if 200 was fine already minus the E control and high E-related issues (wet, nipple sensitivitiy) you could still split the shots and see how that goes.
    Check your form: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/190675-proper-techniques.html
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/235436-tossing-weight-torobestia.html

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    Oh. When you changed your shot regimen to 150, did you stay on the AIs? I'm starting to think now your E could be shot, which could also account for poor libido if it's that far gone. Anyways, maybe you should get bloods once you've been on this new protocol for a month (have you) before you decide how to change course. I was just saying if 200 was fine already minus the E control and high E-related issues (wet, nipple sensitivitiy) you could still split the shots and see how that goes.
    I discontinued the a.I.s as they didn't seem needed with how dry I was and no nipple pain. It has been 2 weeks actually. I will go back to 200mg with split shots and add back in the dhea as I was and leave it as I had it with the only variable I changed being the split into two shots for a month then get blood work in the month. Then based on how I feel and.it looks I will make a change as needed and then wait a month etc until I feel good and my blood work looks good. Thanks for the help. Do you happen to know if dhea has a negative feedback loop like test or other hormones since I was on 50mg orally for about a year straight. Do you think that could ha e caused the estrogen related issues and wetness also?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    I discontinued the a.I.s as they didn't seem needed with how dry I was and no nipple pain. It has been 2 weeks actually. I will go back to 200mg with split shots and add back in the dhea as I was and leave it as I had it with the only variable I changed being the split into two shots for a month then get blood work in the month. Then based on how I feel and.it looks I will make a change as needed and then wait a month etc until I feel good and my blood work looks good. Thanks for the help. Do you happen to know if dhea has a negative feedback loop like test or other hormones since I was on 50mg orally for about a year straight. Do you think that could ha e caused the estrogen related issues and wetness also?
    I'm not familiar with DHEA supplementation, so I can't comment on the protocol for DHEA.

    DHEA is going to be indirectly inhibitory depending on it's conversion rate to test in your body and on your genetic set point for testosterone. That's about all I can say on the matter.

    Here's SuppVersity on DHEA: http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013...p-seconds.html I dont know what you can get out of there that would be helpful. I will say I don't immediately see the benefit of supplementing with DHEA while on testosterone, though. I would either use pregnenolone or progesterone.
    Check your form: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/190675-proper-techniques.html
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/235436-tossing-weight-torobestia.html

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    I'm not familiar with DHEA supplementation, so I can't comment on the protocol for DHEA.

    DHEA is going to be indirectly inhibitory depending on it's conversion rate to test in your body and on your genetic set point for testosterone. That's about all I can say on the matter.

    Here's SuppVersity on DHEA: http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013...p-seconds.html I dont know what you can get out of there that would be helpful. I will say I don't immediately see the benefit of supplementing with DHEA while on testosterone, though. I would either use pregnenolone or progesterone.
    I will check it out when I get home. Thanks for all your help. I know this is a training log but I just felt like.discussing my current health issues hoping.someone would chime in. Progesterone supplementation for a guy? Or was that a just in general statement?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    I will check it out when I get home. Thanks for all your help. I know this is a training log but I just felt like.discussing my current health issues hoping.someone would chime in. Progesterone supplementation for a guy? Or was that a just in general statement?
    I've definitely come around to the idea of progesterone supplementation for men on TRT. There was a guy (who used to be) active on this board, a 40+ year old AM veteran, who first introduced me to the concept. I think his name was @Whacked .

    Anyways, I don't really remember what these links say, but here is an initial body of literature to refer to on progesterone supplementation for men. May take you some time to get through it all.

