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    the sugar in milk


    how bad is the sugar in 1 cup of skim milk, its apporx 12-13g if ur dieting? ive been throwing 1 cup in alot of my meals for the extra protien boost.

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    Its better than the sugar in pop, candy etc. But I'm not a fan of milk. Humans are the only animal that drink milk after infancy, not to mention its the milk of a totally different species of animal.

    Milk contains an "allowable percentage" of blood and puss.

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    Yeah, I am definately not opening that page. I will remain happy in my ignorance regarding the skim milk that I drink daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    Yeah, I am definately not opening that page. I will remain happy in my ignorance regarding the skim milk that I drink daily.

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    Agreed

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    Lactose is rather high on the glycemic index. Doesn't seem like the most diet friendly drink.
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    I keep my milk drinking to when Im bulking, then the extra cals and protein are great. When it comes time for me to go on a cut milk is one of the first things to go for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmo View Post
    I keep my milk drinking to when Im bulking, then the extra cals and protein are great. When it comes time for me to go on a cut milk is one of the first things to go for me.
    same. i miss my lactaid during a cut. thankfully i will be adding it back to my grocery list as of next week.
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    When using skim milk, a glass or two helps me add some carbs and protein to my daily total when I'm in a hurry. And, milk isn't the only thing people should concern themselves with. I would say 90% of the products on any supermarket shelf (w/ organic exceptions) are "contaminated" in some way.

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    Hmm..I'm into my first *real* cut right now, this is making me think about exchanging milk for water in my protein. Maybe I will just do half water half milk...milk makes them so much better. That's the only damned thing I look forward to eating!
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    I drink water with all my protein, it does taste a bit better with milk, but you have to keep in mind your not drinking it exclusively for the taste. Depending on how much milk you drink you could cut a couple hundred cals out of your diet very easily, and you wont miss it, its not nearly as noticable as cutting out a carb serving lol
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    if ur trying to cut...always water and protein when cutting
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    Agree'd, I drink mine with water all year. The only time I ever drink it with milk is if Im making up a meal replacement type shake with ground oats and milk, otherwise its water all the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    if ur trying to cut...always water and protein when cutting
    I disagree. As long as the milk fits with your dietary needs, then it's fine.
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    agreed, if it fits ur dietary needs, im all about some skim milk, but if ur trying to cut, lose the most fat...the carb/sugars in milk u dont need
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND View Post
    Lactose is rather high on the glycemic index. Doesn't seem like the most diet friendly drink.
    Lactose is not high GI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    ...if ur trying to cut, lose the most fat...the carb/sugars in milk u dont need
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    I know I will get **** for this, but I drink a gallon of milk a day, and I've been able to cut and bulk just fine....

    Great for getting in calories / meal replacement, and protein!

    The strongest I have ever been was when I was drinking over a gallon a day, so I don't care it comes from a cow, I eat cows, not people, so why would I be afraid of drinking their milk. Nutrients is nutrients.

    BTW - Canada guy, if that is you in your avatar why the hell are you worried about the sugar in milk, obviously you have been able to get really lean with it so far!!
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    If cows milk isn't good for you, and soy contains phytoestrogens which have negative effects in males, then what the hell am I supposed to put on my Cocoa Puffs? Water? Yuck.
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    I dropped nearly 50 pounds while still drinking a 12-16oz glass of milk with breakfast every morning. I don't think it's a problem.
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    Got Milk?


    Milk, or for that matter dairy products assist in weight loss. Lactaid all by itself is high on the GI. You have to consider the big picture, that everything else you put in your stomach at the same time is bringing down the GI of the sugar contained in the milk. Casien is slower to digest, that brings it down a notch. Then add in your 40+ grams of protien powder and you have lowered it even more. You are probably adding in or taking some type of EFA, GI goes down even more. You can even add fiber to the shake to lower it even further. So in the end count the calories, and do the work and you will get lean.
    That being said if you want your carbs from another source then give it up from here, or choose something else. One thing is paramount caloric intake minus expenditure have to end up negative at the end of the day. Your body may thrive on a certain nutrient ratio while everyone else may not. Look at the big picture, everything you eat at one time is being digested at the same time so you have extra simple sugars in a meal high in protien and a little fat and fiber and it isn't going to hurt you. Don't get tied up in concentrating on that one puzzle peice when the rest of them are needed for the big picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Milk, or for that matter dairy products assist in weight loss. Lactaid all by itself is high on the GI. You have to consider the big picture, that everything else you put in your stomach at the same time is bringing down the GI of the sugar contained in the milk. Casien is slower to digest, that brings it down a notch. Then add in your 40+ grams of protien powder and you have lowered it even more. You are probably adding in or taking some type of EFA, GI goes down even more. You can even add fiber to the shake to lower it even further. So in the end count the calories, and do the work and you will get lean.
    I assume that you meant Lactose and not Lactaid (which is a modified-lactose free milk). GI for milk: http://www.carbs-information.com/gly...e-gi-value.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    That being said if you want your carbs from another source then give it up from here, or choose something else. One thing is paramount caloric intake minus expenditure have to end up negative at the end of the day. Your body may thrive on a certain nutrient ratio while everyone else may not. Look at the big picture, everything you eat at one time is being digested at the same time so you have extra simple sugars in a meal high in protien and a little fat and fiber and it isn't going to hurt you. Don't get tied up in concentrating on that one puzzle peice when the rest of them are needed for the big picture.


