[SprtNvolcoM]

Date: 02/22/06, Thursday (Day 18 -- 1Day Post DNP)

Starting Weight: 192.8lbs (Morning Weigh)
Current Weight: 183.4lbs
Total Loss 9.4lbs ... up from 10.4 (water retention)
BF% Unknown (15%-ish @ start)

Supplimints:
- Lipoderm-Ultra: 2x daily (morning & evening after cap-hp application)
- Capzasin-HP: 2x daily (morning & evenings)

Others:
- Multi Vitamin
- Vitamin B12
- Vitamin E
- Vitamin C
- Cranberry
- Milk Thistle
- Garlic
- Fish Oil
- Selenium
- Chromium
- Pyruvate

Diet:
Low carbed it today. Well, not so much ... but later on in the evening I cut them out.

Training:
Quick run through; full body. Maybe ... I don't know If I'm feeling up to it. I figure if I don't though, that I wont go tomorrow (Friday) either. Euuuuuuuh...

Personal Note:
Woke up early and inhaled a protein shake, ran to work, and fought back the chunks ... I felt like **** all morning. Everyone kept asking me if I was alright. I honestly cant say what was wrong, it passed though.

As far as appetite goes, I don't feel any different. My diet hasn't changed, & I'm still eating 5-6 meals a day. I figure as long as I keep up this routine, I wont notice a difference in appetite and/or cravings.

We'll see how my strength is if I decided to hit the gym.

Everything else feels the same ...
No different from before I started, when I got on, or now that I'm off.

Thanks:
Sprt

[Schwaugher]

Originally Posted by ryano

What kind of rebound fat gain can be expected with DNP?

What is median fat gain that most people have reported?

By Kingofmasters on AR

The weight loss is said to be semi-permanent and here why:

DNP is so dangerous, because it doesn't involve in a feedback system
(meaning if there is to much present in the blood there is no way the body can combat that).
Also it is non-hormonal
(hormonal systems always have a feedback-mechanism).

This means that it doesn't affect your body's "setpoint"
(which is what your body thinks is your "healthy" weight and thus always wants to return to that point).

Some mechanisms in the "setpoint" are still unknown but it mostly has to do with dopamine/adrenaline and the various Neuropeptides
(especially B, K and Y that all regulate appetite).

The "setpoint" is best adjusted if weightloss is as gradually as possible
(phentermine users always get the yo-yo effect meaning all the lost weight
+ some new fat comes back after discontinuance; not only because fat is lost so rapidly but mainly because it affects all those "setpoint" features and after discontinuance they will try to regain homeostasis!).

DNP has no (significant) role in manipulating the "setpoint"
(meaning your body will not feel the urge to gain some weight after discontinuance).
Also it competes with T3, meaning after you stop DNP, T3 will peak
(instead of like with most diets; will be on low)
couple that with the fact that it is not catabolic
(actually a bit anti-catabolic for that matter) so your BMR stays
rougly the same after the DNP-cycle.

And the conclusion confirms the reality -->
Fat loss induced by DNP is not likely to come back for a significant part!

NOTE: empirical evidence (observations, experiences, etc.) seems to suggest that people doing longer-lower dosed cycles have an easier time keeping the weight off than short-high dosed cycles.

EDIT: http://www.ironbodybuilding.com/foru...showtopic=9296

[SprtNvolcoM]

Originally Posted by Schwaugher

By Kingofmasters on AR

The weight loss is said to be semi-permanent and here why:

DNP is so dangerous, because it doesn't involve in a feedback system
(meaning if there is to much present in the blood there is no way the body can combat that).
Also it is non-hormonal
(hormonal systems always have a feedback-mechanism).

This means that it doesn't affect your body's "setpoint"
(which is what your body thinks is your "healthy" weight and thus always wants to return to that point).

Some mechanisms in the "setpoint" are still unknown but it mostly has to do with dopamine/adrenaline and the various Neuropeptides
(especially B, K and Y that all regulate appetite).

The "setpoint" is best adjusted if weightloss is as gradually as possible
(phentermine users always get the yo-yo effect meaning all the lost weight
+ some new fat comes back after discontinuance; not only because fat is lost so rapidly but mainly because it affects all those "setpoint" features and after discontinuance they will try to regain homeostasis!).

