Finally Venom tri lean Cutting cycle
- 05-08-2006, 12:16 AM
Finally Venom tri lean Cutting cycle
ok....im finally going to be getting on my Cutting cycle tomorrow...here is a rundown on the stack i will be taking
Venom HD - 1 cap 6Am
Venom Special Tactics- 2 pills at 8am, 2 pills around 4 or 5pm
Venom Lean Dreams - 1 pill an hour before bed
Thyrogen-x - 1 pill at 8am, 1 pill at 4-5pm
Sesamax - 2 pills at 8am, 2 pills at 12-1pm, 2 pills 5-6pm
Carlson Super DHA - 2 pills 8am, 2 pills 4-5pm
Now Adam Multi- 1 pill 8am, 1 pill 4-5pm
For the most part i will be doing Cardio for about 45-60 minutes in the morning before breakfast (6:30am) and cardio for about 30-45 minutes in the afternoon (around 3 or 4pm on work days- 5 or 6pm on non-work days) All cardio will be done at low intensity and climbing resistance on an Eliptical.
I will also be doing weight training. Do to lack of funds and equipment....i will be kinda limited on some of the exercises and the weights i can do....all i have is a bowflex, an ez-curl bar, random plate weights, some dumbells, and a dip station.
bowflex is a great machine...but...most of the exercises i do on it i put all the weight on (350lbs) and can do most exercises with ease. I end up doing exhaustion sets......just keep doing reps till i cant do no more....and just do 3 sets like that. like i said....i have to make do with what i have and the money restrictions
My diet is going to be a basic low- carb diet....probably about 20 to 30 carbs a day for the first 2 weeks......then raise them a bit.. although 20 to 30 might be variable numbers if this stack does kill my appetite like everyone says it does..i might have to raise the carbs so i dont pass out..hehe....anyways....its a basic low carb diet. im not really worried about losing too much lean mass...just because it is sooo easy for me to pack muscle on (blessed) but easy to pack fat on also and my appetite is killer and doesnt help the situation either (cursed) im gonna try to keep as much LBM as possible...but wont freak out if i lose some. i just need to lose this BF i have....ive been living with it for too long and after trying numerous diets, im just tired of fighting with it....
anyways....my BF% is about 18-20% (measure 3 times, got 3 different answers....just averaged them out)
My measurements will be coming probably tomorrow just because i came home from work late and didnt have time...i know though that my biceps cold flexed are a little over 18". Dont know how decent a size is 18" for biceps but...they seem big to me hehe
Any questions or comments to maybe tweak my exercise routine are welcomed. im still deciding if im going to take daily or weekly weight measurements. Mostly im going to be looking at body composition over everything else
Here are some before pics of me....im not photogenic and these pics dont really show my body definition too well.i just look really fat ..but its a basis for what im starting off looking like and for a comparison to my pics after the cycle. So...off i go to bed...im excited to start this stack...ive heard so much about it and i hope it does everything ive read about and hopefully more.
EDIT: Disregard Diet about....will be doing around a 100 to 150 carb diet with lot of fresh veggies and some plain quaker oatmeal.. Maybe a protein bar here and there.
- 05-08-2006, 01:20 AM
Hold off on your cycle and research your diet. 20-30 carbs a day with those supps and you will NOT be able to do exhaustion sets with your bow flex or anything else. You'll give yourself headaches and kill your metabolism so when you come off that supp cycle you'll add on nothing but fat.
At your size I wouldn't recommend anything under 150 carbs a day for a supplemented cut cycle. I'm glad you're not worried about losing muscle because that's about all you're going to lose and almost nothing of fat. it'll be stored away,I promise.
I know because that route is the one I took but with other supps about 2 years ago and it ****ed me up. I'm using the venom stack right now while on a cut diet and sometimes I bump my carbs to 200 on leg days or i'll stay in a daze and feel like throwing up during the whole workout. You seriously need to research, decide goals, learn the route to accomplish them and not go about it blindly.