    Progesterone For Men – The Missing Link In Man Boob Reduction?
    Progesterone in Men | Bioidentical Hormones: Progesterone - Progesterone in Men | Bioidentical Hormones: Progesterone
    Progesterone in Men
    The Compounder - Estrogen Dominance In Men & Using a Progesterone Supplement
    http://www.aletriscenter.com/progesterone_men.pdf
    Contrarian Endocrinology Part 2 - Estrogen and Progesterone for Men
    The male contraceptive regimen of te... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI
    Check your form: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/exercise-science/190675-proper-techniques.html
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/235436-tossing-weight-torobestia.html

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    I've definitely come around to the idea of progesterone supplementation for men on TRT. There was a guy (who used to be) active on this board, a 40+ year old AM veteran, who first introduced me to the concept. I think his name was Whacked.

    Anyways, I don't really remember what these links say, but here is an initial body of literature to refer to on progesterone supplementation for men. May take you some time to get through it all.

    http://chestsculpting.com/progestero...oob-reduction/
    http://www.bodylogicmd.com/hormones-...n/progesterone
    http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Progesterone_Men.aspx
    http://www.thecompounder.com/alterna...minance-in-men
    http://www.aletriscenter.com/progesterone_men.pdf
    http://thinksteroids.com/articles/co...-estrogen-men/
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12629101
    You gave me even more to look over. Thanks this is helpful I will read thru this when I get home also. He is still active I see him post in the anabolic.section here and there. Do you have any links on pregnenalone?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    I'm not familiar with DHEA supplementation, so I can't comment on the protocol for DHEA.

    DHEA is going to be indirectly inhibitory depending on it's conversion rate to test in your body and on your genetic set point for testosterone. That's about all I can say on the matter.

    Here's SuppVersity on DHEA: http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013...p-seconds.html I dont know what you can get out of there that would be helpful. I will say I don't immediately see the benefit of supplementing with DHEA while on testosterone, though. I would either use pregnenolone or progesterone.
    I read this over and I have a much better understanding now. He does state in the questions it can cause shutdown of cortisol and estrogen and.other androgens with dhea supplementation. Possiability for me being tired and dry? Maybe.

  19. 3/30/14-De lower
    De box squat with chain
    240+50lbs chainx2x10
    Elevated ghrs
    Bwx6,6
    Bw+10x4
    Barbell shrugs
    225X10x3
    Abs wheel
    11,8,8
    Notes: managed to get thru this session quick like I wanted. Was pretty good and felt good squatting. Hit a pr on the abs wheel too.

  20. 3/31/14-Me bench
    Bench
    315X1
    Add slingshot
    335X3
    355X3
    365X3 pr
    Db complex
    Oh-65x10
    Flat-65x10
    Incline-65x10
    Decline-65x10
    Seated wide grip cable rows
    135X10
    165X10
    195X10
    210X7
    165X10
    Incline Tate presses
    35x10
    40x10
    45X10
    Mini band pullapart complex
    2 sets 10 each way and one extra set.of just the overhand and underhand.
    Notes: good day. Was happy with the sslingshot pr. Shoulder held up great too. Things are coming along again.

  21. 4/02/14-me lower
    Squat with buffalo bar
    380x1
    Add knee wraps
    420X1
    440x1
    460x1
    Split squat
    75X10
    85x10
    105x8
    Reverse hyper
    70x10,10,10
    Leg raises
    Bwx12
    Bw+5x12
    Bw+10x12
    Notes: all squats felt much easier and faster then the previous weeks. Hit 30lbs over my comp lift 1rm I set 4 weeks ago today and it was fast but form started to break down a touch in the upper back tightness. I caught a stomach virus the past two days so I haven't gotten much food. But lots of water and pepto seemed to help. I skipped conditioning to being underfed. Happy with the day and called the squatting 1-2 sets early due to sickness also. Also switched back to my other brand test and already filling back out and feeling much better. So this tells me the other brand is most likely underdosed so I may go half and half or something to use it up. Not sure what to do with it yet.