DNP has no (significant) role in manipulating the "setpoint"
(meaning your body will not feel the urge to gain some weight after discontinuance).
Also it competes with T3, meaning after you stop DNP, T3 will peak
(instead of like with most diets; will be on low)
couple that with the fact that it is not catabolic
(actually a bit anti-catabolic for that matter) so your BMR stays
rougly the same after the DNP-cycle.

And the conclusion confirms the reality -->
Fat loss induced by DNP is not likely to come back for a significant part!

NOTE: empirical evidence (observations, experiences, etc.) seems to suggest that people doing longer-lower dosed cycles have an easier time keeping the weight off than short-high dosed cycles.

That is absolutly beautiful!!!!
I'm going to share this with the other boards I have kept a log with. i hope you dont mind.

[Schwaugher]

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

That is absolutly beautiful!!!!
I'm going to share this with the other boards I have kept a log with. i hope you dont mind.

This is already posted on a bunch of other boards. Just google some of the phases with quotes and you'll see...its a section of a much larger post done a long time ago.

This one is from
http://www.ironbodybuilding.com/foru...showtopic=9296

Posted by SV-1, if you can find a site that doesn't have a threat like that then go ahead and post it, just as long as you give credit to Kingofmasters from AR, i don't see a problem.

[ryano]

Thanks for the info ... I will be hitting up D in a couple of weeks..

[SprtNvolcoM]

Originally Posted by ryano

Thanks for the info ... I will be hitting up D in a couple of weeks..

D is the man!!

[SprtNvolcoM]

UPDATE UPDATE:
Date: 02/22/06, Firday (Day 10 -- 2 Days Post DNP)
Starting Weight: 192.8lbs (Morning Weigh)
Current Weight: 181.4lbs
Total Loss: 11.4lbs

Personal note:
I seen to be dropping water weight. I lost 2lbs since last weigh in. I'm eger to see what tmorrow mornings weigh in brings.

Thanks,
Sprt

[ryano]

YGM

[unitas27]

Sport, what are your thoughts on doing DNP every other day @400mg vs daily dosing?

Also, Congrats on the results. Besides actual weight loss, do you notice the effects elsewhere such as pants looser, less visible abdominal fat, lovehandles etc?? Thanks.

[SprtNvolcoM]

Originally Posted by unitas27

Sport, what are your thoughts on doing DNP every other day @400mg vs daily dosing?

Also, Congrats on the results. Besides actual weight loss, do you notice the effects elsewhere such as pants looser, less visible abdominal fat, lovehandles etc?? Thanks.

I'm glad you aske, I was thinking about this earlier today....

I have actually had to notch out another whole in my belt. That being said, however, I still find that i have the tire look going on (i.e., love handles and lower abdominals). I lost 1.5inches around the waist though. You'll see what I'm talking about when I post my before and after pictures. For some reason, I seem to store 80% of my fat in my hips and lower abs. I dont know why, but it drives me crazy. I havent had a 6pak in 6yrs; which is why I'm on a mission to rid myself of as much BF as possible.

I have started to also notice more vascularity. I usually only see certin viens when I cycle (which is weird I know), but I am noticing them now after the DNP cycle. I would say, for this reason, it does improve ascularity.

Over all, I liked what it did for me ... but as I have mentioned I am no where near finished with this war. I still have a long way to go.

[unitas27]

Thanks for the info Sport. Sounds like DNP is promising. Your log was really interesting.

I actually plan on starting a DNP cycle sometime in the next week or so assuming I get my product from my overseas "friend".

My other question is, have any of your friends noticed the weight loss?

[SprtNvolcoM]

Originally Posted by unitas27

Thanks for the info Sport. Sounds like DNP is promising. Your log was really interesting.

I actually plan on starting a DNP cycle sometime in the next week or so assuming I get my product from my overseas "friend".

My other question is, have any of your friends noticed the weight loss?

My friends HAVE noticed, unfortunately. They make fun of me. I havent been this light in a while. hoovering around 181lbs 182lbs. They keeps calling me smalls and tiny. lol, I dont mind it though. I must stay the course.

Hopefully your international friend helps you with your DNP. I would find a domestic source though.