05-08-2006, 02:56 AM
05-08-2006, 07:25 AM
Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
i was kinda figuring someone was going to say that..hehe....i was thinking about it last night while in bed....i got up and researched a diet i saw on another forum...and it was technically a low carb diet.....but added alot of low glycemic carbs into it like oatmeal and fresh veggies (which i chow down on some veggies now..hehe) FIBER FIBER FIBER......
thanks again for the reply....i reallly didnt go into this blindly....but i have a history of having a hard time making up my mind without a little bit of help...and i posted a couple times asking for a little bit of help...but no one answered....so i figured....usually ALL cycle threads get answers....so ill just say something in this thread and someone will help me out this way. Plus i was thinking about the diet all last night...kinda sucked cause i didnt get the nights sleep that i wanted. But thank you for the advice jayhawkk....also.....do you see a problem with the 2 sessions of cardio?? been trying to figure this one out also...but ive researched on this site and it seems that it is split down the middle....i figure if it is low intensity....it should be too bad doing like a 45 minute session 2 times a day...what do you think....
once again...thanks for the reply and help
05-08-2006, 07:31 AM
Weight 275 (home scale...iffy but enough to gauge progress)
Off to do cardio....i think im going to start with an hour of Low intensity cardio with gradual raising resistance.
took 1 Venom Hd at 6am.....felt like crap since i was up thinking about my diet and researching most of the night....now....feel on level....not super jacked yet....but most people said it took about 45 minutes to an hour to feel full effects.
05-08-2006, 11:59 AM
Actually, with a 2400ish calorie diet I only do about 20-30 minutes of HIIT cardio a few days a week at the end of my work outs and lately my weight was coming off a bit faster than I wanted so now i'm down to 2 times a week.
Stack your fridge and cabinets with all the low gycemic carbs you can along with fruits and vegis and high protein lean meats. Eat every couple of hours and especially watch your sugars/sat fats.
The key is going to be making sure you're honest with yourself in doing and eating what you should be as well as staying consistant. Also, don't rely on the scale but make sure you start with taped stats and follow your progress with the tape measure and mirror.
Make sure that you adjust your diet for days that you're either doing a lot more work or days where you can't get to work out/cardio. This is easier than thinking you're just going to do more cardio the next couple of days to make up for it.
Oh, drink plenty of water in the area of at least a gallon a day and cut anything in your diet that has high fructose corn syrup.
05-08-2006, 12:47 PM
Drink more than 1 gallon, 1.5 gallons is more like it, as Vh3.0 will lock up your bowls, fiber is essential!
05-08-2006, 02:11 PM
THANKS for the help jay..i appreciate it.....i have a problem with doing anything other than low impact cardio..i have a busted up ankle right now...so its going to prevent me from doing much of any leg workouts....especially not being able to go to a gym....thats why im trying to do some high resistance walking on the eliptical to try and work my legs as much as i can...as for the water....that is ALL i drink.....and im pretty much already halfway through a 2.5 gallon jug.....drinking enough water is not a problem for me....Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
i will be posting my measurements in a sec
05-08-2006, 02:17 PM
ok....my measurements are...hopefully accurate...really the first time im taking measurements seriously
biceps 18.2 left 18.5 right
Forearms 14.5 left 15 right
chest (measure from the highest point under my arms) 52.75
(Circumferance back and chest) front of chest only (armpit to armpit) 18.2
waist 45.75 (around my fat roll. i wear a 38..lol)
Thighs 29 left 28 right
Calves 19 left 19 right
05-08-2006, 06:20 PM
You're a big dude I would check your stats up with one of the calorie calcs that can be found here. I can post a link if you don't have one handy. I would be looking at starting at least 200 solid carbs a day and adjust from there. If you're looking for long term benefits that are healthy I would go this route first. Slow cardio is fine. Since you're not looking to actually cut but just lose weight. the important thing to remember is keeping your metabolism up and expending enough calories to off set your intake so that you're around 1.5-2.5 pounds a week weight loss. Eat often and stay active doing what ever it is you can do.
05-08-2006, 06:26 PM
05-08-2006, 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
thanks for the info.....im really looking to show some better definition...i hate it when i look in the mirror...and i can see an outline of the top of my abs....then get lower and have a big glob of crap around my waist....pisses me off.....im definitely an Endo.....hehe....i would love nothing more to get nice and defined...but i know its gonna take longer than just a month.....but one of my goals definetely with this cycle is to show some better definition....whats the point of fhaving muscles if ya cant see them...hehe...
