iLkYp's Weight Loss Log

[ilkyspony]

Well, this is my first post and I have trolling for a while trying to find some answers to my questions. I figured a new thread could get me off on the right foot!

I am 20 years old, 6'1", and I weigh 285lbs

My goal is to be at 215lbs/10-15% Body Fat by approx. June 1st with a start date of 1/2/08. I plan on joining the Navy, so whatever plan I implement will have to advance my cardio activity while still producing muscle mass/strength gains. I have a few supplements in mind but I don't want to drop any names until I hear what you folks have to say. Any questions you may have I will answer, I would like some advice please.

[strategicmove]

Well, this is my first post and I have trolling for a while trying to find some answers to my questions. I figured a new thread could get me off on the right foot!

I am 20 years old, 6'1", and I weigh 285lbs

My goal is to be at 215lbs/10-15% Body Fat by approx. June 1st with a start date of 1/2/08. I plan on joining the Navy, so whatever plan I implement will have to advance my cardio activity while still producing muscle mass/strength gains. I have a few supplements in mind but I don't want to drop any names until I hear what you folks have to say. Any questions you may have I will answer, I would like some advice please.

Assuming your diet is in check, and you intend to do continue with cardio and weight training, I would recommend the following:

1) Drive (full dose)
2) IGF-2 (full dose)
3) DCP (full dose)
4) RPM (half dose because of Leviathan Reloaded)
5) Leviathan Reloaded (half dose because of RPM)
6) Lipotrophin-PM (full dose)

Be sure to supplement with Fish Oil.

You should be able to see diverse benefits including heightened endurance, increased strength gains, increase in quality lean mass, muscle hardening, significant cAMP-and-cGMP-boosting, dramatic weight loss, testosterone modulation, glucocorticoid antagonism, cortisol regulation, prolactin inhibition, growth-hormone synthesis, and so on.

Something else. Some of the nutrients in the blend should ensure L-Dopa synthesis, green-tea-extract (EGCG)-induced cAMP-boosting/norephinephrine synthesis, green-tea-induced nutrient partitioning and cholecystokinin (CCK) release that is important in the management of insulin pathways, banaba-extract regulation of macronutrient partitioning, as well as bacopa monnieri boosting of thyroid function and modulation of thyroid-hormone levels via enhancement of T4 synthesis and conversion of T4 (normally synthesized from free tyrosine) to biologically active T3.

Furthermore, for some odd reason, the synergy between Forskolin (in Drive) and TTA (in DCP) is not given the emphasis it deserves. By boosting cAMP, Forskolin triggers the liberation of free fatty acids from adipocyte cells and deposits these into the bloodstream where they can be used as energy. Now comes TTA. TTA filters the released free fatty acids from the bloodstream and burns these in the liver mitochondria. If you take these before cardio, you would be pleased at the reslts you would get.
DCP is a well rounded formula that can deliver all the benefits of TTA without the sides. Add DCP to a forskolin-containing product such as Drive (with its other cool cAMP/cGMP boosting compounds) and you have the cornerstone of your fat-incineration protocol.

One last thing. One cannot overemphasize the importance of cAMP elevation. Cyclic AMP is probably the most important cell-regulating compound available. Once cAMP is formed it activates many other enzymes involved in multiple cellular processes. cAMP is at the core of many cellular functions.

[prld2gr8ns]

Well, this is my first post and I have trolling for a while trying to find some answers to my questions. I figured a new thread could get me off on the right foot!

I am 20 years old, 6'1", and I weigh 285lbs

My goal is to be at 215lbs/10-15% Body Fat by approx. June 1st with a start date of 1/2/08. I plan on joining the Navy, so whatever plan I implement will have to advance my cardio activity while still producing muscle mass/strength gains. I have a few supplements in mind but I don't want to drop any names until I hear what you folks have to say. Any questions you may have I will answer, I would like some advice please.

Dropping 70lb in 6 months is hefty but doable, given your age and lack( I assume) of training prior to your navy venture. Just get your diet in line. Shoot for about 2500-2800 kcals/day. Pick lot's of lean meat and carbohydrate choices like chicken/turkey breast, salmon, tuna, lean steak, whole wheat bread, oatmeal, sweet potatoes, etc. Break the meals down to five/six meals a day with some vegetables thrown in 2 or 3 of them and you'll be set.

