Training while fasting

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  1. Training while fasting


    I see this being a debate but letís go. I can only workout in the morning most days of the week and I prefer it. Iím doing intermittent fasting and my window of eating is from 12-8. My workout is usually 6-730 in the morning. AM I ****ING MYSELF WITH HEAVY STRENGTH TRAINING WHILE FASTED?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    I see this being a debate but letís go. I can only workout in the morning most days of the week and I prefer it. Iím doing intermittent fasting and my window of eating is from 12-8. My workout is usually 6-730 in the morning. AM I ****ING MYSELF WITH HEAVY STRENGTH TRAINING WHILE FASTED?
    Depends on your goals, your body type and a myriad of other things. Make sure you hydrate properly. Try it for a while and see what difference it makes to you. If you feel okay, don't get ill and still make gains then why not carry on. Personally I wouldn't train on a fasted body, but, that's me. I want to gain weight so it's all different
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AntSoldier View Post
    Depends on your goals, your body type and a myriad of other things. Make sure you hydrate properly. Try it for a while and see what difference it makes to you. If you feel okay, don't get ill and still make gains then why not carry on. Personally I wouldn't train on a fasted body, but, that's me. I want to gain weight so it's all different
    Initially the plan was to do this as a mini cut for 30 days. I was bulking but Iím going on vaca and decided to cut up as much as possible. I like IF and would like to keep it incorporated but I want to figure out if itís counter productive to train the way I am. One side says you are depleting glycogen and then you are catabolic so youíre ****ed if you donít eat immediately and the other side says as long as you get your calories at some point youíre okay. Google is ****ed when it comes to this topic.

  4. As I understand it you need an amount of protein within a couple of hours of training. Before or after. The rest you need within that 24hr period. Look up Jeff Nippard on YouTube and he has a couple of videos on when to eat what and at least one on intermittent fasting. He basically says it's only good if you can get all the macro nutrients and all the calories you need in the short amount of time you allow yourself to eat. If you can't get enough in, in that time then don't try.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AntSoldier View Post
    As I understand it you need an amount of protein within a couple of hours of training. Before or after. The rest you need within that 24hr period. Look up Jeff Nippard on YouTube and he has a couple of videos on when to eat what and at least one on intermittent fasting. He basically says it's only good if you can get all the macro nutrients and all the calories you need in the short amount of time you allow yourself to eat. If you can't get enough in, in that time then don't try.
    Thatís one side of the story like I said. The people that say donít even go for it unless you can eat before and after. The anabolic window has been being dismissed more and more and itís backed by science so Iím not exactly sold on that thinking.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    Thatís one side of the story like I said. The people that say donít even go for it unless you can eat before and after. The anabolic window has been being dismissed more and more and itís backed by science so Iím not exactly sold on that thinking.
    Try a protein shake after training then and stick to the rest of the plan. A lean shake like whey only would be fine and you could have all your calories in your eating window

  7. Quote Originally Posted by AntSoldier View Post
    Try a protein shake after training then and stick to the rest of the plan. A lean shake like whey only would be fine and you could have all your calories in your eating window
    Yeah something like iso 100 would be the best option yet that will still break the fast. That might be an option but still like I said that goes with one side of thinking on it. I want to hear the other side of the story.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    Yeah something like iso 100 would be the best option yet that will still break the fast. That might be an option but still like I said that goes with one side of thinking on it. I want to hear the other side of the story.
    https://youtu.be/Q1sfiDIPzHU

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AntSoldier View Post
    Correct me if Iím wrong but the only back to having to eat around a workout is when they mention lean gainz and training being based around the food window.

  10. Not sure what you mean by back?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by AntSoldier View Post
    Not sure what you mean by back?
    The only supported evidence that you shouldnít train in the morning during the fasted period

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    The only supported evidence that you shouldnít train in the morning during the fasted period
    Dont think anyone is saying you shouldnt train whilst fasting. I know a few bodybuilders that train whilst fasted. But I don't think you can leave it hours and hours after before you eat. I think you should train fasted and eat within fourish hours of that training as a maximum. Preferably two

  13. I do recall reading that timing protein near training is more important in more experienced trainees vs. newbies. Iíd definitely try to get some protein in after training. Why donít you just adjust your eating window closer to your training time?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyk1 View Post
    I do recall reading that timing protein near training is more important in more experienced trainees vs. newbies. Iíd definitely try to get some protein in after training. Why donít you just adjust your eating window closer to your training time?
    Thatís probably what Iím going to do I just train so early that it makes it kind of suck that I would have to stop eating at like 5 at night lol
  15. Training while fasting