05-08-2006, 10:52 PM
alright...its the end of day one.....and im exhausted.....few things i noticed.....
1. I sweat like a pig wearing a fur coat in the middle of the desert.....its crazy...but at least i know its working
2. After my weight training today...around 2pm...it felt like the venom HD kinda wore off....felt kind tired/relaxed with that feeling when you get tired in my muscles....im gonna see if it happens again tomorrow around the same time...if so...i will be putting a 2nd does of HD in the mix at around 11 or 12...give me the extra umf for the rest of the day
Did 1 hour of low intensity cardio around 6:30am...with raising resistance (eliptical)
Did 30 minutes of low Intesity cardio around 8pm
EDIT: Today was chest and shoulders
all in all i felt good....training was ok.....first day training in about 3 weeks....so..i was expecting a crappy day but i felt good most of the day....my appetite was still there...but somewhat curbed....i was hoping for a little bit more in this department....but...every little bit helps......
mood was great.....didnt get snippy or short with my gf at all today...which is a miracle...hehe
well...off to take my lean dreams and hit the hay.....
05-09-2006, 11:54 AM
With Vh3.0 you should dose it around 6-8am then again around 12-2pm that way you will get the best of it, without worrying about going to sleep. Have not tried the special tactics, but will incoparate these last 2 weeks. All in all it seems like it will be a success for you, as Michael and Kendra are great athletes and great people all around. Michael actually wrote a chapter in ALR's BTPB Naturally, and is a Natural pro. Anywhoo good luck with your system, and expect some LUCID weird dreams on Lean Dreams, def do not go to sleep with TV on!!!
Last edited by Apowerz6; 05-09-2006 at 12:56 PM.
05-09-2006, 12:42 PM
ok.....taking one pill last night of lean dreams....woke up a couple of times during the night....sweating most of them....but fell back to sleep pretty quickly...woke up this morning kinda groggy.....didnt feel totally rested...but...i read on other peoples logs that it make take a little while for you body to adjust to the lean dreams in order to get the great rest it is meant to give you....
did 45 minutes of cardio this morning.....hyperdrive is working ok....but im thinking maybe...if i add the extra doese to the afternoon liike i think im going to have to do...i maybe go to 2 caps in the morning after a week or so.....i guess im fairly resistant to this stimulant....i feel the effects....but i would like a little bit more of them....we will see..im still deciding on that fact. but im probably definetely going to dose a second pill around noon...since the effects seem to last about 8 hours for me.
Today is arms and back.....expecting another crappy workout do to that i am sore as hell from yesterday hehe(which is good in my opinion) and that i again havent worked out seriously in 3 weeks...so...this whole first week of working out is basically just an ease back into my workout routine.
05-09-2006, 12:58 PM
Well if you feel that you should dose 2 at one time the first week, I cannot tell you not too, but I will tell you, you will be stimulated, and be sweating worse than Whitney waiting for her fix. SO be prepared.
05-09-2006, 02:40 PM
well....like i said....im thinking i will dose one at 6am when i wake up...and one around 12....cause i dont think its lasting more than 8 hours for me....and im gonna go through this first week probably doing 1 at 6 1 at 12....and maybe bump it up next week to 2 at 6 and 1 at 12......im still deciding...thanks for the input though...i appreciate it....i like to learn new things, as much as i can, to keeps me from getting bored....and anything you guys, who are probably pro's or damn close to it and have been doing this probably way longer than i have been, can tell me and educate me about, the better off i am.Originally Posted by Apowerz6
05-09-2006, 11:46 PM
End day 2
Workout today was good...i like doing arms and back....energy dropped at around 2 again....so....i will be dosing a second hyperdrive at 12pm.....see how that goes for the rest of the week...then will decide to up dosage or not.....
didnt get to do cardio tonight....job kept me too long....so im just going to pop a lean dreams and head to bed in a bit....hopefully get some better sleep tonight
05-10-2006, 04:08 PM
Legs and Trunk day
did 45 min of cardio again this morning
woke up a few times at night again sweating....felt a little bit better this morning...but still a little groggy.
did leg raises and obliques on the dip station and legs on the eliptical at the highest resistance....fowards and backwards...and did some dips with dumbells in my hands....hard to do legs due to ankle injury.....sweated like a pig again......no cardio tonight because of work and probably wont get home until later........
started supplementing with another HD at noon...and feel MUCH better....no tiredness come 2pm like the first 2 days.....
the curb in appetite is still there...still wish it was a little bit more.