Become friends with a treadmill at the gym, and beanies and gloves for those outside runs(you'll want to do this just to help prepare for pt at booty camp), shoot for 3-4 sessions a week for about 30min a pop and work up the time if you feel you can. Weight training could be 3-4 times a week also, center around major compound movements i.e. bench, squats, deads with 1-2 ancillary movements for smaller muscle groups.

If your upping your energy expenditure considerabley, then your weightloss has the potential to be smooth and consistent.

[ilkyspony]

Assuming your diet is in check, and you intend to do continue with cardio and weight training, I would recommend the following:

1) Drive (full dose)
2) IGF-2 (full dose)
3) DCP (full dose)
4) RPM (half dose because of Leviathan Reloaded)
5) Leviathan Reloaded (half dose because of RPM)
6) Lipotrophin-PM (full dose)

Be sure to supplement with Fish Oil.

You should be able to see diverse benefits including heightened endurance, increased strength gains, increase in quality lean mass, muscle hardening, significant cAMP-and-cGMP-boosting, dramatic weight loss, testosterone modulation, glucocorticoid antagonism, cortisol regulation, prolactin inhibition, growth-hormone synthesis, and so on.

Something else. Some of the nutrients in the blend should ensure L-Dopa synthesis, green-tea-extract (EGCG)-induced cAMP-boosting/norephinephrine synthesis, green-tea-induced nutrient partitioning and cholecystokinin (CCK) release that is important in the management of insulin pathways, banaba-extract regulation of macronutrient partitioning, as well as bacopa monnieri boosting of thyroid function and modulation of thyroid-hormone levels via enhancement of T4 synthesis and conversion of T4 (normally synthesized from free tyrosine) to biologically active T3.

Furthermore, for some odd reason, the synergy between Forskolin (in Drive) and TTA (in DCP) is not given the emphasis it deserves. By boosting cAMP, Forskolin triggers the liberation of free fatty acids from adipocyte cells and deposits these into the bloodstream where they can be used as energy. Now comes TTA. TTA filters the released free fatty acids from the bloodstream and burns these in the liver mitochondria. If you take these before cardio, you would be pleased at the reslts you would get.
DCP is a well rounded formula that can deliver all the benefits of TTA without the sides. Add DCP to a forskolin-containing product such as Drive (with its other cool cAMP/cGMP boosting compounds) and you have the cornerstone of your fat-incineration protocol.

One last thing. One cannot overemphasize the importance of cAMP elevation. Cyclic AMP is probably the most important cell-regulating compound available. Once cAMP is formed it activates many other enzymes involved in multiple cellular processes. cAMP is at the core of many cellular functions.

Ok, well up to this point I felt as though I was an intelligent guy. Now, I'm not so sure. I'm trying to comprehend what you just wrote. If you could, please put that in layman's terms. If i'm asking too much just say so... I would like to know what the stuff you listed is and does and why I should only take the dosages you listed. Thanks!

[Pistol Pete]

I wish we could get IGF-2 here in Australia, it doesn't seem available / legal

[strategicmove]

Ok, well up to this point I felt as though I was an intelligent guy. Now, I'm not so sure. I'm trying to comprehend what you just wrote. If you could, please put that in layman's terms. If i'm asking too much just say so... I would like to know what the stuff you listed is and does and why I should only take the dosages you listed. Thanks!

To help you reach your goals, you may want to take full doses of Drive, IGF-2, DCP, and Lipotrophin-PM. I recommended half doses of RPM and Leviathan Reloaded because they both contain caffeine, so taking full doses of both may mean too much stimulants. The beauty of adding Leviathan Reloaded, even at half dose, is that the blend is so conceived that it should help you burn fat longer. In the presence of the other products in my list, you should see elevated fat burning while not only sparing muscle, but also adding quality lean mass, in addition to other cool benefits.

[asianbabe]

Hello, please post your current diet and exercise regimen for us to critique. Get into lifting as heavy as you can and throw in a bit of cardio that you enjoy doing.

With a proper diet you should start losing weight at a nice pace, then later on when the weight loss starts to stall a bit, you can add in supplementation.

Best of luck!

[asianbabe]

I wish we could get IGF-2 here in Australia, it doesn't seem available / legal

Really? I have yet to try importing it.. I don't really see why not?