    I lost 21Lbs in 23 days using intermittent fasting,calorie Deficit, and calorie Surplus.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BEAST73 View Post
    I lost 21Lbs in 23 days using intermittent fasting,calorie Deficit, and calorie Surplus.
    Thatís ****ing fantastic.. what do you mean both deficit and surplus? Like you went 50/50?
  17. Training while fasting


    The day before weight training,I increase calories by 500-1000. The next day depends on training,I would go in calorie Deficit. On Friday at noontime,I would run the intermittent fasting until Sunday. No alcohol,Sodas and Coffee.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by BEAST73 View Post
    The day before weight training,I increase calories by 500-1000. The next day depends on training,I would go in calorie Deficit. On Friday at noontime,I would run the intermittent fasting until Sunday. No alcohol,Sodas and Coffee.
    Honestly I donít know if I could go the whole weekend no food lol

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    Thatís probably what Iím going to do I just train so early that it makes it kind of suck that I would have to stop eating at like 5 at night lol
    Yeah I understand. I work out at 4am right now. I used to follow something of an intermittent fasting type of schedule, but it isnít working with my new job.

  20. I think itís a mistake to generalize because everyone is different.

    When I am going to lift heavy early in the AM (very infrequently), I load up with carbs, fatty acids, and protein the night before.

    At age 61, Iím a more of a hard gainer than I was at age 21 and donít want to go catabolic.

    There are genetic markers for hard gainers, but the research is preliminary. Interestingly, these two studies showed differences among women, but not men.

    https://www.physiology.org/doi/abs/1...iol.01139.2004

    https://www.physiology.org/doi/abs/1...iol.90835.2008

    I believe there is also research showing that weight lifters who work out in the late afternoon and early evening experience more gains than morning lifters. But I canít remember where I read that.

    Bottom line: I understand you are cutting. You know your body better than anyone. If you think you are keeping your muscle gains with intermittent fasting and morning workouts, donít make any changes. If not, eat at least 40 g of carbs, 10 g of fats, and 40 g of protein the night before.

    IMHO, it always makes sense to do the same 40/10/40 after your workout if you want to mitigate catabolismófasted or not.

    Good luck!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    I see this being a debate but let’s go. I can only workout in the morning most days of the week and I prefer it. I’m doing intermittent fasting and my window of eating is from 12-8. My workout is usually 6-730 in the morning. AM I ****ING MYSELF WITH HEAVY STRENGTH TRAINING WHILE FASTED?
    You're fine. Plenty of people do this and do well with it. As long as you're getting your daily calories and protein, you are good to go.

    Is there any specific reason why you are following IF? If you are doing it expecting a miracle, but concerned about not eating after your training, then just eat after your training. IF isn't going to produce any more benefits than a diet eating throughout the day.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    You're fine. Plenty of people do this and do well with it. As long as you're getting your daily calories and protein, you are good to go.

    Is there any specific reason why you are following IF? If you are doing it expecting a miracle, but concerned about not eating after your training, then just eat after your training. IF isn't going to produce any more benefits than a diet eating throughout the day.
    Yeah Iím doing it for rapid weight loss. I bulked for two months, put on fat, cutting for a month now, and will recommence bulking after my vacation beginning of November. Iím pretty much looking to get a 3% swing in body fat and in a week and a half of IF and a deficit of 400 cals Iím half way there. I contribute a good part of that to IF cause I have been at this same deficit before alone with the same routine Iím doing and havenít dropped this quickly.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    You're fine. Plenty of people do this and do well with it. As long as you're getting your daily calories and protein, you are good to go.

    Is there any specific reason why you are following IF? If you are doing it expecting a miracle, but concerned about not eating after your training, then just eat after your training. IF isn't going to produce any more benefits than a diet eating throughout the day.
    Also when you IF the longer you stay fasted the better the results so if I break it after training at 730 am then Iím not getting as much out of it. That was the whole premise of my post.

  24. I like to take carbs to 100gr a day and just eat omega 3 fats and protein the rest. I find this to be very easy to deal with mentally and it also give results with some cardio and gym. Having hour not eating doesn't feel good mentally and I also feel it affects the workouts and its harder to control muscle waste

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Imsaint View Post
    Also when you IF the longer you stay fasted the better the results so if I break it after training at 730 am then I’m not getting as much out of it. That was the whole premise of my post.
    You can lose the same amount of weight/fat without fasting.
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