Diet: been keeping with the low carb diet.....lots of veggies....had some plain oatmeal this morning......been taking Optimum whey protein shakes mixed with skim milk after workouts(been switching between mixing water and skim milk.....skim milk after resistance training....water after cardio) Been eating a small high protein meal before working out (tuna salad, 6 whole eggs, broccoli and chicken...stuff liek that)
One question for anyone who has been on this stack...should i try taking the thyrogen-x with the HD first thing in the morning on an empty stomach before cardio...or just keep the thyrogen with the rest of the supps at breakfast???
05-11-2006, 08:51 AM
Last night was another fun night of waking up....went to bed around 11pm.....and woke up every hour on the hour....didnt really sweat that much...dont know if it is still do to the lean dreams or the 2nd does of HD i took at 12 yesterday...hmm....i guess we will see....other than that...woke up groggy again....
legs hurt today do to yesterdays leg workout..so only did 30 minutes of cardio this morning.....will be doing alot of outside work today (mowing the lawn ...weeding...etc) so hopefully i will burn some extra calories...also will be doing another 30 minute cardio session tonight (NO WORK...WOOHOO)
No weight training today...following a 3 on 1 off schedule...will be back at it tomorrow though,
Been noticing body composition changes already only being on this stuff 3 days.....Probably most of it is Subcutaneous Water (i think that is how you spell it) will weigh and measure myself at the end of every week.
This log kinda sucks cause i cant really log weight increase or anything of the sort..just rep increases...but i will start to post them this following block of workouts....since im broken in now...my workouts wont be so crappy. ill try to scrape together some money to invest in some heavier dumbells.
05-12-2006, 03:07 PM
Chest and shoulders
45 minutes cardio in the AM
exercise go as follows
(set1) 17 reps
(set2) 15 reps
(set3) 11 reps
(set1) 16 reps
(set2) 13 reps
(set3) 15 reps
Seated Shoulder Press (bowflex)
(set1) 12 reps@130lbs each side
(set2) 8 reps@135lbs each Side
(set3) 7 reps@140lbs each side
Bench Press (bowflex)
(set1) 12 reps@155lbs each side (max for bowflex)
(set2) 10 reps@155lbs each side
(set3) 10 reps@155lbs Each side
(set1) 25 reps@155lbs each side
(set2) 25 reps@155lbs each side
(set3) 25 reps@155lbs each side
Dumbell Fly's (35lb dumbells ...all i have atm)
(set1) 20 reps@35lbs
(set2) 18 reps@35lbs
(set3) 16 reps@35lbs
Front shoulder press/Lateral raise Combo (35lbs dumbells)
(set1) 10 reps@35lbs
(set2) 8 Reps@35lbs
(set3) 5 reps@35lbs
Most of the exercise were done as sloow as possble to make up for some of the minimal weight i have to work with. All workouts are done with 2 minute rest periods between each different exercise and 30 to 45 second rest in between each set to try and keep metabolism and heartrate elevated.
The reason i have (bowflex) like that is because i dont think that bowflex weight translates correctly. what i mean by that is...if i do say 75lbs per arm on the bowflex....i dont think it would be the same with free weights doing the same exercise...anyways...whatever the difference is....its a way to keep track of progress...
will not being doing cardio tonight due to work again...and i will be off sat and sunday from cardio also...those are my rest days from cardio (5 on 2 off)
As for the supps....Venom HD is still working....it very suttle....it creeps in and gives me energy and focus and creeps out with very little notice...but i can still tell it is working....im very tempted to take 2 in the morning one time and see how it feels....ill probably try it on monday. Lean dreams is.....still making me wake up during the night, but not as much....not really sweating that much from it anymore but im starting to feel a little more rested when the alarm does go off. might up the dosage to 2 to see how that effects me.