    When one is eating more frequent smaller meals of whole foods with balanced macros then GI data is hardly useful.

    GI is data is useful to determine when a processed food is less or more crappy than another.
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    well as for now im trying to keep my carbs around 1g per body lb a day, sometimes it gets a little over but not too bad.

    ive decided to keep the skim milk limited to my breakfast, either poor it in my oatmeal so its not so damn bland or just have a cup to wash it down with.

    as for that link.....yea ill pass...ignorance is probably best....got milk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Milk, or for that matter dairy products assist in weight loss. Lactaid all by itself is high on the GI. You have to consider the big picture, that everything else you put in your stomach at the same time is bringing down the GI of the sugar contained in the milk. Casien is slower to digest, that brings it down a notch. Then add in your 40+ grams of protien powder and you have lowered it even more. You are probably adding in or taking some type of EFA, GI goes down even more. You can even add fiber to the shake to lower it even further. So in the end count the calories, and do the work and you will get lean.
    That being said if you want your carbs from another source then give it up from here, or choose something else. One thing is paramount caloric intake minus expenditure have to end up negative at the end of the day. Your body may thrive on a certain nutrient ratio while everyone else may not. Look at the big picture, everything you eat at one time is being digested at the same time so you have extra simple sugars in a meal high in protien and a little fat and fiber and it isn't going to hurt you. Don't get tied up in concentrating on that one puzzle peice when the rest of them are needed for the big picture.
    yea thats pretty good advice, i made a post with a sample diet of my first day putting this cutting diet into play, it ddint get too many responses.

    but basically my macros look like this

    310-330 protein, 210-240 carbs, 90-110 fat

    roughly around 3200-3400 cals a day. my fat is never mixed with ym carbs except at breakfast with 2 whole eggs and 6 whites then oatmeal and ....1 cup skim milk!

    later in the day my last 2-3 meals only consist of fat+protien

    a great meal im loving is 4 tbs natty pb mixed with 1/2 scoop whey and 2-4 slices of..skim milk cheese..lol there it is again.

    thats an easy 42-52 gram protein meal with 32 grams of fat. its like a dessert!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCasino View Post
    I know I will get **** for this, but I drink a gallon of milk a day, and I've been able to cut and bulk just fine....

    Great for getting in calories / meal replacement, and protein!

    The strongest I have ever been was when I was drinking over a gallon a day, so I don't care it comes from a cow, I eat cows, not people, so why would I be afraid of drinking their milk. Nutrients is nutrients.

    BTW - Canada guy, if that is you in your avatar why the hell are you worried about the sugar in milk, obviously you have been able to get really lean with it so far!!
    No **** there man. If you can incorporate that into your daily caloric needs/balance, and you find it works well with your body, drink that nectar up!

    As for the milk haters, keep spreading the word of dislike, I want my milk prices back to un-insane levels!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrox View Post
    I assume that you meant Lactose and not Lactaid (which is a modified-lactose free milk). GI for milk: http://www.carbs-information.com/gly...e-gi-value.htm





    When one is eating more frequent smaller meals of whole foods with balanced macros then GI data is hardly useful.

    GI is data is useful to determine when a processed food is less or more crappy than another.

    DOH!!!! I thought that looked / sounded wrong. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrox View Post
    I assume that you meant Lactose and not Lactaid (which is a modified-lactose free milk). GI for milk: Glycemic Index of Lactose, GI Value





    When one is eating more frequent smaller meals of whole foods with balanced macros then GI data is hardly useful.

    GI is data is useful to determine when a processed food is less or more crappy than another.
    Not to mention GI values are established on an empty stomach. IMO G.I. (to the degree most put on it) has hardly any carry over to us when meal overlaps/nutrient overlaps are ever present.
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    unless you are 6 weeks out from competition, i'd say that the sugar in milk is irrelevant. and if you like milk but want less carbs look for this

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    I drink milk for breakfast mainly. I was good for Arnold so it's goood for me. Saw Heather McCartney on Larry King one time warning of the badness of drinking milk....not sure what she was implying, they did not elaborate. Sanjay Gupta jumped in with the line that we are the only creatures to drink another mamals milk? Not sure what he was saying either.
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    Disaccharides (most commonly seen sugars) digest differently in the body depending on which monosaccharides bonded, and in which manner. While table sugar and lactose are both disaccharides, they are not direct isomers, and thereby are digested much differently.