  22. 4/04/14-de bench
    De bench w/ doubled mini bands
    135+bandsx8x3
    Close grip 3 board w/ doubled minis
    275+bandsx5
    295+bandsx5
    185+Bandsx12,12
    Medium grip pull-ups
    Bwx10,8
    Medium neutral grip pulldowns
    135x8
    150x8
    Side raises/Db hammer curls
    15x12/25x10
    15x12/30x10
    20x12/35x10
    Notes: the rack was taken so I just decided to do a close grip 3 board. That was about a 345 top weight. Having trouble completing full range reps with pull-ups hence the mix. To many years of doing them.wrong I. Guessing. Addressing it now.

  23. 4/05/14-de lower
    De squat w/ chains to parallel box
    260+40lbs chainx10x2
    De pull conv/sump
    315+40lbs chainx6x1
    Elevated ghrs w/ mini band
    4/5/5
    BB shrugs/balance work
    225X10,10
    315x10
    Standing cable crunches
    75X10
    105X10
    120x10
    135x9
    Notes: good day. Getting into a great groove for squatting and pulling. Very happy with today. Set up is getting.g.better on.both also.

  24. 4/07/14-me bench
    Bench with chain
    255+80lbs chainx1
    275+80lbs chainx1
    295+80lbs chainx1
    Db complex
    Oh-70x12
    Flat-70x12
    Incline-70x12
    Decline-70x12
    Wide grip seated cable rows
    150x10
    180x10
    195x10,10,10
    Rope pressdowns/mini band pullapart complex
    45x12/10 each way
    60x10/10 each way
    45x12/first 2 sets 10 reps each way.
    Notes: good day. I miss grooved the last set which made it brutal. I might have had a little more in me had.I not done that.

  25. 4/09/14-me lower
    Conv deadlift off floor raw
    455x1
    495x1
    515x1
    545X1 20lb pr
    Step ups
    20lb dbsx8
    30lb dbsx8
    35lb dbsx8
    Reverse hypers with a pause at the top
    45x10
    70x10,10
    Side bends
    45x10
    55x10
    65x10
    Notes: i got exactly what I wanted today. I was very happy with that pull. It was faster and stronger then my 545 off a 4 inch block. I might get a conv deadline suit and try that out since my raw pulling is going so good.

  26. 4/11/14-De bench
    De bench with doubled mini bands
    155+bandsx3
    175+bandsx7x3
    Close grip floor press rack lockouts
    315x3
    365X3
    365 with slingshotx10
    225x14
    Medium grip pull-ups
    Bwx10,8
    Close grip neutral meltdowns
    135x10
    150x10
    Side raises/rear raises/cambered bar curls
    15X12/15x12/45x15
    20X10/15x12/75x10
    20x10/15x12/75x10
    Notes: good day. Speed work went the best it has in awhile. Overall good day and felt strong on.everything especially the pull ups today.

  27. 4/13/14-De lower
    De ssb squat with parallel box and chains
    270+40lbs chainx8x2
    Elevated ghrs w/ bands
    Bwx8
    Bw+mini bandsx6
    Bw+monster bandsx5,5
    Bb shrugs/balance work
    225x10
    315x10,10
    Standing cable crunches
    90x10
    120X10
    135x10
    150x6
    Notes: good day. Fast and explosive and hit a few accessory prs too.

  28. 4/14/14-Me bench
    2 board press
    365X1
    385x1
    405X1 pr
    Db complex
    Oh-75x10
    Flat w/ pause-75x10
    Incline-75x10
    Decline-75x10
    Kroc rows with no straps
    125x20 each arm
    Rope pressdowns
    45x15,15,15
    Mini band pullapart complex
    2 sets 10 reps each way and one each set of just over hand and under hand.
    Notes: things are going well raw. That was a big 2 board for me.

  29. BIG two board! Nice work.
    Training log:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240172-herders-2014-log.html

  30. Quote Originally Posted by herderdude View Post
    BIG two board! Nice work.
    Thanks man. All that time in a shirt really payed off for my top end strength.
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