that should be it for now..... off to take a shower and relax before work.....later
05-12-2006, 09:50 PM
05-13-2006, 11:49 AM
Arms and back
workouts go as follow
Wide grip pullup
(set1) 10 reps
(set2) 10 reps
(set3) 8 Reps
(set1) 18 reps@155lbs each side
(set2) 16 reps@155lbs each side
(set3) 15 reps@155lbs Each side
Seated Lat Row (bowflex)
(set1) 20 reps@155lbs each side
(set2) 20 reps@155lbs each side
(set3) 20 reps@155lbs each side
Tricep Pushdown (bowflex)
(set1) 20 reps@155lbs each side
(set2) 19 reps@155lbs each side
(set3) 15 reps@155lbs each side
Lat pulldown close grip (bowflex)
(Set1) 20 reps @155lbs each side
(set2) 20 reps@155lbs each side
(set3) 20 reps@155lbs each side
E-Z curls slow w/negative
(Set1) 5 reps@100lbs +bar (15lbs??)
(set2) 4 reps@100lbs +bar
(set3) 4 reps@100lbs +bar
Hand grips medium resistance (forearms)
1 set: 15 reps
good workout today....one of my favs. the seat lat rows and the lat pulldowns were easy..and i stopped at 20 due to time restrictions...next set of days i will do as many as i can...
threw in a set of dips just because i like doing them and they work pretty much every upper body muscle in some way or another
i think thats about it for today..
05-14-2006, 01:11 PM
Abs and Legs
Hanging leg raises (dip station)
(set1) 35 reps
(set2) 27 reps
(set3) 30 reps
Hanging leg raises Obliques
(set1) 25 reps
(set2) 20 reps
(set3) 20 reps
(set1) 25 reps
(set2) 20 reps
(set3) 20 reps
Legs (eliptical with MAX resistance)
5 minutes Fwd Max resistance
5 minutes Backwards Max Resistance
Dumbell squats (35lb dumbells)
(set1) 15 reps
(set2) 14 reps
(set3) 12 reps
Today was my least favorite workouts......i hate doing legs and abs....just because i dont have the equipment that i want and because im pretty heavy..and holding my ass up on the dip station while trying to do leg raises KILLS me....very tiring....
Tomorrow i will be weighing in, and taking my BF%
i dont think i will take my measurements until the end of the cycle...but i will take my waist measurement every week along with the Bf% and weight
I will also be experimenting with dosage this week. I will try 2 caps monday morning of HD and 2 pills of lean dreams at night. ive been sleeping well the last 2 nights on 1 pill of lean dreams.. no waking up...no sweating..nothing....so i will try 2.
i will also be swapping the "Carlson Super DHA" with Biotest's "Flameout". It seems alot of people dont like Biotest but i have ran a few of their products in a stack and was pretty impresses with the results....but thats just my personal experiences. The dosage for the Flameout will be the same as the Super Dha....2 in the morning with breakfast....2 in the evening with dinner.
umm....for the most part.....im pretty satisfied with this stack...it seems that my body composition has changed a decent amount already....workouts (even the ones i hate) have been energetic and i have not lost drive in the middle of them like i used to do sometimes.....so obiously the HD is working....liek i said before.....right now it is very suttle.....in and out without notice....until you think back on it later on in the day and realize that you did have more energy than normal. would liek to up the dosage of the thyrogen-X also to 2 pills 2 time a day...but i dont know if i will have the funds to do so....if so..i will order it this week.
Well.....tomorrow is a new week...and i will see if the results are as good as i think they are... later
05-15-2006, 12:27 AM
05-15-2006, 10:46 AM
Weigh in and Waist measurement day
After one week...here are my results
Weight 265 (-10lbs!!!)