    Milk, in my opinion, is too valuable of a dietary asset to be completely removed due to a mistaken assumption about its sugar content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Disaccharides (most commonly seen sugars) digest differently in the body depending on which monosaccharides bonded, and in which manner. While table sugar and lactose are both disaccharides, they are not direct isomers, and thereby are digested much differently.

    Milk, in my opinion, is too valuable of a dietary asset to be completely removed due to a mistaken assumption about its sugar content.
    Would you agree that using Anabolic Pump throughout the day would be effective in offsetting some of the negative aspects of there being so much sugar in milk? Prevent fat gain, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCasino View Post
    Would you agree that using Anabolic Pump throughout the day would be effective in offsetting some of the negative aspects of there being so much sugar in milk? Prevent fat gain, etc?
    It would need to be accumulative to offset any potential storage; to my knowledge, Milk's digestion time is uncharacteristically long for a liquid: 4 hours, IIRC. As you said, though, if one was using Anabolic Pump for an extended period, and Insulin Sensitivity (via AMPk upregulation) was improved, it would most definitely help!

    Further, keep in mind that Anabolic Pump, while commonly conceptualized as merely a glucose regulator, actually mitigates energy expenditure and transfer as a whole; this is the manner in which it 'recomposes' tissue - through ensuring efficiency vis-a-vis guiding your body to either glycolytic or oxidative manners of energy expenditure when necessary, by inducing lipolysis, preventing adipogenesis, as well as inhibiting triglyceride and fatty acid synthesis. So, it does not merely help with glucose-related issues, but dietary issues as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCasino View Post
    I know I will get **** for this, but I drink a gallon of milk a day, and I've been able to cut and bulk just fine....

    Great for getting in calories / meal replacement, and protein!

    The strongest I have ever been was when I was drinking over a gallon a day, so I don't care it comes from a cow, I eat cows, not people, so why would I be afraid of drinking their milk. Nutrients is nutrients.

    BTW - Canada guy, if that is you in your avatar why the hell are you worried about the sugar in milk, obviously you have been able to get really lean with it so far!!
    ah thanks BigCasino but that was me like 1 and half years ago. then i kind of fell off the wagon and partied too much. got back into serious training for about 7 months now and bulked up to 220lbs. that picture i think i was about 178lbs and could have lost more fat in my arms...i hold fat there and it pisses me off its the last to go.

    my goal now is lose the "bulk fat" ill be around the same weight in that picture but leaner im hoping. plus the lighting was awesome in that room

    i wanna do a level 1 entry show so well c what happens, i was told to shed some fat and see where i go from there.

    time to start getting back on my other "vitamins"

    edit: ah 1 more thing my diet now is alot more tight i think, in that picture i just wanted to c how ripped i can get and didnt really plan my diet too hard, just watchd what i ate, cut alot of carbs and ate most of my fat at night like im trying now, but im counting every macronutrient for this time around, i hope it works out for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    unless you are 6 weeks out from competition, i'd say that the sugar in milk is irrelevant. and if you like milk but want less carbs look for this
    That Calorie Countdown milk tastes like complete a$$, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    unless you are 6 weeks out from competition, i'd say that the sugar in milk is irrelevant.
    bingo. most realistic reply in this thread so far.
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    I go for this milk here. protein enriched, fish oil, ton of vitamin E, and tastes almost as good as whole milk to me.

    http://www.smartbalance.com/MilkSkim.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightwanderer View Post
    I go for this milk here. protein enriched, fish oil, ton of vitamin E, and tastes almost as good as whole milk to me.

    http://www.smartbalance.com/MilkSkim.aspx
    Smart Balance makes milk?!!! I'm so getting some of that.

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    My wife threw off my nutrition planning a bit this week. She accidentally bought 2% instead of skim milk. 5g fat per cup adds up over the course of a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay View Post
    My wife threw off my nutrition planning a bit this week. She accidentally bought 2% instead of skim milk. 5g fat per cup adds up over the course of a day.
    OUCH! That equals out a lot of carb cutting to make up the difference in calories of you must. Just call it an impromptu refeed. Unless you are getting ready for a contest shouldn't hurt you too bad for a couple days. May even reset your metabolism for higher caloric intake and make you burn a lil faster once gone.

    If not you can always correct it with lots of this :bruce3:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    OUCH! That equals out a lot of carb cutting to make up the difference in calories of you must. Just call it an impromptu refeed. Unless you are getting ready for a contest shouldn't hurt you too bad for a couple days. May even reset your metabolism for higher caloric intake and make you burn a lil faster once gone.

    If not you can always correct it with lots of this :bruce3:

    I track my intake with FitDay, so I'll adjust accordingly. I have zero problems with cutting carbs for more fat, or vise versa. As long as I get adequate protein, the other two usually fall where they may within my total calories for the day.
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