[asianbabe]

Also, have a read of this article if you have time. I posted this in the female forum, but it is applicable for the general audience.

Although a little lengthy, this is set out in pretty "layman" terms the fundamentals of weight loss - training/eating/recovery/mindset/supplementation.

Fat Loss Basics

[ilkyspony]

Well, after thinking about this over the weekend I've made a decision... kind of.

I don't want to take all these pills the first time taking anything. I was hoping I could get an idea of the best 2 to take starting out. I was thinking DCP/Leviathan Reloaded Stack with H-drol? Or maybe take the Drive with H-drol? I've heard good things about H-drol from a couple of guys I work out with. But I've also heard there is a recommended "flush" product to take after H-Drol.

If I do take a couple of the listed items, with or without H-drol (if without... why?), when and how should I do it?

I work out on Tues.,Thurs., and Sunday. Cardio and lifting on all three. Occasionally a Wed. or Sat. of cardio only. I don't work out until approx. 8pm on those nights and go to bed around around 10:30.

[ilkyspony]

Nothing?

[EasyEJL]

Really you dont need any supplements beyond a multivitamin to start with. Get the weight loss started by controlling diet, and slowly introduce new things when weight loss slows.

70lbs in 5 months is hard, but not crazy.

[ilkyspony]

For example and my knowledge... If I were to use something from the list and/or H-Drol....


* See above.

[toughchick401]

Post diet, most important, exercise comes when diet is in check

[EasyEJL]

For example and my knowledge... If I were to use something from the list and/or H-Drol....


* See above.

Of the above, drive would be the earliest one i'd add. Forget h-drol, its a waste at this stage I think, and in general won't really help you all that much. Drive will help both with adding lean muscle as well as loosing fat. Really diet is key, you can loose that weight with no supplements. Its not like you gained it with supplements, just food, so the same applies in reverse


How long have you been lifting for?

[ilkyspony]

We've been working out for about 2 months. I work out with the guy who started the thread '5 or 6 meals a day?'. The plan is to start a diet regimine beginning next week, complete with 5/6 meals and cardio 3-4 times a week. I started working harder on the tread mill last night. Usually I lift for an hour or so and then walk/jog/run the tread mill for 10-15 minutes. Last night I did a walk/jog/run for 30 minutes and up'ed the intensity.

The big problem is, we work out at 8pm and I usually go right to bed afterwards. Except on Sundays when we work out at 11am. So I want to be careful taking anything before my workout because of this.

I understand what ya'll are saying about the weight being gained with food and not with supplements and that I should hold off on the supplements for now. But here's the thing, I need to jump start this ****

But seriously.... what's the problem with H-Drol? Why wouldn't it help at this point? What exactly would it do (if it were to help)?

[EasyEJL]

reasons not to do hdrol-

• Hdrol is a steroid - it is a modified Oral Turinabol
• You don't have enough lifting experience to get any more gains out of a steroid than you will in general as "beginner gains"
• Your diet isn't in tune yet, so you will like get little to no gains
• Only working out a few months, you still have a good 6-10 months of solid gains with nothing added
• hdrol may cause you to fail a blood test for the military
• you are only 20, you may do irreversible damage to your not completely developed endocrine system

[ilkyspony]

That's a good enough reason for me!



Now about that Drive... How should that be taken, taking into account my time of day I work out?

[EasyEJL]

drive is 2x a day dosing, and it really is more a long term effects product than a preworkout product (although it has value that way as well). the most important part is that it is "inbetween" meals - should be at least an hour after a meal, and should have at least 45+ minutes before next meal. So first thing in the morning is good for one dose if you can manage to go 45 min not eating, and then probably one dose pre-dinner i'd guess. each dose would be 4 caps at your weight

[ilkyspony]

Ok, well it's coming down to crunch time here. I plan on taking the Drive by Applied Nutriceticals and I want to try Napalm by Avant Research for some troublesome fat on my chest ( man boobs ).

Earlier in the thread it was mentioned to supplement with Fish Oil.... what does it do? How should I take it? Pill or Liquid? Etc.


I'm going to try and use my brain here for a second.... A multi-vitamin would be a great idea, right? I want something with glucosamine as I hear this is good for joint protection. I need that since I've got a "bum" knee from high school football. Maybe something like Activite Sport by MHP? And Joint Care by Beverly International?



PS: What's the difference between H-Drol and M-Drol?