Waist: 44 1/2 (-1 1/4)
BF%: 15.5% (-3% about)
Im still not sure about the Digital Caliper.....i had my girlfriend do the measurement 3 times like i did with the first test i did....and one came out 22.1% and the other 2 came out at almost the same....like 15.5 and 16.1....so..i dont know...same thing happened with the first time.....first one came out like 24% and the other 2 came out at like 16.8 and 17.5......so i just said 18 to be safe....so..i dont know...its a 3 site caliper..not the greatest but it will due...but i do see results in just a week....not too shabby i might add....but i do think most of the 10lbs i lost was due to water weight...but i could be wrong....who knows....im thinking i will take my Full measurements every 2 weeks....so..next monday i will have my full stats again...and then one more time at the end of the cycle
Today i started my cardio back up after 2 days off....i took 2 venom HD this morning about 30 minutes before getting on the eliptical.....did notice a difference.....after an hour of walking....i didnt want to get off of the thing....but....i didnt want to overdue it. Im still thinking about upping the thyrogen to 4 a day....ive been looking in the other logs on the site and havent really seen anything about it,,,so i have nothing to sway my vote except for someone saying they didnt notice a difference. i think im going to try it....and see.
Like i said in my last post.....im switching out the super dha for Flameout
Im also going to up the dose of lean dreams tonight...and see how that work...
Will do another 30 minutes of cardio later this afternoon..
05-16-2006, 03:24 PM
Re: Finally Venom tri lean Cutting cycle log
45 minutes of cardio in the morning
Shoulders and chest
Today was a sh** day because yesterday i either jammed or sprained my wrist pretty good. and today i had little bouts of light headness. just came and gone...dont know if it was the supps...or maybe didnt eat enough this morning....dont know...i didnt have a before bed meal like i usually do..so that may be it also...anyways....workouts went as follows
(set1) 23 (+7 reps)
(set2) 17 (+4 reps)
(set3) 18 (+3 reps)
Seated Shoulder Press (bowflex)
(set1) 12 reps@140lbs each side (+10lbs)
(set2) 7 reps@145lbs each side (-1 rep +10lbs)
(set3) 8 reps@150lbs each side (+1 rep +10lbs)
Bench Press (bowflex)
(set1) 14 reps@155lbs each side (+2 reps)
(set2) 13 reps@155lbs each side (+3 reps)
(set3) 10 reps@155lbs each side (unchanged)
(set1) 30 reps@155lbs each side (+5 reps)
(set2) 30 reps@155lbs each side (+5 reps)
(set3) 30 reps@155lbs each side (+5 reps)
Front shoulder press/lateral raise combo (35lb dumbells)
(set1) 7 reps@35lbs each (-3 reps)
(set2) 5 reps@35lbs each (-3 reps)
(set3) 5 reps@35lbs each (unchanged)
Although i did excell in most of the exercise ......my wrist definetely hindered my performance today....it hurt like hell....
Dips were assisted by a built on seat with rubber resistance bands....(never thought i would use this feature) it came in handy ....if i didnt have that help...i couldnt have done even 1 dip. but at least i did some with help instead of none at all.
i got lucky on pushups....found a fairly comfortable position for my hands to take some of the pain out of my wrist and was able to do a decent amount.
All in all....was a good day of working out . Wooziness wasnt a problem during workout...felt a little weak at beginning but kinda leveled out halfway through. I really hope this wrist injury is a short lived thing.....im just gonna keep icing it and hope for the best.
05-17-2006, 09:44 AM
No supps.....no exercise.....no food so far...........i was up all last night with what i think was food poisoning......puking and crappying all night.....went to bed at 11:30pm....finally fell asleep around 3:30am after many puking and crappy bouts.....woke up around 5:30ish and been up pretty much ever since, so...it was a wonderful way to end the day....
As of right now....everything is weak.....my legs are jello....i really cant eat anything and therefore im not going to take the chance of taking my supps...and puking them up (im sure fish oil aint that great coming back up)....trying to slowly consume water.....tell ya what.....food poisoning really Fooks you up......even walking around is a chore....way more effort used than needed.....feels like i just walked a flight of stairs just walking across the living room.....its insane...so im just going to take it easy today...and try and put something in my stomach.....maybe some oatmeal.....
on a good point...i must have puked and crapped about 5 pounds off of me LOL. hopefully things are back to normal tomorrow.
05-17-2006, 05:58 PM
05-17-2006, 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by HeIsLegend
thanks boss.....slept on and off today.....feel alot better....still havent eaten anything....gonna try and eat in a little while. still am fatigued.....but that could be due to no food.
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