Best of luck,
Sprt

[unitas27]

Sport, you have e-mail

[SprtNvolcoM]

Date: 02/26/06, Sunday (Day 21 -- 4 days in post DNP)

Starting Weight: 192.8lbs (Morning Weigh)
Current Weight: 183.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
Total Loss 9.8lbs!!! (steadily climbing up in weight)
BF% Unknown (15%-ish @ start)

Suppliments:
- Multi Vitamin
- Vitamin B12
- Vitamin E
- Vitamin C
- Cranberry
- Garlic
- Fish Oil
- Selenium
- Chromium
- Pyruvate
- CLA

Diet:
Still right on target. I haven't fallen off track or eaten outside my meal plan/diet as of yet. i did, however, have a business dinner last with my future boss (I got the job); in which I ate grilled chicken, rice pilaf, and green beans w/ two glasses lemon water. lol, So even when out to eat i stick to a pretty clean plate. :0) I haven't noticed anything in terms of hunger or carb cravings, as some of mentioned I will. I'm actually pretty proud of myself. I'm doing well, & it isn't hell (as most diets are or turn out to be).

Training:
Strength is coming back, as is endurance, I noticed. I'm still not balls tot he wall with intensity, but I have noticed that I don't struggle as much through my workouts like I was once doing (on cycle). I don't feel sick, light headed, dizzy, or any such side effects as I did when I was on DNP during my workouts. Things seem to be returning to normal.

One thing I have noticed if a fuller look to my muscles; whereas before, due to the DNP, they looked a lot flatter. I noticed it mostly in my arms; only because there the muscle I most often see when performing any sort of activity.

I don't know if I mentioned either that vascularity in some areas as improved as well. Although, I wouldn't say I was a very vascular person to begin with. Usually, when on cycle (AAS) I lean out naturally and become vascular; especially in my arms. I noticed some of these areas now, without using AAS or being on cycle.

Still don't have a 6pak and I know I'm no where near 10% yet, which are two goals of mine, but I'm going to get there. I have a looooong road ahead of me still. Fortunately, i still have several tricks up my sleeves. :0) I'm going to pull out all the stops over the course of the next few weeks (i.e., diet is going to get even tighter, carb cycling will begin, clen or albuterol will be introduced on my off time from DNP, several DNP cycles have already been planned and scheduled, cardio and WO routine is being fine tuned).

Personal Note:
I wouldn't call the first cycle a success, but I wouldn't call it a failure either. It was, for me, a test and personal learning experience. I wanted to see exactly how DNP would effect me before I started pushing the envelope. These next few cycles will be much more intense now that I know what to look forward to. I'm glad I started out slow and listened to my body. I would still be going at it blind had I not, and went all out on my first cycle (which would have been a stupid newbie mistake).

The next cycle will look as follows:
Day 1-7: 400mg ED
Day 7-14: 600mg ED

If I cant handle 600mg ED I will lower dose back to 400mg and run it straight out like that for 25 to 30days; like so: Day 1-25: 400mg ED. I'm confident, however, that I will be able to handle 600mg. 400mg was no different for me than 200mg during the first cycle. Again though, it will be trial and error. I cant ever see myself going over 600mg.

As soon as I take my after pictures, which will be this Wednesday, I will start the Lipoderm-Ultra and Cap-HP again. That way I have a little jump on the next DNP cycle which will start the following Monday. Reason for stopping int he first place was because of the fact that Lipo sometimes make the area you apply hold water. I wanted to take as accurate pictures as possible. I also still have the Lipo/Clen mixture on hand as well. I'll have to figure out when to through that back into the mix as well. I might do a 1wk on/1wk off alternation with the Lipo/Cap-HP and lipo/Clen, that way when I end my second DNP cycle I will be better able to judge whether or not an oral Albuterol or Clen cycle can take place, if at all; it might not be necessary.

I've used Clen a number of times with decent results, but the sides are what concern me; especially the side clen plays with on your heart. I have never tried albuterol though. I hear there is almost zero sides and users are reporting just similar results to using clen; although they will tell you clen is still superior. Naturally I'm curious, and will most likely go with the albuterol in between my second and third DNP. I'll play it by ear.

I don't plan to bulk again until this winter. Right now, I want to get my BF under control and meet my two current goals. Once I have accomplished this, I will move on to the next step; that being a massive bulk cycle (AAS). Who is really to say. I'm sure a lot will change before that time.

Let me know what you think,
Sprt

[ryano]

My email account says its inactive...I just started it...pfbbt!! So I did no get your reply ...

[unitas27]

Sport, you should try Ergopharm(Giant nutrition) Liposolv instead of Lipoderm and add some clen to the bottle.

Also (and its just a theory) add some SAN Blaze or Lean extreme to your next DNP cycle to combat cortisol. With all the stress your body is under during a DNP cycle, I bet it would be great at combating cortisol and your bodies abdominal and lovehandle area should lean out better as a result.